In the 70's Mick really just improvised on songs, sometimes just singing a verse twice. Which was fine by me. I mean, it's only rock 'n' roll. The screen, no problem, but does he really need it? So he sings a verse wrong? Who cares? Keith is a good example. He quite obviously doesn't use the screens. He sings Slipping Away almost completely different every show. But that doesn't make it less good!!

That's what the diference is: Mick and no other Rolling Stone needs the help of a prompter or teleprompter (Prompter or teleprompter is a method to show the text or lyric on a screen you are looking throw while looking into a camera)
It doesn't make any sense for Mick, running across the stage, allways a camera in front of him he is looking through ... ;-))

Mick an all the other Stones (and other bands, too. Allmost every band ...) needs some hints in form of the setlist written at Charlies Chapelle, some sheeds on the stage, and some tv sreens with lyrics. They do that since many years. It's nothing wrong with that. That are only hints, they don't read them really or only from time to time a little.



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Okay Highwire we get it......teleprompter was the wrong word

I've seen Mick in Cologne using a Teleprompter on the B-stage during Rough Justice. I suppose he uses taht kind of help just on rare or undone songs.

Keep on rollin'
Gangster

HighwireC Wrote:
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> That's what the diference is: Mick and no other
> Rolling Stone needs the help of a prompter or
> teleprompter (Prompter or teleprompter is a method
> to show the text or lyric on a screen you are
> looking throw while looking into a camera)
> It doesn't make any sense for Mick, running across
> the stage, allways a camera in front of him he is
> looking through ... ;-))
> [upload.wikimedia.org]
> b/2/20/Teleprompter_schematic.svg/300px-Teleprompt
> er_schematic.svg.png
> Mick an all the other Stones (and other bands,
> too. Allmost every band ...) needs some hints in
> form of the setlist written at Charlies Chapelle,
> some sheeds on the stage, and some tv sreens with
> lyrics. They do that since many years. It's
> nothing wrong with that. That are only hints, they
> don't read them really or only from time to time a
> little.


It seems that you like fighting about the wording. But anyway you may call it teleprompter, prompter, tv or pc screen

fact is

that there is one of those for Mick on stage and that he uses it time by time and another fact is that

is doesn't show just hints, it shows the whole lyrics of each and every song they play.

If you have ever had on stage tickets you could have seen it.



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I think it's a good idea...at least he wants to get the songs right!

I don't think it's *wrong* to use them, but I do sort of miss the days of songs like "Shattered," where it was totally a chaotic sprawling mess, Mick is throwing out bits and pieces of lyrics as he remembers them, and everybody in the band is just struggling to keep it together behind him. Songs like that have a mind of their own, and a teleprompter kind of takes away that element of chance. "Beast Of Burden" was sorta like that, too, you never knew how long the song was gonna be or if the verses and breaks would be in the right order, but it didn't matter.


Off topic, but I always dug the fact that in the '60s the Beatles had their set lists on little pieces of paper taped to the backs of their guitars. No need to have a roadie tape big pieces of paper to the floor of the stage every night, they could just run out onto the middle of the baseball field and do their thing, and then sneak a peek at the back of their guitar and they'd all know what the next song was gonna be.

Right, he used that teleprompter since the Steel Wheels tour. Funny enough I could watch the lady steering it at the PC in Vredenburg. She got the next song on the screen, she got the lyrics on the screen and she got everything Mick was talking about on the screen (for dutch it was a phonetic transcription). It was a bit boring as you could see what comes next.

At least the warhorses didn't have the lyrics on the computer

The teleprompter also has an introduction regarding what particular city they are playing in and it has a scripted joke on it as well. I've seen this with my own eyes.

Ok, Blondie is THE singer of the Stones, Derryl plays lead-guitar, why make a difference, a singer is a singer and a guitarplayer is a guitarplayer.

So all instruments in use of helping to remember some lyrics are teleprompters ...

But if you belong to the very rare people, like me, who find out differences between Blondie and Mick, please try to use the correct words for the technical instruments, too.

A teleprompter is made for permanent use, reading the news and looking to the peoples through the camera, in tv news and so on.

Of course the tv screens shows the complete lyrics and so on, too. But these tv screens used during musikconcerts are something like an electronical kind of that "whisperers" who you can find in opera houses or theaters. Actors use them temporaryly, only when they are in need.

So the Stones do, too, since many years.


This was my last try.



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They do have suppositories that are highly effective for anal-retentive types....

Do you use a teleprompter when giving speeches about the definition of teleprompters?

Now part of me wants to say it again and again and again -- so it's settled then, Mick uses a TELEPROMPTER?

I've seen the telprompter myself. I'm sure he doesn't look at them a lot though.

When in Cardiff I got the impression that Keith was making up text as he was going along on Slipping away.

HighWireC, everyone thinks you're an idiot. You know what we mean when we call it a teleprompter. And your analogy was horrible. We get the point that you have some weird problem with people using the word "teleprompter" instead of "prompter." It is in no way related to people confusing Blondie Chaplin with Mick Jagger.

WHy does jaggyfreshandkeith ask this sort of question and then initiate a post that an inside rs source has leaked him the Boston setlist? Can't he ask the same ...um....source?

Rgds
Rod
Perth

Promoman Wrote:
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> I've seen the telprompter myself. I'm sure he
> doesn't look at them a lot though.
>
> When in Cardiff I got the impression that Keith
> was making up text as he was going along on
> Slipping away.


I love the way you wrote it, Promoman.
'cause you sound as if Charlie just made a statement.

Now JAGGYFRESHANDKEITH & HIGHWIRE C - please keep it cool.
don't get personal if you haven't even met before.
Some things can be proven by Wikipedia & google - so dont argue, better check that.
To be - or - not to be an IDIOT - might be your personal opinion, JAGGYFRESHANDKEITH - but please speak for yourself, and not the majority.

I don't think Highwire is a n Idiot - you see^^

I don't care what he uses during shows. So there.

Long John Stoner Wrote:
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> I don't care what he uses during shows.

the answer is already out anyway: an oxygen tank.

nikkibong Wrote:
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> most obvious example is Hand of Fate on the FF dvd


yeah. even with the messup, I still like that version.

He also kind of messes up on Stray Cat Blues. In the middle, where hes not supposed to sing he starts to go WOaaaaah but then cuts him self off before saying "Yeah".

Im Just thinking about what a great show that was. talk about a set list. That show has one of their all time best IMO. even with a lot of covers, it has a lot good songs of theirs too. and a wide range of different types of songs. I wish FF had the complete show.



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"Golly", Im just gunna post it for the "heck" of it.

. Start Me Up
Live With Me
Neighbors
Hand Of Fate
No Expectations
Worried About You
(Do Do Do Do) Heartbreaker
IORR
Stray Cat Blues
Dance Pt 1
Everybody Needs Somebody to Love
Thats How Strong My Love Is
Going To a Go-Go
The Nearness Of You
Before They Make Me Run
Love Train
Repsectable
Rip This Joint
Honkey Tonk Women
Brown Sugar
encore: JJ flash.



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vot???

err yeah - nice setlist but what's it got to do with teleprompterzzz???

Its sort of an off shoot.

I'm so sorry looking like an idiot here. But I'm training people who wants to do some interviews on radio or tv, I'm working with some radio- and tv-stations so. And like some musicans make differences between some guitars I make differences between some technical helping instruments.
This one is a teleprompter:


Frank Sinatra used a teleprompter, sitting on a chair, looking into some cameras and reading the lyrics there.


Have a look at this very exactly recherched story:

>>The Times September 02, 2006

Jagger keeps on rocking as the lyrics roll up his auto-prompter
By Adam Sherwin, Media Correspondent

IT’S hard not to feel sympathy for the old devil. Sir Mick Jagger has succumbed to an on-stage Autocue in the battle against rock’n’roll amnesia.

A screen secreted among the 63-year-old rocker’s onstage monitors scrolls through the lyrics to the Rolling Stones’ classic songs in time with Jagger’s delivery. The prompt, used during the band’s £250 million-grossing tour, even tells him the name of the city where he is performing, and cues his between-song ad-libs.

Representatives of the band said that the screen was simply a prompt, allowing him to keep up the high-energy performances for which he is famed.

“He’s running all over the stage but if he gets a memory blank he can get back to the screen quickly,” a Stones source said. “He rarely needs it but it’s a back-up.”

A technician keeps pace with Jagger’s delivery, but after 40 years on the road, the screen may require close reading. He sang the same verse of Ruby Tuesday twice at last week’s concert in Glasgow during a show broadcast across the world by BBC Radio 2.

The Autocue allows Sir Mick to greet overseas crowds in their own language at prearranged breaks. The script suggested “Good evening London” at last month’s Twickenham shows.

The revelation cast new light on the lengths required to keep ageing rockers on the road. Oxygen masks are on permanent standby for Ozzy Osbourne, while the Beach Boys require backstage deep muscle massage from a licensed practitioner.

Autocues are a guilty secret. “Everyone uses them, from Macca to Elton,” said Brian Larter, managing director of Autoscript UK, which provides prompts for BBC newsreaders and rock stars. But discretion is vital. “Singers like to hide them in a front-of-stage monitor,” Mr Larter said. “You don’t want cameras to pick them up or let the audience see them or the gig can turn into karaoke.”

Like Jagger, most frontmen use the cue to cover for a brief mental blank or to prompt them to announce the next song on the set list. Reliance on a prompt, however, would seem to rise in proportion to career intake of drink and drugs. Brian Wilson, the Beach Boy who suffered mental illness through his experimentation with LSD, can perform only by sitting at a piano and reading the lyrics from a screen.

Axl Rose, of Guns N’Roses, has three cues placed strategically along the stage, alongside the band’s flame-throwers and explosives. Shaun Ryder of Happy Mondays also requires onstage assistance.

Frank Sinatra pioneered the onstage teleprompter, continuing to perform until he was 80, despite a fading memory. Divas such as Barbra Streisand use a cue for their script and lyrics.

Some stars can turn failing memories into an artistic statement. David Bowie has an onstage lectern containing the lyrics to his most recent songs. Michael Stipe, of R.E.M, adopted the lectern, screwing up the paper lyrics and throwing them into the crowd at the end of each song.

But a spokesman for The Who, the latest 60-plus rock legends returning to the stage, said that Roger Daltrey and Pete Townshend needed no onstage prompting to help them to perform their back catalogue.

THE SHOW MUST GO ON . . . BUT FIRST A MASSAGE

Ozzy Osbourne An eye, ear, nose and throat doctor must be on site when Ozzy arrives at the venue. The doctor must be able to administer a B12 shot and Decadron (anti-inflammatory) shot. The venue must provide two oxygen tanks, two masks and two regulators

The Beach Boys A licensed masseur/masseuse, qualified in either Swedish or Oriental deep muscle massage, must be available on day of engagement or any day off the artists have in the city. No form of advertising shall contain the word “oldies” in conjunction with the artists’ logo.


Meat Loaf A mask and one small tank of oxygen, which needs to be charged and ready

Aerosmith The venue must provide names and phone numbers of a throat specialist, a physician fully qualified in internal medicine, an osteo-podiatrist and a licensed chiropractor

David Bowie The venue must ensure a dressing room temperature of between 14C and 18C

Paul McCartney One large arrangement of white Casablanca lilies with lots of foliage for a dressing room containing off-white furniture

Metallica Four oxygen tanks. These shall be portable and equipped with masks and regulators if not inclusive of tank. Very important that bacon be available at every meal and during the day <<

Source: [www.timesonline.co.uk]



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