Re: Missing Bill's Sense of Swing
Date: July 21, 2006 02:35
> ok it's a little long. a little more than a
> little...i'll suspend myself from posting for
> but this one got to me.
> wyman is a genius bass player. genius. and perfect
> perfect perfectly in that swinging fatass pocket
> with charlie period. u don't get to be a band that
> big, & stay that big...and keep getting more and
> more hot and interesting and stay big for almost
> half a century...no matter how great your
> songwriters and front people are...without a
> rhythm section that is otherworldly phenomenal,
> comfortable with chaos...
> i don't miss it because the large majority of what
> i Primarily listen to
> is bill with brian or mickt or ronnie.
> i love darryl's stage presence and vibe, and some
> of the studio work he did for the Stones, with the
> Stones...thought he made a grand entrance with VL
> particularly, and do have respect for him...and
> the boyz aren't dopes...
> ...some of his spirited riffage is fun and
> definetly locked and loaded.
> but i've often whined here that he being such a
> virtuoso with a jazz background, could maybe
> (perhaps respectfully ala pino 'replacing' the ox)
> actually transcribe and learn bill's parts...and
> then shake it up a little or improvise...but holy
> moly...at least effin "reference" where those
> amazing songs come from,
> spiritually...physically....not just hanging on
> the root...
> or some tasty riffing around it...tho i have no
> contempt for his playing per se...and actually
> very much like his prescence...he needs to really
> give bill some huge mentorial respect in his
> personal mind. especially with the 'simplest'
> stuff...what i imagine darryl considers the more
> 'simple' war horses, like iorr etc...he's
> there...i ain't bitching bring back bill...
> i'm just sayin' what everybody knows dammit.
> i mean i don't know for sure how palladino
> approached his role, whether he "read" it...or
> transcribed it overnight for the tour that started
> directly after mr. enwhistle passed. point is...he
> is 'referencing', respecting...where he is and
> what the group's "musical" elements consisted of,
> stylistically etc...
> all you 'connected' folks
> here...shidobee...whoever is working with them, or
> knows them, or who works for them or something...
> maybe we at the forum can get transcriptions of
> the bass parts on most of the hugely changing
> setlist...and just make sure they "get" to him...
> with a heart and flowers...no dig...just like dig
> bill man.
> ok a fantasy but u get the point.
> a recent poster here who was lucky enuff to see a
> recent show was posting that darryl was "popping"
> his bass...i guess he, or she, meant kinda that
> 'slap' thing...do NOT bring that near the rolling
> stones please.
> you wouldn't do it to otis redding...it's out of
> context. not experimental or groovy. i like
> darryl's personal vibe tho...so darryl, listen to
> the records man, seriously...miles was
> miles...bill is an original member of the world's
> greatest rock 'n roll band. that is heavy shit.
> that is very heavy.
> not a utility player, and that's meant totally
> without personal attack; i'd attack if i
> wanted...but he does seem so nice and powers the
> stage show in a cool way...plus they went over my
> head when they hired him...they don't check shit
> out with me...eeediiiottss...
> maybe darryl's trying to really make a
> contribution, maybe the 'swing' thing is a 'feel'
> thing. more primitive than schooled...something
> one loves and 'comes from'...i know charlie comes
> from a 'jazz background' but he's got 44 years of
> amazing rock and roll records out and one or two
> indie jazz orchestra things...so case closed. and
> he was listenin' to that swingin' stuff & birdie,
> not the more avant garde miles stuff mostly. I
> THINK... as reflected in his jazz orchestra.
> yes i miss bill's sense of swing.
> charlie and bill, along with whatever
> guitarists...inventors and originators, even
> amidst the most derivative, beloved & hackneyed
> folk/blues progressions...
> they turned into something else...
> bubbleboy bemoans the obvious
> a perfect magical chemical fit...yeah i know he
> was the only one with a good amp...har har...
> alla that stuff before "modern"
> recording...speeding up and slowing down together
> like on ya-ya's...oh carol i think is one example,
> a mystical unit...i always still marvel at rt. 66
> from '64 camden...it is so obvious, and what a
> good recording...the rest of the band could have
> stopped playing in the same key as the others (as
> if that could ever happen) and it STILL wouldn't
> have wrecked the groove.
> the stuff i've seen him do live during exiles was
> and the little sucker never moved much more than
> his eyes.
> and his fingers.
> come to think of it, there was another with that
> same great lack of stage presence on the other
> side of the stage.
> come to think of it, it was the best rock and roll
> show i have ever been to in my life...i listen
> back to the boots thinking, 'no, man...u were
> young...think of everything you've seen before and
> after'...and it always comes up...
> the rolling stones. msg '72...and now i'm slowly
> getting more and more of the best shows from that
> tour...and thanks to an angel here, i've got live
> in ny.
> what a boost...i never imagined i'd hear that
> again, and have been trying to describe it to
> people for a longgggg time.
> yer thread tags bill as part and parcel of that
> amazing looping ascending, descending brutal and
> delicate punctuation...more thump and melody and
> virtuosity than he ever gets credit for. unless
> the credit is girls girls girls.
> plus he's a brilliant bass player.
Damn Beeleyboy, that was better than the original On The Road!