Anybody remember the title, year of release, label and what was on that record?

I remember getting the Chess out-takes ep really early on, roughly the same time as Liver', around 1970. Brians blues, long version of 2120, can't be more specific tho.

Black Dust Records 'Greatest Group On Earth' with an terrible artwork
but I can't remember the year or the songs except I'm Free.

"Liver than you'll ever be" - TMQ Made in Holland, released 1970
Lim. edition on yellow vinyl
Live in Oakland, Cal., Coliseum, nov. 9 1969, 2nd show
Cover: white sleeve, title stamped in blue ink

- Love in Vain
- Midnight rambler
- Little Queenie
- Honky Tonk Women
- Street fighting man

- Gimmie shelter
- Sympathy for the devil
- I'm free
- Live with me

Greatest Group on Earth is a later release of this.

Susan

Stripped Companion 2004 - I thought all boots sounded this good!!!!!

voodoo Wrote:
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> "Liver than you'll ever be" - TMQ Made in Holland,
> released 1970
> Lim. edition on yellow vinyl
> Live in Oakland, Cal., Coliseum, nov. 9 1969, 2nd
> show
> Cover: white sleeve, title stamped in blue ink



Ehhh, Studio...

I got Beautiful Delilah and Bright Lights Big City back in 1971 or something I think. Must be one of the first ever studio outtake vinyl bootlegs. Original ones. Cost me around 1 pounds 50 from the dealer in UK. When UK was the main source of this rubber stamp stuff. Precious with original sleeves and vinyl of course. Liver Than You'll Ever Be and Live in Detroit are both very early live albums.

Bjornulf

bv Wrote:
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> I got Beautiful Delilah and Bright Lights Big City
> back in 1971 or something I think. Must be one of
> the first ever studio outtake vinyl bootlegs.
> Original ones. Cost me around 1 pounds 50 from the
> dealer in UK. When UK was the main source of this
> rubber stamp stuff. Precious with original sleeves
> and vinyl of course. Liver Than You'll Ever Be and
> Live in Detroit are both very early live albums.
>
> Bjornulf


Are the songs on these boots not mostly live BBC recordings? I have them back home but can't quite remember.

You can check my very old site most of them I bought 72' 75' in my home town there where some shops who sold them I remeber there where lot's of them, pitty I didn't by more at the time.

Nico

[home.wanadoo.nl]

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This makes me wonder if we'll ever hear outtakes from newer releases like "A Bigger Bang". With the new technology it seems like it could be tough.

Beautiful Delilah - Some tracks from Saturaday Club 63-64 the rest studio out-takes....Bright Lights is mainly Chess material





ROCKMAN

i'm so easily confused: is your question objective or subjective, Potted Shrimp?
i mean: are you asking what the first Stones studio bootleg that ever existed was,
or asking us to name the first ones we personally owned?

First one I remember seeing and buying was Liver than you'll Ever Be back in 1970

Dylan's Great White Wonder was the first bootleg ever.
Live'r was the 2nd bootleg ever, and of course the first Stones bootleg.
Live From Detroit 1969 was the 2nd ever Stones bootleg.

anybody know how early Hyde Park '69 was released?....could of swore i read that it was the first live boot of the Stones released

I could look it up, Leonard.
But I have to walk 4 stairs. There's 5 floors in "my" house. And I don't wanna take the stairs, 'cos I lost a few buttons on my trousers, hope they won't fall down. You don't want my trousers to fall down, now do you?
(OK, I'll go and check.)

Erik_Snow Wrote:
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> I could look it up, Leonard.
> But I have to walk 4 stairs. There's 5 floors in
> "my" house. And I don't wanna take the stairs,
> 'cos I lost a few buttons on my trousers, hope
> they won't fall down. You don't want my trousers
> to fall down, now do you?
> (OK, I'll go and check.)


just look at it this way Erik....the Stones are helping to keep you in shape.........thanks Mick_Snow!

Hi Leonard. Well, according to my sources, there wasn't any releases of Hyde Park 1969, before 1980... Could that be right?
But, I'm sure about the Live'r and Detroit as 1st and 2nd.
So, correct me if you can, but Hyde Park started circulating in 1980.

Erik_Snow Wrote:
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> Hi Leonard. Well, according to my sources, there
> wasn't any releases of Hyde Park 1969, before
> 1980... Could that be right?
> But, I'm sure about the Live'r and Detroit as 1st
> and 2nd.
> So, correct me if you can, but Hyde Park started
> circulating in 1980.


thanks for checking Erik....i'm doin' a little detective work myself...i'm looking at a Stones book by Roy Carr from '76...and it lists the Hyde Park boot....so, it had to come out in '76 or before....were narrowing it down here



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Good question re: the first Stones studio bootleg. I honestly dont know. I would imagine its something from the BBC sessions

The first Stones bootleg of any kind was the Hyde Park one. I always believed it was Live R Than You'll Ever Be, but it seems Hyde Park was out first. The first European-pressed Stones bootleg I believe was the one from the radio broadcast from the Paris show in 1970. Reason I know this is because the guy who taped it originally is a good friend of mine and a few others on here..!

Great White Wonder (in July 1969) was the first rock bootleg, but another early one that everyone has left out was "Kum Back" which came out shortly afterwards and consisted of a rough version of the Beatles' aborted 'Get Back' album.

Biggest surprise is that it took the rock and pop industry so long to get into the bootleging business. There had been bootleg recordings in opera and jazz for decades before it, with the first known opera boot dated from around 1901

(just reading what you guys are saying above about Hyde Park not circulating until 1980. That doesnt seem likely. The show was broadcast on tv in September 1969, which I presume was a source used for any early bootlegs, surely..?)



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Not sure if it was first but Liver Than You'll Ever Be was released approx two months before Ya Ya's September 1970 release


But Potted Shrimp is after title..etc of first studio boot.

Bright Lights Big City - TMOQ 71075...
Diddley Daddy..Road Runner...Bright Lights Big City..I Want To Be Loved..Baby What's Wrong IBC Studios, March 11 1963..Stewed and Keefed..High-Heel Sneekers..Tell Me Baby..Down In The Bottom Chess Studios, June 10-11 1964 Looking Tired RCA Los Angeles September 5-6 1965

Tumbling Dice I..Tumbling Dice II..Bluesberry Jam..Shake Your Hips Cinema Montreux May 17-21 1972

Beautiful Delilah -TMOQ 71021....
Sat Club 1693-1964 material plus Chess material





ROCKMAN

You're very knowledgeable Gazza, but you know that allready.
I read about the Detroit 69 being the 2nd Stones bootleg, 2 places. One of them was (I think) something written by Dieter Hoffmann, and the other one was a "Hot Wacks" book. I know these books have a lot of mistakes, but this article was a very good one, before the listings in the book began.
Very surprising that Hyde Park 69 was first!
Are you sure it wasn't a LP-R??

an LP-R..brilliant!

I'm relyIng on nemory here, so I may be wrong..I have Clinton Heylin's "Great White Wonders" book around the house somehere..I think it mentions the first few rock boots in order..I;ll have to check it tomorrow..

Dieter's a great source and a great guy too. If "Bright Lights.." was the first studio Stones boot, that would be ironic as it was also the first Stones studio boot I ever obtained (albeit about 12 years later and on tape!)



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GRAVESTONES & RAPE OF THE VAULTS was mine..obviously vinyl. Bought it in Cottesloe, in Western Australia, in a long-gone 2nd hand clothes shop that had a bin containing 30 or so bootlegs!!!

Followed a few weeks later with a plain white covered boot, white labels, no artwork of ANY kind, that I did not know until years later was (is) Liver than you'll Ever Be (the version of I'm Free on this is seminal).

Rgds
Rod

I think that the BIRGHT LIGHTS BIG CITY bootleg was the first one with studio recordings: five tracks IBC 1962, some Chess material, and three tracks from the 1972 Montreux rehearsals for the US tour 1972.

In Clinton Heylin's book the story is told how the bootlegger got hold of the tape where he made the record from. Of course, there have been many re-issues. Unfortunately, the Stones themselves never released the IBC or Chess tapes which are nont classics but great to listen to. Even the 1963 studio recordings 'Memphis Tennessee' and Roll over Beethoven' were officially only released on vinyl but as far as I know never on a CD.

In the early 70ties I was member of the rolling stones fanclub (Netherlands) I can't recall the name ( have to search in my old shoeboxes)

I remember that the founder of this Fanclub has a big collection of bootlegs in that time (he sure kwows the anwser).

Only I lost track of him maybe one of you know him "Sjaak Jorritsma"

Let me know so I can contact him.

Nico

NICOS Wrote:
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> In the early 70ties I was member of the rolling
> stones fanclub (Netherlands) I can't recall the
> name ( have to search in my old shoeboxes)
>
> I remember that the founder of this Fanclub has a
> big collection of bootlegs in that time (he sure
> kwows the anwser).
>
> Only I lost track of him maybe one of you know him
> "Sjaak Jorritsma"
>
> Let me know so I can contact him.
>
> Nico


Sjaak still lives in Hoorn I believe and was also involved with Stone People Europe. Don't have an adress. Sorry.

I remember buying Bright Lights Big City and Beautiful Delilah back in 1972, but in terms of the latter I would claim that half of the tracks included on it are not actual outakes at all, but official releases.

A year later, I bought an extended play disc (Orange Vinyl) entitled Cops & Robbers which consisted of four tracks from the Saturday Club. Apart from the aforementioned, there was Memphis Tennessee, Fanny Mae and a rather frantic Roll Over Beethoven. Played the bloody thing to death I did.

While, we are at it, what was the first CD bootleg with the Stones? I believe Brussels Affair is from 1988, but that can't be THE first.
(The first ones I bought was Passaic 1978, Welcome To New York and Dragon Slayers, in 1993.)

Had only owned a CD player for a few weeks when a friend arrived back from Japan with The Live Rolling Stones for me...first Stones CD boot I'd seen....my guess possibly around 88-89.






ROCKMAN



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