I think I know some basic reasons....but I'm appealing to all of you who've read the books, newsclippings and heard the interviews etc.... (or know first hand).

Also, not being a guitar expert/player.....point us to examples of his playing. Ex. Can't You Hear Me Knocking etc... How was his style unique?

This thread is for you Mick Taylor fans!

to start his own band...PLAY BRUSSEL AFFAIR!

OR STICKY FINGERS,EXILE, GOAT HEAD, IORR......

This is bound to turn into a Ronnie Wood thread...

I have a Mick Tailor.



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Hey...c'mon. I thought I'd throw you Mick Taylor fans a bone.

An open-ended question for the passionate Mick Taylor fans.

Was it simply about NOT getting writing credit & his heroin addiction?
Were there personality conflicts? Did he think the Stones would eventually self-destruct anyway (due to drugs)? Has he ever said he regrets it?

Or...was he forced out by M&K?



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Mick J said "Geh Ouh! Ahm alergic ta feathas!"

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1.) To join the Jack Bruce Band and stretch out musically and, ideally, be recognized as the Greatest Thing Since Eric Clapton.

2.) To avoid succumbing to heroin addiction and dying way too young and being recognized as the Saddest Casualty Since Brian Jones.

3.) To receive recognition (i.e. songwriting credits and royalties) for what he honestly believed were his musical contributions and avoid being, well, Brian Jones.

4.) To avoid feeling like a third wheel with Ronnie Wood hanging out, playing, and writing with his bandmates with increasing regularity.

Please note these are my opinions based on what I've read. I am not Mick Taylor nor have I ever had a conversation with Mick Taylor. I do however revere him as a bloody fantastic guitarist and rock's equivalent of McClean Stevenson.

He left because of his ego!

His ego? He doesn't seem to have a size large ego...

(I'm open here, come on...)

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SNC - We may see some new theories, but here's some of what was bantered about a little while ago too.


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jamesfdouglas Wrote:
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> His ego? He doesn't seem to have a size large
> ego...
>
> (I'm open here, come on...)

There's some quote by Keith where he mentions Mick thinking he was either a player or producer of great stature or something like that!?

That was a set-up for a fat joke.

Anyways, yes, Charlie says he's "still waiting" for a good record from him.

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he didn't feel his contributions were appreciated or acknowledged... Keith was always raggin' on him for being a "lead" guitar player... I think he had hurt feelings that just built up... that, and he thought the group were a bunch of f ups and he was better than that...

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And the queen is bravely shouting,
"What the hell is going on?"

i agree with james post re: ego...
that he dosen't have an overwhelming ego,

as much as i can guess as an outsider looking in; his public comments have always been sweet, calm and respectful. he has never cheaped out and gone for a ghost-book or other sure ways of cheaply cashing in on his mighty mighty legacy as a Rolling Stone.

he talks easy and openly and postively about his experiences when in interview, never trash-talks.

I also apperciate rockydijon's most excellent post, that about said it all and real succint...tho i would question only #4.
(well, aspects of it...point well taken if taylor was jealous, upset or pissed about the recording of iorr...hmmm..interesting...
but keno credits mick taylor as one of the guitarists on that recording as well, and, by his reckoning anyway, it's a "jagger/richards" composition, tho i had thought ron got a piece of that...someone help me here.)

as i understand it, mickt and ronnie were basically childhood friends, (pre-birds)...
taylor claims to have always seen ronnie as his replacement when he knew he wanted to leave, and to have actively facilitated the glims relationship with ron, whom taylor had already known closely;

i don't think he was 'forced out'; i think his band-mates were sorry, sometimes angry, to see him go his own way.
he's been quoted as to having actively facilitated the glims relationship with ron...and i've seen some corroborating quotes from mickj on this as well...i'll try to find the exact quote and post later but something casually along the lines of 'mick brought us over to see ron' about this or that event or meeting or show or quasi social get together...

of course i wasn't there, and i believe ron was really excited about working with keith, his 'dream job' to be a stone; i think there's truth in that...
...but i also don't see ron, tho i may be naieve, as snaky or trying to faciliate maneuvering his friend mick taylor OUT...ron was already a world class star with two seminal and groundbreaking bands, and i dont' think perceived to be insecure...history shows us rod wanted to keep him, and they are mates who did well together on so many rod solo albums too...and do occasionally get together...
a leetle more spice for the goats head soup here...



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Keith kept the shepard's pie to himself.

Beelyboy Wrote:
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> ...but i also don't see ron, tho i may be naieve,
> as snaky or trying to faciliate maneuvering his
> friend mick taylor OUT...ron was already a world
> class star with two seminal and groundbreaking
> bands, and i dont' think perceived to be
> insecure...history shows us rod wanted to keep
> him, and they are mates who did well together on
> so many rod solo albums too...and do occasionally
> get together...
> a leetle more spice for the goats head soup
> here...



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In the current issue of Guitar World, a Rolling Stones special issue, one of the interviews is with Ron. I haven't read them all yet, but there are 5 or 6 reprinted interviews, mostly with Keith. Anyhow, in Ron's, he claims that his manager got a call when Brian died inquiring as to his interest in the job but his manager said he was happy where he was. He found out years later.

I don't know if he's embellishing though. He also said something like he had to wait 6 years, but he finally got his dream job.

Could it be that Taylors' leaving the Stones was just musically motivated? How many times had he played Brown Sugar, Tumbling Dice, Street Fighting Man, etc? What was there left to explore for him musically? If the stones had taken some new musical directions things could have become interesting, but after Exile there was Goats Head Soup, which is inferior to Exile, and It's only rock 'n' roll, which is even worse. There wasn't much of a challenge anymore for him ...

Thanks for info....

Any evidence (quotes etc...) that Keith felt threatened at all?
If not...kudos to Keith for "hiring" other great guitarists that might offer something new and different. Just one more thing that makes Keith great.

Has Mick Taylor ever given any extensive interviews about his experience with the Stones. Did he have to fight to get his bits included? I'd even love to read a similar interview with Ronnie.

Rightly or wrongly I've always gotten the sense that everyone had to play by Keith's rules. (..just speculation after seeing Keith in "Hail Hail" Chuck Berry)
I imagine lots of squabbling but with hugs from Keith in the end...a brotherly love sort of thing.

Didn't Mick Jagger sleep with Rose Taylor?

I've always picked up on these things;

1) Writing Credits - Jagger was including Taylor more & more as time when on,
it's been documented on numerous songs where Keith never made a appearance in
the studio for certian songs, just Taylor & Jagger and Taylor received NO
credit..

2) Taylor was bored with the same stuff they were playing, he made the comment:
1 & 1/2 hour Stones show's seemed to go on forever, but his 2 hour Jack Bruce
band gigs seems short, he loved playing with J. Bruce. Too bad Bruce was such
a A-Hole and screwed-up that gig.

3) Taylor thought Keith couldn't last much longer with his drug intake. And he
felt, No Keith - No Stones so it's best to eject when he did.

His wife at the time was giving him a earfull about how he was not appreciated
by the Glimmers, add it all up and that's why he left..

But it's been 32 years now, isn't it about time (Jagger/Richards) to re-live
those GOLDEN Years and invite Taylor back for one SPECIAL NIGHT???

MLC

WMiller Wrote:
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> Beelyboy Wrote:
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> -----
>
> > ...but i also don't see ron, tho i may be
> naieve,
> > as snaky or trying to faciliate maneuvering his
> > friend mick taylor OUT...ron was already a
> world
> > class star with two seminal and groundbreaking
> > bands, and i dont' think perceived to be
> > insecure...history shows us rod wanted to keep
> > him, and they are mates who did well together
> on
> > so many rod solo albums too...and do
> occasionally
> > get together...
> > a leetle more spice for the goats head soup
> > here...
>
>
>
> [www.guitarworld.com]
> l
>
> In the current issue of Guitar World, a Rolling
> Stones special issue, one of the interviews is
> with Ron. I haven't read them all yet, but there
> are 5 or 6 reprinted interviews, mostly with
> Keith. Anyhow, in Ron's, he claims that his
> manager got a call when Brian died inquiring as to
> his interest in the job but his manager said he
> was happy where he was. He found out years
> later.
>
> I don't know if he's embellishing though. He also
> said something like he had to wait 6 years, but he
> finally got his dream job.


well if that's a true story; it's probably not nice of his management...
then again...we had it all...
there would have been no faces; no ron participation in the absolutely groundbreaking 'truth' and 'beck-ola' albums...
these catalogs are among the most precious and important in rock history imo.

and i could not at this point, and would not ever want to try, to imagine the Stones without the guy who keith was so overwhelmed by to say 'he plays like an angel'...
i mean i totally adore the brian years up to and including beggars, and also, of course, lib w/ brian gone...but the taylor years were the years the stones became immortal on somehow an even higher level..."live with me" the first track with taylor i believe...shows the beast roaring up pretty wild; ephiphanies abound...thems pretty high ethers, ya-ya's, sf, eoms...and i enjoyed ghs and iorr too, still do, even tho if you have to make comparisons, they are not as impactful as the previous few albums.
cool thread and i am enjoying the posts ty all...
taylor was as essential a foundational leg as any of the others...any of them...right from the basic track riffs and rhythms on up. nicky, stu, taylor price and keys and jagger/richards/wyman/watts wow. best show i ever saw in my life; not one doubt.
i'm a ron fan too.



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When he left, the band had released two terrible lps in a row. It would'nt be unreasonable for him to believe they were finished creatively. Most bands never come back after their initial run. Maybe it was strictly a musical desicion.

...also...this was at a time when no one could really imagine bandmembers playing rock n roll at the age of 35 ....40....45....50....55....60....65......

he probably thought the end of the stones was in sight......and he (as ronnie would say) had his own album to do....so to speak.

he rejoined the stones on stage once right? 81?
what are the details?

thanks again for the info.

To see the world?

Q - There are two stories going around about why you left the Stones...because of songwriting credit, or because you had a problem with you septum.

A - That's complete rubbish. It's not rubbish to say that I was a bit peeved about not getting credit for a couple of songs, but that wasn't the whole reason. I guess I just felt like I had enough. I decided to leave and start a group with Jack Bruce. I never really felt, and I don't know why, but I never felt I was gonna stay with the Stones forever, even right from the beginning.

-Gary James' Interview With Mick Taylor

why do people here never believe Taylor on why he left the band?

keithfan64 Wrote:
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> When he left, the band had released two terrible
> lps in a row. It would'nt be unreasonable for him
> to believe they were finished creatively. Most
> bands never come back after their initial run.
> Maybe it was strictly a musical desicion.


GHS is not a terrible album. What the hell are you talking about?

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jamesfdouglas Wrote:
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> keithfan64 Wrote:
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> > When he left, the band had released two
> terrible
> > lps in a row. It would'nt be unreasonable for
> him
> > to believe they were finished creatively. Most
> > bands never come back after their initial run.
> > Maybe it was strictly a musical desicion.
>
>
> GHS is not a terrible album. What the hell are you
> talking about?

compared to most albums I agree with you but compared to the other Stones albums Taylor worked on prior ,it was.



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Compare shmompare.

GHS album is great. I don't get how people who say they love the Stones knock this album. It's has stood the test of time. It's more interesting, varied and dynamic to me than Some Girls.

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jamesfdouglas Wrote:
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It's more interesting,
> varied and dynamic to me than Some Girls.

Wow! to each their own but I could not disagree more. Some Girls was a masterpiece that in way was a rebirth, I know it brought in a whole new generation of fans.