i definetly notice shomething is different in the crowds at stones shows today vs in the 70`s- like at the 1/20 msg show there was a guy standing up in the front row of the section and he was the ONLY ONE IN THE SECTION standing up- everyone else around me was getting mad at him for standing- the crowds are definetly lamer then they have ever been

In the 70's we were stoned on acid & weed, the Stones on junk & weed. It's a totally different era. I think it's that simple (where's that joint?)

vox12string:
You just speak out of my mouth.
Today we are either clean or wrecked.
But it is still the Rolling Stones

It's the difference between night and day IMO...........

It might have something to do with the audience also being a hell of a lot older, I also didnt slam dance at a hardcore show for the last 15 years!

But the playing, no comparison, then awesome, now good,big difference

Mick Taylor-thats the big difference

A lot of first generation Stones fans are in their 60's. They have back problems, knee problems, kidney problems, diabetes, etc. For those people, its not that easy to jump up and down in their third tier seats like little weenies. Trust me, I'm a doctor.

To me, the Stones were freaks then. They aren;t anymore. They have always changed and tried to become a new "act". Unfortunatley, today's act lacks the spontienty and craziness of the 70s shows. Let's face it, when you watch those shows from the 70s, you never knew what was going to happen next.
How much cooler can Keith be in this show and will he make it through the show? (Knebworth 76)?

What would Jagger do next? Is this guy for real?

What kind of killer riff is Woody going to play on this song?

What kind of magic will Mick Taylor pull out on that song?

You could always count on Bill and Charlie to hold the whole thing together.


It is probably age. They knew they couldn;t go on like that. So what can they do now? A smooth controlled show. That's what we get. It's still good, but to me, not the "greatest Rock and Roll" show out there but who can sustain being that for 40 years?

Maybe they'll go back to playing clubs. it would certainly be a more dignified way to go into their 70s. As fans, I'm sure 95% would sell our kids to see that show.

I suppose we should be happy that we have new music and tours to talk about. I for one will always look at them as those extremely talented peole who put on tremendous shows in the 60s and 70s. Just like I'll always look at my wife as though she were 25 years old and 100 lbs , my kids like they are still 6 years old, and myself like I'm a ripped, jacked, gorgeous 25 year old Italian-American man that every 18 year old girl in the US wants to mate with.

Ahhh living in the past. It's great, ain't it??

Looking forward to see them in Horsens June 8 - it is an open air concert with standing room ONLY - or sitting on the ol' grass or mud..

Actually I'm going to the concert on my 50th birthday!!!

I think everyone is missing the main reason here. All the fan control started around when festival seating was basically eliminated (especially in the US) starting around when the all those kids got trampled to death in Cincinnati at the Who show.

Now you have seating in all stadium and arena shows. Security men at every entrance and posted in all aisles.

Back in mid to late 70's and prior to that everything was basically a free for all. First come, closer you get. Everybody on the floor stood. Remember getting hosed down in outdoor shows in the hot summer? All the humidity created from everyone being sandwiched together. People pushing and shoving to get into the best position.

Those days are over. Now people whine about how much they paid for their seat and don't obstruct their view. Everything is crowd control. Flashlights checking stubs, security clearing aisles, no smoking, all must behave!!!

Its called controling the fan and it spreads like a virus.

Cafaro Wrote:
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> To me, the Stones were freaks then. They aren;t
> anymore. They have always changed and tried to
> become a new "act". Unfortunatley, today's act
> lacks the spontienty and craziness of the 70s
> shows. Let's face it, when you watch those shows
> from the 70s, you never knew what was going to
> happen next.
> How much cooler can Keith be in this show and
> will he make it through the show? (Knebworth 76)?
>
> What would Jagger do next? Is this guy for real?
>
> What kind of killer riff is Woody going to play
> on this song?
>
> What kind of magic will Mick Taylor pull out on
> that song?
>
> You could always count on Bill and Charlie to hold
> the whole thing together.
>

AMEN. They were crazy, all of them in different ways and they sommunicated with their audience. They were reckless and full of surprises, now they are pressed flowers just like Keith said.

The other day I was listening to the "crowd" during the 1972 movie,

Ladies & Gentelman the Rolling Stones

God they were LOUD!!!! don't hear that kind of crowd reaction to live
bands anymore, but they were being exposed to the BEST DAMN music ever
produced Live - at the time!!!!!


MLC

it's called Youth...........endless energy and full of piss'n'vinegar

Hre in old Holland we never ever sit down!!!!!I Rio they wont be sitting either....it might be the old hamburger problem...wich elvis cant talk about anymore..to much junkfood makes whole crowds sitting down!!!How boring..it should be a party its not Yes or something.(during the sventies some crowds did sit down!!)but not at stones gigs!In SanDiego 69 the crowd sat down part of the show..but that was cause they was to stoned!!!.

Well ,youth .....(sigh) !
Seems that most of us are old farts looking back to the good old days when every crazy thing was possible.
I just don't buy this idea (I am 44).Sure we were more daring, more spontaneous, unchained with family and professional obligations and pissing on whatever was called respectability.
But I believe that ,today, we are still the same inside.The 60's and 70's have printed something strong in our mind which is still there but a little bit sleepy.
Don't know about you but when I get to play in a band (which happens time to time ) I can be as wild as I was 25 years ago,I can drink and smoke as much and look for girls (even if nowadays it's only for fun...most of the time..).
To conclude ,if we could get together (all of us posting on this board) and attend a Stones gig ,wouldn't it be as crazy as an ambience as the concerts in 72 or 75?

That would be fun f fun!!!

rooster Wrote:
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> Hre in old Holland we never ever sit down!!!!!I
> Rio they wont be sitting either....it might be the
> old hamburger problem...wich elvis cant talk about
> anymore..to much junkfood makes whole crowds
> sitting down!!!How boring..it should be a party
> its not Yes or something.(during the sventies some
> crowds did sit down!!)but not at stones gigs!In
> SanDiego 69 the crowd sat down part of the
> show..but that was cause they was to stoned!!!.


Hey Rooster!....have you ever been to the Vera Club in Groningen?........WILD'N'CRAZY!!!!

Ys I did here in Old Holland we still have a lot of Punk around!!!Gabba hey!!!!

rooster Wrote:
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> Ys I did here in Old Holland we still have a lot
> of Punk around!!!Gabba hey!!!!


Do they still pound their bottles on the stage?

MLC, have to ask.....why don't you also post on mt.net?