stickydion Wrote:
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> phd wrote: ""Unable to fill any stadium without
> having to drastically cut the prices. The musical
> area has changed profoundly in the US and they did
> not realize it. A brutal signal was the poor
> selling of ABB which is a great album by Stones
> standards."
>
> The selling of ABB was really poor in the US, in
> comparison to the rest of the planet and to older
> Stones albums, of course. But this factor didn't
> prevent the northamerican leg of the tour from
> being very successful, from it's start to March
> 2006. We can add some concerts of the current leg,
> too (Halifax, Louisville, etc).
> So i think your conclusion is a bit exaggerated, a
> kind of sweeping generalization, unless you
> believe that the musical area in the US has
> changed during the fall... Things are simple: Do
> you want to visit the same places - N. York,
> Boston, LA- for 4th or 5th time during the ABB
> tour? Fine. Then you (A) have to offer clearly
> lower prices for all, from the beginning (which
> would be fair enough). Or you ( have to give
> later special prices, even lower, as for a part of
> the tickets. They prefered the second method -
> probably it's more profitable. But it's dangerous
> too..

So you come up to the same conclusion. Bottom line in terms of audience is poor compared to past glory tours. If you can't drive young audiences, you are " dead". You can't fill up 70 K audience stadiums with 50 year old audiences at the pace they wished or hoped so. That doesnt mean I did not like this tour. To the contrary, the 4 shows I attended in EU were outstanding except the Milan start. € or £ are waiting on Keith, Mick and Charlie.

SKR & NKR too.

I'm trying to figure out why the hell they have to postpone LA show? Just few days later. Because they are playing in AC the day before? It's arena show and LA is teh stadium differrent stages, and ven if AC was a stadium than they still have more than one stage they are using. Playing a show one day by another is not possible? Maybe it's what they have in their contract? I mean postponing the LA show just few days later will only piss people off I'm sure and it's logically not good thing to do.

ah what can the poor boy do except for loving The Rolling Stones band anyway ;P

The Stones COULD do NJ and LA back to back if they really WANTED too but they wont.

They don't do shows back to back even in the same city anymore, much less clear accross the country.

One of 'em has got to go...

They would have to postpone the L.A. because Mick is under doctors orders since August 2003 to no longer play 2 concerts without at least 1 day off between them, let alone 2 concerts on entirely different sides of the continent where he would have a 5-6 hour flight between them.

The fact of the matter is that by scheduling Atlantic City on November 17th, instead of the open date of November 16th, the Stones showed that they now intend to adjust the remainder of their schedule after that date. Of course, they only play in the casino cities of Atlantic City and Las Vegas on Friday or Saturday nights, due to tourists coming to these cities for the weekend. That's why they needed to reschedule on the 17th and not the 16th.

Just set the God Damn dates so people can rearrange their travel plans at the least extra expense!

They are being major asses about this; and will feel it once they see all thoes refunds once they make the announcement.

Phd wrote:

(A) "So you come up to the same conclusion."

No, i don't, as for your analysis about the whole american tour.

( "Bottom line in terms of audience is poor compared to past glory tours."

In term of audiences this tour is very ambitious and wildcat -perhaps more than ever- due to the annoying ticket prices. Also, due to the so high frequency of rounds in the last years- count the two factors together. But despite this "madness" - i mean the prices- until the end of the year the tour is going to surpass Licks and 1981/82 total number, which was 3.5 million as for both of them. Not including Rio's free gig. And the party goes on in 2007. Do you think a total number 4.5- 5 million people will be "poor"? Compared to which tour? To 1989/90, when the band did the first tour after 8 years, having on the map a huge "virgin" market like Japan? To 1994/95 round, that was the first tour after 5 years, having on the map a hugest "virgin" market like South America? Of course, all of us are unhappy when the Stones cancel shows- especially the fans who had plans and ...tickets for airplanes. But that happens. In 1998, in your country they canceled not one, not two, but three out four gigs. I don't think anyone consider B2B as unsuccessful tour due to these cancellations...

(C) "If you can't drive young audiences, you are " dead". You can't fill up 70 K audience stadiums with 50 year old audiences at the pace they wished or hoped so. "

Fortunately, despite these prices i saw a notable number of young people in Europe- i attended 4 shows too. Not less "young faces" than what i had seen during previous tours. Maybe i'm wrong, but, tell me, a few months ago did you see a Stade De France filled by "50 years old" people only? Have they attracted 909,000 "old fans" ? I don't think so. I repeat, prices don't help. But...
Why do you think the Stones must always play 70K audience stadiums? Jesus... Some fans demand "arenas and theatres", others are losing their sleep when the Stones fill a stadium at 85% instead of 95% or 100%. How many times the Stones played to more than 80,000 people in their entire carreer- not including free gigs? I have a catalogue of 34 concerts. Two of them, during ABB tour.

(D) "That doesnt mean I did not like this tour. To the contrary, the 4 shows I attended in EU were outstanding except the Milan start."

The most important thing. Let's enjoy it, while we can.

damn it's complicated
anybody driving from LA to AC by any chance for the rescheduled date? Flights are way to expensive

Why wait so long before giving an official announcement? That, I don't get.

Zeus, if its your day off, feel free to come to the show,
( Mick has invited Hera and Margaret T )

If the Stones decide to not show up, and cancel, well that is fine too.
But it is pathetic that they would schedule a show the night before,
after already scheduling a show 3000 miles away.

This crap reminds me of the kid who cuts my lawn.
he says he will be here Saturday morning, when I know damn well
he is going camping this weekend, very immature.

OH WELL...
I have seen the Rolling Stones 30 times, the last of which was when they
made me drive AGAIN, to Wichita, but that show was VERY STONES LIKE.
They played SUPER SET LIST including Sway, LetItBleed, Bitch,
MonkeyMan and so much more. They ripped it up for the 100th show ( or was it 101?)
We sat on the 17th row, seat 1 right by the cat walk,,, ( tickets we paid$475.00 )..... so it is all good, and I am happy.



PS
I am amused at the frenzy people are getting whipped into.
FK!!!, they skipped Kansas City completely, and we are a big time town.

On the day they skipped Kansas City, KC hosted 80,000 SOLDOUT at
Arrowhead for the Cheifs, AND-PLUS-IN ADDITION TO, on the same day
KC SOLDOUT 70,000 tickets at the NASCAR Kasnas International speedway.
If Mick wants to leave that money on the table,,,, that OK with us...IT IS HIS LO$$.
It would have been fun to see a show the night of that big day, but.....

Do I hate them for ignoring us. Heck no. We DO NOT require a concert here.

If I see them them in LA for my 31st show, cool...if they cancel, fine.
It would be more polite to NOT CANCEL AT 2:00 DAY OF SHOW,
BUT that is how they do it, We know that now, so stay tuned.

I am in a happy place. I have satisfaction. 30 concerts...KEWL,
and MOST of those shows were before tickets were above $100.00.

I do not suckUP. I DO NOT have any connections.
NOBODY shows me the back door. I have to pay up. I have paid my way EVERY TIME.
I KISSED NO ASS. I am a true, paying $upporting fan.

The reason I thank IORR for what it does, is I am trying to be polite, I am not KISSINGASS!!
Anyway ...... I owe no one ANYTHING. No one owes me anything.

If they cancel LA, I wil just use my $500.00-$1000 to purchase a new HD-DVD player. I am untouchable .... no matter what.

I have satisfaction as far as the Stones?? 30 times IZ enough, but also I will take in some more. But I can live happily ever after, already.


There are some good new bands coming along...I am placing a bet on "JET" the band.

I like JET's style,
( I am sure some bitchy, opinionated, self appointed, genius, expert on IORR hates them,
and thinks that they are poorly produced and a throw away band ) but I KNOW the facts.

We must find some new bands, to replace the ones that are going away.
We will see in 2035 if JET was up to the task.

PPS

ZEUS,
I would love to see DaStones in LA, maybe......hmmmmm???.A lil persuasion is needed.
"Persuade them" to follow through with their obligations, maybe a lightening bolt may be required, right up someones A$$. eh?

Oh,,, and one more thing Zeus,
Please bring your son along, Bacchus, KING OF PARTY.

Thank you Bacchus,
For the greatest party of all time 1961-????
Hail BACCHUS!!!!!

If that is true about the insurance, they ought to get control of their roadies. Insurance fraud is a pretty serious matter.

Greg, Greg, this isnt about you or KC...its a nice city we get it...

Focus goofball, focus

PiotrRSpl Wrote:
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> damn it's complicated
> anybody driving from LA to AC by any chance for
> the rescheduled date? Flights are way to expensive


3,000 miles by car in less than 24 hours? Who's driving? Michael Schumacher?

Sounds like the gumball rally, I'm in.

Gazza Wrote:
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> PiotrRSpl Wrote:
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> > damn it's complicated
> > anybody driving from LA to AC by any chance for
> > the rescheduled date? Flights are way to
> expensive
>
>
> 3,000 miles by car in less than 24 hours? Who's
> driving? Michael Schumacher?

I don't think Piotr realizes that it would be pretty similar as to driving from Moscow to Madrid. Yes, flights are way too expensive, but the gas for doing this trip would be even more, let alone the amount of time necessary to drive across the continent to do it.

Face it, the Stones will not play on November 18th in Los Angeles unless they end up changing the date of or altogether cancelling the Atlantic City show, which won't happen, because of the huge money involved from the casinos.



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And on TM tickets were available (2 hours ago I tried). For Honolulu, for L.A. on original dates....

Gazza Wrote:
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> PiotrRSpl Wrote:
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> > damn it's complicated
> > anybody driving from LA to AC by any chance for
> > the rescheduled date? Flights are way to
> expensive
>
>
> 3,000 miles by car in less than 24 hours? Who's
> driving? Michael Schumacher?


That would be Jeff Gordon in this country.

PiotrRSpl Wrote:
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> damn it's complicated
> anybody driving from LA to AC by any chance for
> the rescheduled date? Flights are way to expensive


Piotr, even though you've been rude to me and accused me of creating hysteria (I saved a guy from buying Plane tickets this morning. That's what I was trying to do - get the word out FAST. That's what computers are for - High Speed Information) I'm still gonna be a cool cat (kotek or cotec) and forgive you. You can find pretty cheap flights. look into Jet Blue - www.jetblue.com . You cannot fly in/out of AC but one of the New York/New Jersey neighborhood ones. You don't fly into LAX but Long Beach Airport which is 20 minutes south of LAX - no big deal. It's a highly rated airline and pretty cheap (maybe it does go out of AC - better to check the website. There's also SOUTHWEST airlines and AMERICA WEST - I think that's what it's called.... A "sorry MsB" would be nice and decent.....BTW, driving would take you around 3 days, day and night. Gotta fly. MB

sweetcharmedlife Wrote:
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> Gazza Wrote:
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> > PiotrRSpl Wrote:
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> > -----
> > > damn it's complicated
> > > anybody driving from LA to AC by any chance
> for
> > > the rescheduled date? Flights are way to
> > expensive
> >
> >
> > 3,000 miles by car in less than 24 hours? Who's
> > driving? Michael Schumacher?
>
>
> That would be Jeff Gordon in this country.

but jeff gordon only knows how to drive in circles - you'd end up in AC right where you started!

you can't catch me!

I'm trying to figure out why the hell they have to postpone LA show? Just few days later. Because they are playing in AC the day before? It's arena show and LA is teh stadium differrent stages, and ven if AC was a stadium than they still have more than one stage they are using. Playing a show one day by another is not possible? Maybe it's what they have in their contract? I mean postponing the LA show just few days later will only piss people off I'm sure and it's logically not good thing to do.

FYI The Arena stage is the same as the stadium stage. The B-stage train and the main part of the stage are universal for both the arena and stadium shows. Same goes for the lights and PA. The only part of the stage they have more than one of is the steel system.

I was at AC for the show last Friday. I was not surprised, actually quite thankful, that the show was postponed and not cancelled out right. But I was surprised that the new AC show wasn't just tacked on to the end of the tour. That way all shows could stand as scheduled. Especially this close to the end.

Strange.

The tour has to finish on date Nov. 22. The entire crew band etc is supposed to finsih then with other things to do so they can't just add stuff to the end without re-arranging all contracts etc.

Bjornulf

Posted by: MicksBrain wrote:
" I think that's what it's called.... A "sorry MsB" would be nice and decent.....BTW, driving would take you around 3 days, day and night. Gotta fly. MB"

Bro, would you settle for a BIG THANK YOU!!, from someone else.

THANK YOU!!!


The risk of posting and trying to do some good, is the mass heckling that may ensue.

I, for one, appreciate the heads up, effort, and time it takes to spread the word---good or bad.

I read IORR to learn what the Stones are ashamed to say.

PS
That insurance fraud thing is a good point.

PPS
It would only take 22 hours if you drove 135 mph, just like the Bandit, Burt Reynolds.

"We got a long way to go, and a short time to get there" oh wait....wrong movie. LOL

The Notorious NIK Wrote:
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> sweetcharmedlife Wrote:
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> > > > damn it's complicated
> > > > anybody driving from LA to AC by any chance
> > for
> > > > the rescheduled date? Flights are way to
> > > expensive
> > >
> > >
> > > 3,000 miles by car in less than 24 hours?
> Who's
> > > driving? Michael Schumacher?
> >
> >
> > That would be Jeff Gordon in this country.
>
> but jeff gordon only knows how to drive in circles
> - you'd end up in AC right where you started!


Not true Nik, he is also a great road racer. But still funny!

Harm Wrote:
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> capsula Wrote:
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> > I don't think it's proffessional to cancel one
> > show and postpone another due to the date
> change
> > of another. AC should have been cancelled.
>
> Yes, AC should have been cancelled. So it's about
> money after all?


I don't see any reason why the Atlantic City show should be cancelled instead of being postponed.They could have set it for the end of November and avoided any rescheduling of other shows.They will have at the very least a few months of break time after November.



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PiotrRSpl Wrote:
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> I'm trying to figure out why the hell they have to postpone LA show? Just few days later. Because they are playing in AC the day before? It's arena show and LA is teh stadium differrent stages, and ven if AC was a stadium than they still have more than one stage they are using.

They have three sets of the steel structure for the stadium stage. They don't have three sets of everything else, such as lighting, sound, video, stage floor, band equipment, etc etc.

> Playing a show one day by another is not possible? Maybe it's what they have in their contract?

Since they separated the two Wembley Arena shows in September 2003, they have not, and will no longer, perform two nights in a row. Ahoy/Vredenburg is the last time they did so.

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> The tour has to finish on date Nov. 22. The entire
> crew band etc is supposed to finsih then with
> other things to do so they can't just add stuff to
> the end without re-arranging all contracts etc.


Well,the tour now goes on until November 25th.

The rescheduled planning seems better for Mick. Sad for Hawaii and the troubles that it will cause to all the concerned people in the US and Canada. 15 monthes on the road is for The Rolling Stones a unique " tour de force". Hope it will fine for all the shows to come. Very pleased to have them end their last ABB gig in Canada. This country give such an outstanding welcome ( all their shows sold out ) that it is well deserved. God Bless The British Empire !!!! If it is their last ever concert, nice place to leave The Stage of History.