Just wondering how many overdubs this Beacon DVD will have ?
I'm holding a book with a Stones mate of mine and our book is:

1000 overdubs: 1/1
900 : 5/4
500 : 6/4
400 : 7/4
100 : 9/4
50 : 2/1
10 : 100/1
1 : 1000/1
0 : 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000/1

Any punters out there?

I'd like to hear your thoughts?

Luke.

the DVD (or rather the movie) isnt going to be of just the Beacon show, so the small amount of material actually released from the 2 shows may not necessitate much in the way of overdubbing

so does that mean you'll be taking the juicy odds of 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000/1 ?

hey one year left and start complaining now!!??? lol

unbelievable, having a go about a project that has only just been filmed!

Loads.

Just like all the other live releases down the years.

So what ?

Bloopers and sound problems at a live concert are gone in a split second and hardly detract from the experience at all. Listening to them repeatedly via recorded media is a different matter. What the hell is wrong with making the show and the product sound as good as it can ?

[Should they keep all the studio first takes too when they make an album ?]

As regards the Stones' typical sloppiness on stage. It's always been there and it's a part of their makeup.
I suspect that if the Stones were told to go on stage and play a spotlessly clean rendition of each song, they'd easily be able to do it. But not with the same abandon and gifted showmanship that makes them what they are.
It's simply not in them to stand on stage, introspectively focussed on the technical musicianship. That's not the Stones. Never has been.

and thank christ for THAT!!

ablett Wrote:
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> unbelievable, having a go about a project that has
> only just been filmed!

who's "having a go" at it? No one from what I can see.

Edits, yes, overdubs, unlikely.

JR

stating "0 : 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000/1" on overdubs aint having a go? I must be missing the point?

overdubs on a dvd? no .. on a live cd sure .. but not dvd's 4flicks had no overdubs

Pohan Wrote:
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> overdubs on a dvd? no .. on a live cd sure .. but
> not dvd's 4flicks had no overdubs


Hmmm...

I hope in a OFFICIAL BOOTLEG DVD (aka)no over-dubbing

cheers

ablett Wrote:
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> stating "0 :
> 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
> 000/1" on overdubs aint having a go? I must be
> missing the point?


You are. because that would roughly be the odds on the same happening on pretty much every other live CD theyve done?

A bit sensitive, no?

ok so what is going to be on the tour dvd, after this tour ends, not counting the beacon movie

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melillo Wrote:
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> ok so what is going to be on the tour dvd, after
> this tour ends, not counting the beacon movie


I'm not sure that there IS a tour DVD.

As I understand it, the Beacon shows were filmed for a movie by Scorsese, a project for which they also filmed the Austin show plus which will include archive footage as well. And presumably interviews, etc.

Theres nothing as I see it to suggest that any of the concerts that were filmed will be a standalone concert DVD release in their own right.

Ideally, it would be nice to get a film/DVD release of a show from the tour AND a career spanning documentary project. This seems to be attempting to cover both, so I would doubt that within the limited confines available, there would be much of the Beacon shows (or any show) that gets officially released.

It would be a great shame, having obviously optimised the whole setup of the Beacon shows for filming [and having apparently put on such great shows,] if the whole or most of the show wasn't made available at some stage as a pure concert video. Same for any other shows filmed for the same purpose.
It would be criminal not to release the footage !

Mick cheats on live cds all the time (since ya-yas), but I've never seen a film or video where he overdubs. Likely because this would look really dumb.

(At the Max, they almost do this, using different audio/video takes, but the source is still a live track).

Gazza Wrote:
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> Theres nothing as I see it to suggest that any of
> the concerts that were filmed will be a standalone
> concert DVD release in their own right.

We got the quote from Chuck somewhere, about having a double DVD, featuring Rio and Austin. It's not something to really, really rely on, but it's something at least.

I suppose when we say "overdub" these days, we're referring to various electronic devices used to rectify problems with sound [including pitch and timing errors].
Modern digital technology makes it unnecessary to actually re-record anything...but it's the same thing in essence.

I've often wondered whether we assume more remedial work to have been done on some official releases than has actually been the case. Those of us who listen to large numbers of boots could be excused for thinking the whole show has been re-recorded in some cases ! BUT, psychoacoustics is a funny and complex thing. A very poor mix, coupled with equally poor and dissonant EQ can actually make things sound out of tune or out of time when they're not. It's a strange but demonstrable phenomenon.



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Spud Wrote:
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> It would be a great shame, having obviously
> optimised the whole setup of the Beacon shows for
> filming if the whole or most of the show wasn't
> made available at some stage as a pure concert
> video. Same for any other shows filmed for the
> same purpose.
> It would be criminal not to release the footage !


Agree 100%, although it might be a bit hard to expect a director such as Scorsese to be persuaded to let them release a full length DVD from what will mostly be material that is destined to end up in the cutting room from what he filmed at the Beacon. Unless of course they have a prior agreement to do just that.

As for the movie, I'll be amazed if it is distributed widely as a cinema release. There just isnt the market for 'rock movies' anymore and certainly not for a Stones one. My guess is that the first time any of us sees it will be on TV.

Well... Street Fighting Man on Live Licks was Mick singing in a comfortale studio after much rest.

Actually, on Stripped and No Security I think his singing was truly live. But Flashpoint? Miss You, Rock and a Hard Place, JJF & Satisfaction - all re-recorded.

I understand fully what you're saying Gazza. But I don't see why the complete concert footage couldn't be repackaged sometime after the the film release. Nobody's product would be compromised or thunder stolen under those circumstances.



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The first few rows were all "overdubs" :wink:

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Hopefully the Beacon editing will be smooth and stay on the same shot for more than 3 seconds. The MSG editing was IMO a trian wreck.

The above message mentioned KISS. It's hard to watch a KISS DVD from the last couple tours without getting a headache. The cuts are too fast and instead of showing solos, they cut to slobs on the floor wearing makeup and sticking out their tounges. Paul Stanley is filming a DVD this Sunday at the Chicago HOB with 11 cameras...I'm sure there will be a few there in makeup.

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