apparently the voting for this award, was carried out by Journalists, at the HT break of the final- long before Zidane's red card

ZiZou was the last wizard of this tournament!

Harm wrote:

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> I feel sorry for France that they also got fooled
> by the most unsportsmanlike team during that
> championship.

= Portugal without any doubt


They (and then you have to mention some others) have been unsportsmanlike
only on the field. Italy opened a new dimension outside the field.

But I don't want to complain anymore as it is needless as the FIFA is not far away from that behaviour.

I am in a good mood because we won the world cup and tomorrow night i am going to be at rolling stones open night so i suppose i should not answer these things but just smile and be sorry for you
but i just cant take this bs anymore

rknuth Wrote:
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> > How cold Zidane screw up his own team like
> that.....
>
> What I saw he was heavily offended by that Italien
> player so all his fuses burned out. What a pitty
> that his great career ended in such a way.
>
> I feel sorry for France that they also got fooled
> by the most unsportsmanlike team during that
> championship. I mean Australia was deceived in the
> last second.

Australia was gifted by pleying 11/10 for the entire 2half of the game for a red card to Materazzi that only unsportsmen like you can say it was deserved
If the penalty was for Australia and the referee did not call it, you would have written the same things now

>De Rossi had to be suspended for half
> a year for his foul against USA.

Maybe you got a bit hysterical here. 4 games for that idiot and violent fault were both well deserved and fair. Last night i saw a pretty elbow in the face of an italian player and a yellow card given. Last night I saw a penalty that I suggest you watch again and then come here to tell me that materazzi actually hit malouda.

The Italiens (tv,
> media) denunciate the German player Frings who got
> suspended for the match against Italy (that might
> be OK but just ask the FIFA why the Argentinien
> player who beat Frings first was not under
> investigation).

You are proven wrong. Maybe you read too much Bild these days. Bild, you know? that great racist and chauvinist magazine. Just because of the scandal here in Italy, the leaders of the Federation were very cautious to intervene. FIFA made it all and the images were pure arian-deutschland-uber-alles images.
And oh! by the way, De Rossi is a criminal that deserve life punishment for a violent play, while Frings is a victim of the system, of an evil trick... you sound so "italian"!


>
> And all in all the Italiens had to be suspended
> from the championships if it becomes clear that
> Italien players from the national team had frauded
> others in the Italien Series A championchip.

You must be nuts. Get informed before posting. The scandal here in Italy is not about players. It is about club managers and referees. Club managers who decided what referee should direct what match. Nothing to do with players.

>
> Sorry, but I have no understanding for imposter.
> So I even can't congratulate Italy for "getting"
> the cup.

I congratulate with you for your well deserved third place instead.

>
> And the best is that an Italien minister demands
> amnesty for the frauding players. I can't believe
> that Italien Ministers don't have any awareness of
> unjustice. Though after Berlousconi I think
> everything is possible.

Yes, right. Again there is no "frauding players" - maybe it is Bild that say so? - and it was the statement of one single minister that was immediately covered by a chorus of "NO" so that he was obliged to eat back his words.

All things that, probably, Bild does not publish and you are not interested in, i guess.

And, anyway, i dont play mandolin, i am not a mafia man, but i do eat pizza

take care

Adrian-L Wrote:
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> apparently the voting for this award, was carried
> out by Journalists, at the HT break of the final-
> long before Zidane's red card


Yeah, you're right. I would have been surprised if Zidane hadn't won. Last ode to a great player. Still strange after yesterday's card...

Yeh, even players of our National Team that play for Juventus and Milan have said that the fact that they won the cup should not let this huge scandal to be forgotten , those who have to pay must pay, even if it means serie C for them.

I'm waiting for the mid-summer sales in the major italian teams because of that scandal... There are a few of them I wouldn't mind having in my team!

[There'll be no wedding today...]

a French cameraman has been agressed, beaten and his material stolen by some Italian supporters in Roma

A real shame !!!

Cheezy ending for an inferior sport......

Will Zidane now be remembered for that one play?

Has Italy erased the pain of Baggio's penalty in 94?

1cdog Wrote:
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> Cheezy ending for an inferior sport......
Cheezy statement from an inferior brain that needs to post it twice as nobody couldn't care less about his rants.

"This time germany was best, but Italy made it"

that is quite an hilarious, and one eyed statement

andy js Wrote:
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> "This time germany was best, but Italy made it"
>
> that is quite an hilarious, and one eyed statement


But it hits the nail on its head!

if you come from Germany i guess it does. lol

Good for Italy. Now, those who criticize the red card gesture of Zidane, should be more moderate in the sense of waiting why he did that. Probably due to a xenophob, racist word from a non-angel italian player. I think this guy is not respected in his own country. Maybe he will be thrown to jail next week or the week after along with some other compatriots. That does not excuse what Zidane did. He got what he deserved and probably made France lose the cup. Italy won. Did they play better than France or Germany !!!!

I think Zidane deserved the award anyway.
I think players say bad words all the time (what if Materazzi's words were already an answer to some bad ones from Zidane)
Just these are the rules: you don't hit another player's chest with your head because of bad words.
But I guess if italians do things like that they're just criminals period.
Like Frings. He was the victim, wasn't he?

About the "good play" issue
Did France play better than Portugal in the semifinal?
Did Brazil play better than Ghana in the 8th of final?
Did England play better than Equador in the 8th of final?
Did Portugal play better than England in the 4th of final?
So please...

and did Italy play better than France yesterday ?

maumau Wrote:
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> I think Zidane deserved the award anyway.
> I think players say bad words all the time (what
> if Materazzi's words were already an answer to
> some bad ones from Zidane)
> Just these are the rules: you don't hit another
> player's chest with your head because of bad
> words.
> But I guess if italians do things like that
> they're just criminals period.
> Like Frings. He was the victim, wasn't he?
>
> About the "good play" issue
> Did France play better than Portugal in the
> semifinal?
> Did Brazil play better than Ghana in the 8th of
> final?
> Did England play better than Equador in the 8th of
> final?
> Did Portugal play better than England in the 4th
> of final?
> So please...


maumau, we are not so far away from each other. your examples are o.k., I agree. And I already admitted that Germany many many years played really ugly football (seen from technical and offense-playing point of view), but they made their way thru at least to the quarter finals and more. I think it is pretty similar with the italiens this time. In my opinion, they did only one good / very good game (they were a little better than germany, yeap - Germans tired cause of extra time against argentina) and as the germans in 2002 they had good luck getting finals with "easy" teams like australia and ukraine.

Well, your team has done it and once more congratulations ! I am not a bad looser, I am an objective and great football fan.

stonefan Wrote:
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> and did Italy play better than France yesterday ?

that is exactly what I meant: that is football, in one single match the weaker team can prevail.

Italy was weaker than France last night

but gave it all, did not lose the head, scored after the early penalty (may I dare say "dubious"), hit the crossbar, went under in the second half, resisted, was lucky, had Buffon great against zidane and henry, shot Perfect Penalties.
Is this enough for you to consider that we did not steal the cup?
Aren't Cannavaro and Pirlo two of the best players of the whole tournament?
I think so

I never said that you stole the cup.
But you are trying to say that Italy played a great football during the tournament which is not true.
You had a great deal of luck !
if you had won like France did against Brazil in 98, then, I would've made myself very small.
and I still want to know what materazzi said to zidane to make him react so bad



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2006-07-10 16:05 by stonefan.

natural-born-stonesfan Wrote:
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>
> maumau, we are not so far away from each other.
> your examples are o.k., I agree. And I already
> admitted that Germany many many years played
> really ugly football (seen from technical and
> offense-playing point of view), but they made
> their way thru at least to the quarter finals and
> more. I think it is pretty similar with the
> italiens this time. In my opinion, they did only
> one good / very good game (they were a little
> better than germany, yeap - Germans tired cause of
> extra time against argentina) and as the germans
> in 2002 they had good luck getting finals with
> "easy" teams like australia and ukraine.
>
> Well, your team has done it and once more
> congratulations ! I am not a bad looser, I am an
> objective and great football fan.

ok natural born stonesfan, infact i dont want to fight a war here alone
I understand, everyone does. Even Gattuso last night said it straight: "Sometimes we're not beautiful to see but we're tough".
What I don't understand is stereotype and prejudice, that's all.

To tell how I lived the game yesterday. When Zidane was shown the red card and we saw what he had done I screamed: "Oh no! Why did you do that?" He was frightening for us to have him in the game but is also so great to see him play and I do wanted him in until the end. I was not happy but disappointed and still i thought he "objectively" deserve that.

All I want to say is that these feelings and sportsmanship in general are more common here than sterotypes on Italians suggest.

BTW I WOULD LIKE TO INFORM YOU ALL THAT NO ITALIAN PLAYER IS GOING TO JAIL FOR WHAT IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW IN THE ITALIAN FOOTBALL FEDERATION.
Many team owners, team managers, referees and the former league commissioner will be banned from football for many years, Juventus, Milan, Lazio and Fiorentina are quite likely to be demoted to Serie B or Serie C, but no players are involved in any way in the scandal.
I guess they deserve a great applause for winning a cup in such a hard time for them.
Of course this is people that won't lose their job because of this, still it must be hard finding out all you did in the last few years has been destroyed by some worthless managers.

stonefan Wrote:
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> and did Italy play better than France yesterday ?

Yeah, France was easily the better team yesterday in my humble opinion. But, really that's besides the point. It's how many goals you score, not how well you play when football is concerned. I was hoping that France would have prevailed, but party crasher Zidane's horrible and totally inexcusable stunt screwed up the whole situation. I feel so sorry for the French team that was let down by Zidane. Zidane, one of the best players ever, surely deserved a better ending than this, but he's only got himself to blame. Damn you Zizou! I'm really disappointed at your unprofessional manners.

Congratulations to Italy!!!!!!

stonefan Wrote:
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> I never said that you stole the cup.

> But you are trying to say that Italy played a
> great football during the tournament which is not
> true.

where I said that? quote please

I said this was not a tournament marked by great tecnique players (Riquelme, Ronaldinho, Deco, Totti, Ballack). In this context the toughest team prevailed and, IMHO, rightly so.
The only great number 10 was Zidane. He could have scored last night against cannavaro and buffon and i would have said: "You won and rightly so"
He did not

> You had a great deal of luck !
> if you had won like France did against Brazil in
> 98, then, I would've made myself very small.
> and I still want to know what materazzi said to
> zidane to make him react so bad

Do you want also to check if De Rossi was told bad words or done tricky faults before he lose his head against USA? I dont. It never occured to me to try to find alibis for such an idiot and violent fault.

Still I admire zidane as a player and find it ridicolous that a moment of madness should delete all the good football he played in this tournament.
it is football
and italy last night won the world cup of this sport

maumau,

even yesterday you were lucky because a second penalty should've been given to France..
Just admit it !

stonefan Wrote:
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> maumau,
>
> even yesterday you were lucky because a second
> penalty should've been given to France..
> Just admit it !

France was given 6 penalties yesterday and they were not enough for them to win the game, that's it.

phd Wrote:
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> Good for Italy. Now, those who criticize the red
> card gesture of Zidane, should be more moderate in
> the sense of waiting why he did that. Probably due
> to a xenophob, racist word from a non-angel
> italian player. I think this guy is not respected
> in his own country. Maybe he will be thrown to
> jail next week or the week after along with some
> other compatriots. That does not excuse what
> Zidane did. He got what he deserved and probably
> made France lose the cup. Italy won. Did they play
> better than France or Germany !!!!

Zidane deserved a red HAD a referee seen him, but that was not the case. What happened, is the assistant clearly used the images from TV Cameras, to establish Zidane's gesture, and only then did the first referee give the card. Unlike in other sports, it is not allowed for Soccer referees to uses TV images to make or back their descision... Yet that's what happened in this case. According to the rules, Zidane shouldn't have got a red card.

My two cents.

JM

dunhill Wrote:
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> stonefan Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > maumau,
> >
> > even yesterday you were lucky because a second
> > penalty should've been given to France..
> > Just admit it !
>
> France was given 6 penalties yesterday and they
> were not enough for them to win the game, that's
> it.

You're totally blind, you don't want to see anything but the victory which I can understand on a human point of view.

But we could also talk about the first 10 minutes and the violent way Italian players started the game.

That's another shame too !

You are totally blind as well, you don't want to accept defeat.

Lots of opinions, incl. mine...That`s also a part of football, the talks before and after the matches...Good fun and often topic in pubs...But what about ? I think it`s time now to come back to

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!THE STONES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Agree?