This is a copy of a message just released from Sticky Fingers Journal, a Stones e-mail news service here in the US. "SkippY" is pretty hooked-up and apparently knows somebody in, or very near, the Stones camp who has been accurate before.

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Skip:

Stones to return to USA in 2006 Fall....First date is Sept. 28 2006
in Boston...Tour to run to either Nov. 16th or 26th..NYC is in Oct at
MSG...All info subject to change as you know. But this is how the
press release would read if it came out today. There will be NO small
shows and tickets should be about the same as before ...Set list will
be shorter but with some surprises... More info later.

Best to Misti

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I'm guessing the were comitted to this before the coconut tree incident which is why they simply didn't play the cancelled European dates in the fall.

So a commitment to maybe play the US weighs more than to play dates cancelled in Europe? Strange, since the euro shows were announced last year, and before eventual US shows...

Vilhelm
Nordic Stones Vikings

absolutely right, vilhelm

and yeah...sure..he knows what the setlist will be already...Jesus...

shorter shows too! no theatres! Great!

tour itinerary/length seems along the lines originally predicted though

$150 per stadium ticket versus $450 a stadium ticket is all the explanation you need. I bet you would change jobs for 3 times as much money. I would.

Steven Wrote:
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> $150 per stadium ticket versus $450 a stadium
> ticket is all the explanation you need. I bet you
> would change jobs for 3 times as much money. I
> would.

Ok, so you would just stand up and leave for the other job immiedately, not making sure you leave on a good note, knowing you fullfilled your commitments?

of course he would - what would you expect from mercenaries?

Cut the crap about European Stadium-shows in the Fall, there is NO stadium going to risk its beautiful grass after early september, even IF the stadium would be available, which it most probably is NOT. It is the start of the season, the grass doesn't recover very well in lower temperatures, and the winter is already long enough to keep the lawn in shape.

But this does not mean that the Stones tried to schedule the shows to the fall but were refused by the Stadium. I think it is likely that they didn't want/were not able to change the US Fall-tour.

Jelle

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R Wrote:
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> This is a copy of a message just released from
> Sticky Fingers Journal, a Stones e-mail news
> service here in the US. "SkippY" is pretty
> hooked-up and apparently knows somebody in, or
> very near, the Stones camp who has been accurate
> before.

Oh good lord, this is too hilarious for words.

sluissie Wrote:
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> Cut the crap about European Stadium-shows in the
> Fall, there is NO stadium going to risk its
> beautiful grass after early september, even IF the
> stadium would be available, which it most probably
> is NOT. It is the start of the season, the grass
> doesn't recover very well in lower temperatures,
> and the winter is already long enough to keep the
> lawn in shape.


Who said anything about expecting rescheduled Euro shows in the autumn?

Discussed to death weeks ago and written off over and over for the reasons youve restated above.

>
> But this does not mean that the Stones tried to
> schedule the shows to the fall but were refused by
> the Stadium. I think it is likely that they didn't
> want/were not able to change the US Fall-tour.
>
> Jelle

nope...the US shows were in the works for late september onwards before any European shows were postponed

Cant blame them for going ahead and playing them if they have venues and hotels booked (because that would mean about 35 shows being rearranged instead of about 12), but to do that and change 'postponed' Euro shows to 'cancelled'is still inexcusable unless theres health reasons for doing so - which, if the US tour info is correct, clearly isnt the case.

yeah, apparently it's his Uncle's,brother's, cousin's,
next door neighbour twice removed.

...go back to america and forget the eurpoean fan base, who made you so big

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Oh, give me the beat, boys, and free my soul
I wanna get lost in your rock and roll and drift away

TeleK Wrote:
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> ...go back to america and forget the eurpoean fan
> base, who made you so big

that would appear to be their attitude and plan

i lost 7 tíckets, train tix and hotel fees
i take the one left concert, and then i am finished.
i am no longer supporting this mania.
i will concetrate myself on newcomer bands,who are playing in clubs.
the whole stadium shows, it has become too big.
furthermore i am preparing for the end of the active stones.
fortunately the lps and cds and dvds are left :-)
if they tour in america, ok fine for america
if they tour in europe , fine for europe
i have seen them 9 or 10 times, that is enough.
sure i am excited about my left concert in munich,
but all the money,the long supporting and hoping for
an incredible summer in europe - this all was for nothing

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Oh, give me the beat, boys, and free my soul
I wanna get lost in your rock and roll and drift away



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maybe we did not show enough enthusiasm to have them coming to Europe.

Now we're punished, it's our fault !

They have already played 54 shows in the U.S. at the ABB tour. Plus 4 in Canada (how many people live in Canada? 18 millions?)

Just 21 confirmed all over Europe. Many cancelled. They’ve just kept our money since December.
Despite that it’s more important to do more shows in America.

Isn't it possible that:

1. They already had tentative agreements to play the U.S. in the fall well before the injury, so they couldn't reschedule the postponed Europeans shows for the fall. Also, they wouldn't have been able to play Europe in the fall anyway for the reasons discussed above (ie, European stadiums weren't available in the fall).

2. They postponed some European shows because at first they considered rescheduling them for 2007 but then decided that they would just be too tired, that a year and a half of rehearsals and touring is as much as they are able to do?

I'm not saying this is the case, I have no idea, but if so it seems like a reasonable course of action to me. Of course I know it still sucks to lose one's show and/or money on reservations, and of course the communication coming from the Stones camp could have been much better. They should have announced the cancellations instead of letting the news trickle out from local promoters. But I don't think the Stones are obligated to make up those shows in 2007 if they decided they've had enough of the road and want to take 2007 off.

Of course they were committed to the US shows.
And they were never likely to alter those plans for the benefit of re-arranged European dates. You can criticise them for that if you want [and plenty of us obviously have ;^) ] but it would make no logistical or financial sense whatsoever under any circumstances. Simple as that.

Canada's population is actually around 31 million....and I'm sorry I don't know Joe in Toronto! :-)

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Cuon the minisummertour

salar

The Fall shows in the States were in the hopper before Keef fell out of his tree.
The reason that none of the cancelled Euro shows can be rescheduled after the original end of the Euro tour leg is that Keef has a committment to film scenes for the third Pirates of the Carribean film in between the Euro and US tours.
It's just a damn shame he had to take that spill and we should ALL be thankful that he didn't end up dead or permanently impaired. The cancellation of the Euro shows has been a logistal and financial disaster for the band and its support staff.

taz22 Wrote:
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> Canada's population is actually around 31
> million....and I'm sorry I don't know Joe in
> Toronto! :-)

33 mil i think.

>But I don't
> think the Stones are obligated to make up those
> shows in 2007 if they decided they've had enough
> of the road and want to take 2007 off.

I'm sorry, but like every people in the world who work or have something to sell, once you've got the money, you have to do the job. It's a moral obligation, if this word means something for them.

I know for a fact that the Canadian promoters who ran the Ottawa show last summer were asked in March (6 weeks before Fiji) to stage a show in Newfoundland this autumn by the Stones management. When it could not be arranged satisfactorily, it was switched to Halifax. So the Stones were already planning a return to US/Canada this fall well before Japan, well before China and well before the Fiji accident.
There is no conspiracy against Europe! It's the accident's fault that the shows are cancelled.

Jumpinjackflash59 Wrote:
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> >But I don't
> > think the Stones are obligated to make up those
> > shows in 2007 if they decided they've had
> enough
> > of the road and want to take 2007 off.
>
> I'm sorry, but like every people in the world who
> work or have something to sell, once you've got
> the money, you have to do the job. It's a moral
> obligation, if this word means something for them.

I disagree. There are times when a business collects someone's money and then is unable to provide the service. In that case they have an obligation to give the customer prompt notification and a prompt refund; that apparently didn't happen in this case and it should have. But they aren't obligated to still provide the service.

ron091 Wrote:
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> I know for a fact that the Canadian promoters who
> ran the Ottawa show last summer were asked in
> March (6 weeks before Fiji) to stage a show in
> Newfoundland this autumn by the Stones management.
> When it could not be arranged satisfactorily, it
> was switched to Halifax. So the Stones were
> already planning a return to US/Canada this fall
> well before Japan, well before China and well
> before the Fiji accident.
> There is no conspiracy against Europe! It's the
> accident's fault that the shows are cancelled.

exactly...

but it sucks for anyone in Europe anyway, so i understand the anger & frustration...

ONNYA: "I disagree. There are times when a business collects someone's money and then is unable to provide the service. In that case they have an obligation to give the customer prompt notification and a prompt refund; that apparently didn't happen in this case and it should have. But they aren't obligated to still provide the service."

But we're not talkin coconut palmtree fallin here:
Its a l o c o carousel of postponements that transformed into
cancellations so that whole countries did lose their shows.
We're mad like hell over here!

ron091 Wrote:
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> I know for a fact that the Canadian promoters who
> ran the Ottawa show last summer were asked in
> March (6 weeks before Fiji) to stage a show in
> Newfoundland this autumn by the Stones management.
> When it could not be arranged satisfactorily, it
> was switched to Halifax. So the Stones were
> already planning a return to US/Canada this fall
> well before Japan, well before China and well
> before the Fiji accident.


correct


> There is no conspiracy against Europe! It's the
> accident's fault that the shows are cancelled.


absolute bollocks

It was the accident that caused the dates to be postponed. Which is fair enough and thankfully Keith has recovered so that he is able to continue the tour

If the accident hasnt resulted in autumn 2006 US dates being cancelled, then it sure as hell isnt to blame for Europe 2007 shows being cancelled as they were postponed originally until an unspecified date AFTER the US shows

seriously - how difficult is this for some people to grasp?

Baboon Bro Wrote:
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> ONNYA: "I disagree. There are times when a
> business collects someone's money and then is
> unable to provide the service. In that case they
> have an obligation to give the customer prompt
> notification and a prompt refund; that apparently
> didn't happen in this case and it should have. But
> they aren't obligated to still provide the
> service."
>
> But we're not talkin coconut palmtree fallin
> here:
> Its a l o c o carousel of postponements that
> transformed into
> cancellations so that whole countries did lose
> their shows.
> We're mad like hell over here!

I agree that the whole postponement/cancellation/lack of communication thing was handled badly and said so in my post. I agree you have a right to be mad at that, and a right to be dissappointed that you lost your shows. We're on the same page!

Bro, you could fly over and join ohno and myself in Atlanta for a rumored Fox Theatre show. The key is to re-finance one's home or go without food for a couple of months.



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