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skipstone
The movie IS hilarious. I think it was Mick taking the piss of himself, making fun of himself, having fun with who he is. Yeah the TTP,D bit with the LYL album playing (the vocals are still in there, he's just 'singing' along) was, I thought, a brilliant display of hilariousness in terms of how it's so obviously NOT TTP,D.

I liked the beginning of the movie.

Very funny movie. Yeah it's not good. It's FUNNY.

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skipstone
The movie IS hilarious. I think it was Mick taking the piss of himself, making fun of himself, having fun with who he is. Yeah the TTP,D bit with the LYL album playing (the vocals are still in there, he's just 'singing' along) was, I thought, a brilliant display of hilariousness in terms of how it's so obviously NOT TTP,D.

I liked the beginning of the movie.

Very funny movie. Yeah it's not good. It's FUNNY.

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skipstone
The movie IS hilarious. I think it was Mick taking the piss of himself, making fun of himself, having fun with who he is. Yeah the TTP,D bit with the LYL album playing (the vocals are still in there, he's just 'singing' along) was, I thought, a brilliant display of hilariousness in terms of how it's so obviously NOT TTP,D.

I liked the beginning of the movie.

Very funny movie. Yeah it's not good. It's FUNNY.

Exactly..people just dont get it...

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Title5Take1
I think Mick referred to this as a "long video" (produced by "CBS Records," not an actual movie studio, too). So by that standard I found it harmless fun. Rented it twice from a Blockbuster Video. Rae Dawn Chong, though was angry at the nudity and Mick tongue-flicking her nipple (very briefly). She said, "Mick and Julian Temple had me in the middle of nowhere and took advantage."

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Who's seen this? I never have. It's meant to be really crap.

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Doxa
I cannot think that anybody tries to take RUNNING OUT OF LUCK seriously - I don't know what it even could mean? It is supposed to be ironical and funny - Mick making funny of himself and of his image (to a degree but still promoting a real solo career)- but an hour and half hours of is a bloody hell long time for telling that point. I remember the movie was once described as the longest and the most boring 'three-minute song video ever done. And nothing is sadder than a funny movie that is not funny. To actually call it 'movie' is making fun of the term. And I think that Jagger's 'ironical' take of himself is nothing but unreflected egoism: "look how smart I am: I act 90 minutes of making fun of myself" (a test: try to show the movie to any non-Jagger fan and ask for impression.)

Seriously, I think the movie is a symptom of Jagger really losing his touch - and that what it was established in reality: the movie was total fiasco in every sense at the time it was released - and it is total historical revisionism to claim otherwise. Jagger tried project his old image in a new context, in a a homeground of people like Michael Jackson and Prince, and failed big time. He did not get a new audience - and lost a lot of respect from his old one.

Taking together, Jagger's solo career from SHE'S THE BOSS to PRIMITIVE COOL is the biggest image bankrupt ever happened in rock business - how the biggest rock star of the world turned to be uncool wanna-be superstar without real fan support. Magical, iconical rock god turned out to be ordinary mortal. Looking RUNNING OUT OF LUCK one can really see very good reasons why. I think the 80's gave Jagger a lesson none of us can really imagine - but thanks to that we got The Rolling Stones back in 1989, and 'humble' Jagger...

- Doxa

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Doxa
I cannot think that anybody tries to take RUNNING OUT OF LUCK seriously - I don't know what it even could mean? It is supposed to be ironical and funny - Mick making funny of himself and of his image (to a degree but still promoting a real solo career)- but an hour and half hours of is a bloody hell long time for telling that point. I remember the movie was once described as the longest and the most boring 'three-minute song video ever done. And nothing is sadder than a funny movie that is not funny. To actually call it 'movie' is making fun of the term. And I think that Jagger's 'ironical' take of himself is nothing but unreflected egoism: "look how smart I am: I act 90 minutes of making fun of myself" (a test: try to show the movie to any non-Jagger fan and ask for impression.)

Seriously, I think the movie is a symptom of Jagger really losing his touch - and that what it was established in reality: the movie was total fiasco in every sense at the time it was released - and it is total historical revisionism to claim otherwise. Jagger tried project his old image in a new context, in a a homeground of people like Michael Jackson and Prince, and failed big time. He did not get a new audience - and lost a lot of respect from his old one.

Taking together, Jagger's solo career from SHE'S THE BOSS to PRIMITIVE COOL is the biggest image bankrupt ever happened in rock business - how the biggest rock star of the world turned to be uncool wanna-be superstar without real fan support. Magical, iconical rock god turned out to be ordinary mortal. Looking RUNNING OUT OF LUCK one can really see very good reasons why. I think the 80's gave Jagger a lesson none of us can really imagine - but thanks to that we got The Rolling Stones back in 1989, and 'humble' Jagger...

- Doxa

Yes!
Those calling it 'ironic', 'campy', 'taking the piss' must not have remembered this when it came out. Jagger was very serious about his move into film, ala Prince, Jackson. It was a travesty at the time, and it remains one of the more embarrassing chapters in Stones' history. This, taken with She's the Boss and PC, are the moment when Mick became corny, old and uncool, but seeming to want to be otherwise.
You're right on the money Doxa. this was one of the biggest 'image bankrupt' moments in rock and roll history. Everything changed, and it all seemed to change overnight. In 1983, with Undercover, Mick was still Mick. In 1985, I remember thinking, 'Is this the same guy who wrote Gimme Shelter?' 'Is this the same guy who sang on Exile on Main Street, Some Girls?' The swagger, wit and intellect was all gone, replaced by something really cheesy and dumb.
Any attempts to turn Running Out of Luck into something more is, like you said Doxa, revisionist thinking. Because I remember how serious Jagger was about his 'film' and planned on releasing it in theaters - that's how deluded he was at the time. The response was so bad, from critics, that it ended up being released nearly two years later only on VHS. It disappeared. I happened to find it at my local video store in the early 90s...and, approaching with a certain amount of dread and embarrassment, finally watched it and was thankful not many people saw it. It was cringeworthy.
It wasn't funny, witty, or gracefully done. It was tacky and cheap, plastic.
It took Mick a long time to shake this image off.....

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Doxa
I cannot think that anybody tries to take RUNNING OUT OF LUCK seriously - I don't know what it even could mean? It is supposed to be ironical and funny - Mick making funny of himself and of his image (to a degree but still promoting a real solo career)- but an hour and half hours of is a bloody hell long time for telling that point. I remember the movie was once described as the longest and the most boring 'three-minute song video ever done. And nothing is sadder than a funny movie that is not funny. To actually call it 'movie' is making fun of the term. And I think that Jagger's 'ironical' take of himself is nothing but unreflected egoism: "look how smart I am: I act 90 minutes of making fun of myself" (a test: try to show the movie to any non-Jagger fan and ask for impression.)

Seriously, I think the movie is a symptom of Jagger really losing his touch - and that what it was established in reality: the movie was total fiasco in every sense at the time it was released - and it is total historical revisionism to claim otherwise. Jagger tried project his old image in a new context, in a a homeground of people like Michael Jackson and Prince, and failed big time. He did not get a new audience - and lost a lot of respect from his old one.

Taking together, Jagger's solo career from SHE'S THE BOSS to PRIMITIVE COOL is the biggest image bankrupt ever happened in rock business - how the biggest rock star of the world turned to be uncool wanna-be superstar without real fan support. Magical, iconical rock god turned out to be ordinary mortal. Looking RUNNING OUT OF LUCK one can really see very good reasons why. I think the 80's gave Jagger a lesson none of us can really imagine - but thanks to that we got The Rolling Stones back in 1989, and 'humble' Jagger...

- Doxa

Yes!
Those calling it 'ironic', 'campy', 'taking the piss' must not have remembered this when it came out. Jagger was very serious about his move into film, ala Prince, Jackson. It was a travesty at the time, and it remains one of the more embarrassing chapters in Stones' history. This, taken with She's the Boss and PC, are the moment when Mick became corny, old and uncool, but seeming to want to be otherwise.
You're right on the money Doxa. this was one of the biggest 'image bankrupt' moments in rock and roll history. Everything changed, and it all seemed to change overnight. In 1983, with Undercover, Mick was still Mick. In 1985, I remember thinking, 'Is this the same guy who wrote Gimme Shelter?' 'Is this the same guy who sang on Exile on Main Street, Some Girls?' The swagger, wit and intellect was all gone, replaced by something really cheesy and dumb.
Any attempts to turn Running Out of Luck into something more is, like you said Doxa, revisionist thinking. Because I remember how serious Jagger was about his 'film' and planned on releasing it in theaters - that's how deluded he was at the time. The response was so bad, from critics, that it ended up being released nearly two years later only on VHS. It disappeared. I happened to find it at my local video store in the early 90s...and, approaching with a certain amount of dread and embarrassment, finally watched it and was thankful not many people saw it. It was cringeworthy.
It wasn't funny, witty, or gracefully done. It was tacky and cheap, plastic.
It took Mick a long time to shake this image off.....

Mick Jagger had been 'Mick Jagger' since 1962, and wanted something more than being a one dimensional rock star. He'd done it, more successfully than almost anyone else, and certainly longer at the top than anyone else.

He wanted more than just being a Rolling Stone. that had become far too easy on the one hand, and more difficult (working with Keith) on the other.

It wasn't terribly well thought out mind you. He did destroy the myth in those years, but I don't think it was all bad. He's rebuilt it better than ever by trying and working very hard.

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>Because I remember how serious Jagger was about his 'film' and planned on releasing it in theaters


Now you're just making shit up, stupid guy. Provide a source.

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TDive25
Prince did this "Purple Rain"-movie just a year before. I guess that's where the idea for the Jagger-movie came from.

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Title5Take1
Did enough people even pay attention to She's the Boss and Runnin' Out of Luck for them to affect his image? Probably the only Mick solo thing tons of people saw around that time was his LIVE-AID gig, which I don't think left much of an impression either way. And one of the things I've admired about Mick is his always having had a pretty broad image, and not being too rigid. Reading Shelley at Hyde Park, being a gay protaganist in When the Whip Comes Down and (sort of) in Let Me Go (can you imagine Elvis or even Jim Morrison singing those lines?), saying way back at a blue-blood party in 1967 or so "I'm here to learn to how to be a gentleman" to another party guest (so no surpise he was pleased to be knighted, years later). Singing in drag in Bent. Doing a falsetto in Emotional Rescue (probably braver in its way than the Stones releasing Little Red Rooster as a single). Mick's always been all over the map.