I think Bob should jam with the Stones sometime!! He clearly love the Stones as he often covers them in his various bands & they all have the same great taste & love for music.

I would love to hear Keith Ron & Weir rip a few tunes!

That would be awesome. Maybe he could open the Oakland show.

would enjoy that - but will never happen

Bob Wier did Jam with the Stones, I believe 1981, maybe Buffalo.

it's WEIR, not WIER -

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> would enjoy that - but will never happen

Why not? They've had openers a lot more obscure than Weir on this tour.

van's already opening for starters - Bob's not mainstream enough and he won't bringing anyone new into the gig - can see bob just about anytime you want in the 'hood....

Thanks for correction in the spelling. Just think its a crying shame since they could make so great music together.

I also think the late Bill Graham did a better job of promoting the band. I also think he would have some positive influence on the band regarding song selections.

not sure about song selections - don't think the promoter has much to say/do about that. cohl beat out graham for stones promoter a long time ago - and let's just say, the fans aren't the better for it....

Would be cool to see and hear, would also be nice to have Bob's band open for the Stones. I love the Dead but not so much into going to see Ratdog or any of Bob's solo bands. But it would be great to see him open for the Stones.

Who knows if hell didn't break loose at Altamont maybe the Dead and Stones would have jammed together.

The reason I say BG may have influenced songs is that the story about him getting Dylan to play Mr. Tamborine in Italy. Dylan didn't want to play it but was finally convinced & was surprised how well it went. I think Bill promoted them as the greatest R&R band & you did feel that when the band played your town ..it was the R&R capital of the world. He may have pused for more theater show a la Garcia on Broadway. Who knows ..just some thougts.

Ratgod opening for the Stones is a great idea in my book ...as does Tony Bennet & I see Little Richard is on the road.

Ratdog would be a long shot... A better chance for an opening slot would be a reunited "core four" as the Dead opening for the Stones, but I doubt its likely that those guys will be playing together anytime soon.

On a related note for those Deadheads out there, I always dreamed of the Stones belting out the Garcia tune "Loose Lucy"... I think it would match the band really well.

Weir thinks his solo band should be paid Grateful Dead size money because he's Bob Weir. He is an arrogant prick wearing his "anti-establishment cred'" on his sleeve while expecting to be paid like Sinatra. Weir has a hard time with many promoters for that reason. Many of the majors have washed their hands of him for the time being anyway. He would consider opening for the Stones far too "corporate blah-blah-blah" - not that he'd be invited to do so anyway.

arrogant prick, eh? sounds like the perfect opener....

Jerry and Keith keep good company.

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two rhythm guitarists is one too many..

JR

Graham's memoir indicates he wanted the '81 tour to be a '20 year retrospective' rather than built around the new material (Tattoo). Glad they did a lot of TY. As for Bob Weir, I do dig some of Garcia/Hunter's songs, and Jerry's musicianship, but Weir to me is very dull especially when he tries to rock out.

R Wrote:
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> Weir thinks his solo band should be paid Grateful
> Dead size money because he's Bob Weir. He is an
> arrogant prick wearing his "anti-establishment
> cred'" on his sleeve while expecting to be paid
> like Sinatra. Weir has a hard time with many
> promoters for that reason. Many of the majors have
> washed their hands of him for the time being
> anyway. He would consider opening for the Stones
> far too "corporate blah-blah-blah" - not that he'd
> be invited to do so anyway.


HA! Thanks for the laugh. Blashphemy I say.
Bobby certainly doesn't need the money. The way the Stones
gouge the fans for their money, when both Keith and Mick are
each worth over 100M is robbery. Don't even go there.
Rather see a performer of his era/status play with heart and soul
and BRING IT every single night in a small, intimate theater as he
does these days, and at a REASONABLE/AFFORDABLE PRICE.
Not only does he carry on the tradition of the Grateful Dead, and
the legacy of Jerry, since '95 he has shaped a new band into a very,
very good sextet.
I have seen both Ratdog and the Stones quite a bit these days, more so
with Bob and Ratdog, and dig them both.

I will never pay more than $100 for the Stones.And its not that I cannot afford it. $100 shoud be TOP PRICE for them. Go ahead, keep getting reamed by the Stones for mediocre performances. Don't get me wrong, but it is the truth.
Keith and Mick need to take theater route and get back to what they
do best. The show at Gillette Stadium was C, maybe C+ at best.

StonesTod Wrote:
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> van's already opening for starters - Bob's not
> mainstream enough and he won't bringing anyone new
> into the gig - can see bob just about anytime you
> want in the 'hood....


I absolutly DISAGREE

Mainstream or not, BW can sell a few tix.

I followed the Dead around a while as well as some Ratdog, Weir and Wasserman and BW solo shows... Hippies still flock to his shows.

BW would be a smart opener. Somebody who will sell tix with or without the Stones (not near as many as say, Metallica, but a few thousand)

FAR BETTER than Elvis Costello (whom I really like, but he does not really draw)

Borncrosseyed Wrote:
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> R Wrote:
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> -----
> > Weir thinks his solo band should be paid
> Grateful
> > Dead size money because he's Bob Weir. He is an
> > arrogant prick wearing his "anti-establishment
> > cred'" on his sleeve while expecting to be paid
> > like Sinatra. Weir has a hard time with many
> > promoters for that reason. Many of the majors
> have
> > washed their hands of him for the time being
> > anyway. He would consider opening for the
> Stones
> > far too "corporate blah-blah-blah" - not that
> he'd
> > be invited to do so anyway.
>
>
> HA! Thanks for the laugh. Blashphemy I say.
> Bobby certainly doesn't need the money. The way
> the Stones
> gouge the fans for their money, when both Keith
> and Mick are
> each worth over 100M is robbery. Don't even go
> there.
> Rather see a performer of his era/status play with
> heart and soul
> and BRING IT every single night in a small,
> intimate theater as he
> does these days, and at a REASONABLE/AFFORDABLE
> PRICE.
> Not only does he carry on the tradition of the
> Grateful Dead, and
> the legacy of Jerry, since '95 he has shaped a new
> band into a very,
> very good sextet.
> I have seen both Ratdog and the Stones quite a bit
> these days, more so
> with Bob and Ratdog, and dig them both.
>


I never miss Ratdog either. Love the Dead. Love R'dog. Love Phil & Friends. I've met Weir and he IS a prick. I know the promoters who won't work with him anymore as well and what I've stated is accurate. The Dead members were never the greatest of businessmen and so yes Bob does need the money though much less than you or I might. What I stated was in response to the notion of Ratdog as an opener for the Stones and if you'll reread what I wrote I think you'll see we agree more than we don't.

R Wrote:
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> Weir thinks his solo band should be paid Grateful
> Dead size money because he's Bob Weir. He is an
> arrogant prick wearing his "anti-establishment
> cred'" on his sleeve while expecting to be paid
> like Sinatra. Weir has a hard time with many
> promoters for that reason. Many of the majors have
> washed their hands of him for the time being
> anyway. He would consider opening for the Stones
> far too "corporate blah-blah-blah" - not that he'd
> be invited to do so anyway.


I just saw this same post in the ratdog.org message board....whats going on here?

Well I still find him dull, as an artist, songwriter, and now w/Ratdog - in the Dead he had a function and I do like Weather Report Suite except for some of the words.
I'd love the reunited Meters to stop by and open a show. Maybe Zig would hangout backstage, one thing would lead to another and there'd be a New Barbarians reunion...

R Wrote:
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> He is an
> arrogant prick wearing his "anti-establishment
> cred'" on his sleeve while expecting to be paid
> like Sinatra.

I'm not a Deadhead, and certainly not an authority on Bob Weir.

But I will say that I was very impressed by him in the recently unearthed and completed documentary Festival Express, about a series of concerts in Canada in 1970.

He was being interviewed by some underground press reporters about rioting that had happened at a previous show, and he railed on the fact that the crowd had turned violent and busted open a policeman's head.

He pointed out that it wasn't right, and that THE COP WAS A HUMAN BEING TOO!

To really appreciate the boldness of that statement, you'd have to be at the very least 44 years old. Because at the time it was routine for the rock/underground press to describe police as "pigs." Weir wasn't making a popular statement. It was practicaly career suicide. Back then long hairs (i.e. rock and roll fans) viewed cops The Enemy, ready to bust them at any minute. In the underground/popular culture of 1970, pointing out the humanity of a police officer seemed as insane as (years later) feeling sorry for one of the Nazis in the Wolfenstein-3D computer game!

Weir coming down on the kids wasn't going to make any new fans. It was Anti-"Anti-Establlishment." (And that was when "Anti-Establishment" really meant something.)

I don't know what the Weir of today is like, but I give him HUGE credit for having enough character as a very young man to swim against the tide and stand up for what was right.

I meant to see Festival Express. You're right about the culture clash and Weir's reaction.

Bob was a fantastic rhythm guitar player, he seems to have strayed from his area of expertise. If you listen to The GRateful Dead from the early 70's, Weirs guitar work is sensational, mixing up nicely the strum of chords with plenty of notes thrown in.

His phrasing and placement of said chords and notes is a thing of beauty. His sound was every bit as important as Jerry's. But, he no longer plays that way, I saw Ratdog a few times, I was never impressed.

Great guitar player, but he just seems to be in a funk the past few years IMO.

Weir has some hilarious comments on Festival Express - it's my favorite rock'nroll movie of alltime....

R Wrote:
> I never miss Ratdog either. Love the Dead. Love
> R'dog. Love Phil & Friends. I've met Weir and he
> IS a prick. I know the promoters who won't work
> with him anymore as well and what I've stated is
> accurate. The Dead members were never the greatest
> of businessmen and so yes Bob does need the money
> though much less than you or I might. What I
> stated was in response to the notion of Ratdog as
> an opener for the Stones and if you'll reread what
> I wrote I think you'll see we agree more than we
> don't.

'twas the arrogant prick remark you make. Call me a bit bias as i'll have seen ratdog 40 times this year alone by years end. The times I've met and spoke with him he's been nothing but gracious, and pleasant. Sorry you see it that way, or had a less than pleasant experience with him.
agree to disagree I guess.
Kudos to Bob for trying for the $$$$. The rest of his band are not from where he has been, or have what he has financially and that could be a playing factor
as well. Peace to you R. Lets have a beer on upcoming dog tour???