I don't think Taylor/Richards are considered master weaving interlocking rhythm guitarists. I don't think anything like this was ever said by Keith or Mick Taylor, only that the band has 2 lead guitarists. They sure did trade off solo's nicely though.

Weaving as I know it is more like this discription....


The band is built around a two-guitar sound, itself an extension of Richards' own uniqueness. He helped blur forever the line between lead and rhythm guitar, substituting a riffing technique in which melodic embellishments are grafted onto a rigorous rhythmic treatment of chords, partial chords and low-register lines.


We never really consciously worked (parts) out (between Keith and I); they just kind of happened. He played most of the riffs on the songs, and I played most of the solos.

- Mick Taylor, 1979


My playing relationship with Mick Taylor was always very good. There is no way I can compare it to playing with Brian, because it had been so long since Brian had been interested in the guitar at all, I had almost gotten used to doing it all myself - which I never really liked. I couldn't bear being the only guitarist in a band, because the real kick for me is getting those rhythms going, and playing off of another guitar. But I learned a lot from Mick Taylor, because he is such a beautiful musician. I mean, when he was with us, it was a time when there was probably more distinction, let's say, between rhythm guitar and lead guitar than at any other time in the Stones. More than now and more than when Brian was with us, because Mick Taylor is that kind of a player; you know he can do that...

- Keith Richards, 1979

Bassplayer - DIRECTLY on point. The MT era coincided with the peak of Mick and Keith's songwriting. I couldn't agree more with your post.

You don't need quotes, you only need ears..............to listen to Ya-Yas, (and other boots) to hear Taylor/Richards dual Rhythm stuff.

dj,

and with Jagger/Taylor songwriting.

besides, there's more than song-writing, there's song-playing song arrangement and musicianship.

BW and CW also had an input on those levels during the 'MT era'.

put on thr headsets on ya yas and listen to taylor's chunky rhythm on carol,
Little Queenie,Live with me .taylor and keith had interplay and this whole weaving thing is keith feeding the rock magazines to cover up the fact that the stones had no real lead guitarist after taylor left.

the notion that taylor did nothing after he left the stones is nuts he probably has played on more records than jagger and keith with all his collaborations since he left.the stones setlist since 1981 have been from songs from the golden
era so that must mean something and taylor was part of the contributions.

put on a stones record since some girls and sure they have groove but alot of the
material had no substance and really the records were not great,filled with alot of
filler songs. the stones went from making great records since taylor left to writing only a couple of good songs on each record.

If you are not great musicians then the songs and lyrics have to be strong to
support the record.keith can only go so far with open tunings before all the riffs and walkdown pattersn and slides start to sound the same.His guitar is
stale and when was the last great riff that he wrote that you said wow i want to
learn how to play that someday.Wood never improved as a guitarist in over 30 years with the stones which he real sad to say.

mick taylor still has vibrato and his playing is fresh and has substance you want
to hear more as a listener.sorry but I only want to listen to keith on acoustic
these days instead of electric.keith is more challenged on acoustic and you have a better chance of hearing something new and interesting and not the same old
retreads.

OpenG can you post some recent Taylor MP3's that we can enjoy?

(I want to hear how much Mick Taylor has improved in 30 years- haha just kidding)

Seriously I would love to hear something more recent.

Thanks
Mark

Glass Slide--- I love SRV too! Wish I had seen him play live.

jseb Wrote:
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> I think you can say everything you want, mick
> taylor brought something to the stones... it's
> true that he hasn't the carism of ron, keith or
> mick j., but consider the ablbums studio 69-74 :
> yes he didn't compose those songs, but they'd not
> be as beautiful if he hadn't played his part of
> guitar on them...
>
> he wasn't the leader, but he did a great job when
> he was a stone - you can not denie it.

EXACTLY !! Who really gives a toss whether THEY did something for HIM or HE did something for THEM or whether HIM leaving was good or bad for the either the Stones or for himself ............... that's all largely irrelevant. Just look at the musical contribution, pure and simple. They gave him songs, he embellished them. It's really that simple. Did he do a good job ? Yes, pretty much. Did he co-write those tunes ? As far as we know, pretty much no. There are exceptions ...... Time waits for no-one is an obvious one, there are no doubt others.

Miss U. Wrote:
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> Glass Slide--- I love SRV too! Wish I had seen
> him play live.


Was lucky enugh to have seen him twice---2 ripping performances--a bar in Albany (no kidding) and the pier on the westside of Manhattan.

Usually when you compare elements of alive performance to the record, that is not good--SRV however--had that same great tone--same flair for playing, seemingly, at least, anything he wanted when he wanted--the music just poured out of him.

different guitarist for a different time.

for example, Some Girls never would have happened with MT.

i dont take sides.

After all it seems rather ridiculous to take sides. But the many threads about Mick Taylor on this board show how much he is missed.
Every band is based on the chemistry so the Stones never really were only Mick and Keith. Even the best musicians rely on great partners in their bands to bring out the best music. Therefore Mick T, Charlie and Bill were crucial for Mick and Keith. You join a great band and you become great yourself - what's the hen and what's the egg?
Perhaps the endless Mick Taylor threads are an answer to the oldies/greatest hits act the Stones represent nowadays. I haven't been to a concert but the setlists lack any creativity.

Bass617, excuse me, but that Taylor is nothing outside the Stones
is mainly bs. Have you heard him lately? Let go there were a little bit more
magic back in Exile days; he plays them Exile-songs now and does it well.
He is a very interesting solo artist; and the 1971-72 magic will never come back,
neither as the Stones nor with that geezer as a guest.
Just face reality.

> If Mick and Keith hadn't written those songs, your man Mick T would've had
> nothing to play with.
> On his own, he's nothing. THIS is the part you can't reconcile yourself with, > isn't it?

Oh well, your nick bassplayer suggests to me you are playing bass, right? I would imagine you have a bit of a clue of music and especially of the Stones. If you would have digged a bit deeper in what you said above you would have come to a different conclusion!

> If Mick and Keith hadn't written those songs, your man Mick T would've had
> nothing to play with.
> On his own, he's nothing. THIS is the part you can't reconcile yourself with, > isn't it?

That is the most moronic comment I have ever heard on IORR !

Not as 'moronic' a message than starting a thread about the stones jacking it in then eh Esky????

Can You Spell VIBRATO better yet Listen To It -

Openg, you show me your Vibrato and I'll show you mine.......

Simple thing: Mick Taylor is one of the greatest guitarists all time. He is playing in the Champions League of guitarists like Jimi Hendrix, Johnny Winter, Django Reinhardt, Rory Gallagher, Stevie Ray Vaughn ...

Esky Wrote:
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> > If Mick and Keith hadn't written those songs,
> your man Mick T would've had
> > nothing to play with.
> > On his own, he's nothing. THIS is the part
> you can't reconcile yourself with, > isn't it?
>
>
> That is the most moronic comment I have ever heard
> on IORR !


Esky you are the king of moronic posts so don't worry it is not even close to some of yours. Sod off troll!



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Glass Slide Wrote:
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> Miss U. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Glass Slide--- I love SRV too! Wish I had
> seen
> > him play live.
>
>
> Was lucky enugh to have seen him twice---2 ripping
> performances--a bar in Albany (no kidding) and the
> pier on the westside of Manhattan.
>
>

Saw him thrice in SF in the early to mid-80's. First time in Dec 83 at the Kabuki Theater was easily the best. Before substance abuse kicked in and before hiring Reese Wynans to augment the sound (not a good move).

I have only one thing to say!!!!

Bring him back for one night and let's SEE what the Stones sound like with
him (and Bill Wyman) on those golden tunes from the 70's!!!

MLC

Another Monday, another Mick Taylor's thread...
What a surprise.

Its like your monday morning cup of coffee or tea you got to have the vibrato
to mix in with your everday life. life is better with vibrato for me

OpenG your starting to scare me again.......

vibrato in the coffee? one or two lumps?

I have said a 100 times this discussion is as meaningless as discussing if red or blue is a better color. It's taste and nothing more. Most people go to Stones shows because they want to listen to the band not to listen to the greatest drummer or bass player or guitar player. You may have an opinion but you may not say that one or the other is better for others. And please show some respect or I just have to close this thread. Thank you.

Bjornulf

Wekk BV

You can't speak for everybody around here. I went to see the Stones back in
1969 72 & 73 mainly because I wanted to see my favorite two guitarists
that worked together and (IMO)the best stage presence at that time (M. Jagger)

Jagger was at his best in 1969 I always thought,

the movie: Gimme Shelter can be used as an example

also saw Ronnie's 1st inclusion - 1975

But the reason I (and alot of my friends) went to see the Stones was because of:

Jagger, Taylor & Richards

I have always liked Charlie,then Bill

but I wasn't there to see the "band"...

Just like with the Beatles, you went to see/hear Paul & John
George / Ringo???


MLC

Taylor had the sound but Ronnie has the moves. Who cares about Woods playing when you can play air- guitar like him!

Meg -

Watch it!!!

MLC

Of course, Bjornulf is right. We've had 5 pages of pointless opinions, starting with a tongue-in-cheek bit of sarcasm from yours truly.

The punch-line is: many of you took it seriously.

Threads like this prove nothing, solve nothing, and don't change anyone's opinions.

If BV wants to close the thread, then I'm all for it.

MLC-- would like an answer as to why you don't also post on mt.net??

Glass Slide--- I heard SRV could play rhythm & lead at the same time; is this unique? Lucky you!



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