Listening to those tracks on the "Mick Taylor and Peter Karp" thread just makes me wonder...

What in the &^%$#@! is wrong with this guy ??

Is he just star-crossed with bad luck ?? If so, maybe he's the "hope" of a blues revival...

I just DO NOT GET THIS...

Okay, the guy leaves the Stones, bad move, incredibly dumb...

BUT he can RECOVER... he can get a NEW BAND together... why hasn't he ??

What's so &^%$# difficult about this guy putting a new band together with longevity... drummer, bass player, singer, maybe some keyboards... a few songs to get going.

Why has it been impossibly difficult for this brilliant musician to keep a stable high-quality band (albeit not the Stones level, but a good workmanlike band) together ???

"It's just that demon life has got me in it's sway..."



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2005-12-29 22:20 by BornOnTheBayou.

he did maintain a working band for most of the 90's...personnel changes here and there, but for the most part it was a working unit. good core group of songs, too. what's the problem again?

T&A Wrote:
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> he did maintain a working band for most of the
> 90's...personnel changes here and there, but for
> the most part it was a working unit. good core
> group of songs, too. what's the problem again?


Well the problem is he never got out of that "journeyman" status...

Eric Clapton was able to go from "band to band", and consistently produce hits...

Maybe Clapton just selected his bandmates better, who knows...

But after the Stones Taylor was never able to achieve much of anything in terms of album sales, concert dollars, mega-hits...

Undoubtedly some, OR MOST of this "shiftlessness" is due to his management or lack therof rather than mistakes on his part...


"It's just that demon life has got me in it's sway..."



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2005-12-29 23:00 by BornOnTheBayou.

Taylor is a fantastic player, but not an exceptionally good songwriter or a frontman.
In my opinion he should be a "bandmeber" instead a "band leader". When he is playing with Wentus Blues Band he is somewhere between the two roles. Maybe he should form a band with a very charismatic leadsinger who could write songs together with Taylor.

Eningma? The guy was at the right place at the right time in 1969. Timing is everything and that was good timing.

Leaving in 1974, bad idea. Does the cliche "going from a hero to a zero" sound familiar?

and by the by - leaving the Stones may have been unfortunate for the Stones (or maybe not depending on your perspective), but it's widely believed that had MT not left he'd not be alive today. So, from that standpoint it was an incredibly brilliant move on his part.

yeah, he was coked out and needed to get out at the time. Better to be alive than become another r&r tragedy.

yep yep yep.....better a living fool than a dead legend

or a living legend than a dead fool....

T&A Wrote:
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> or a living legend than a dead fool....


out-clevered again!

t@a wrote:


>or a living legend than a dead fool



damn right!

although they say death can be a great career move...did wonders for SRV's sales....

He should put together a band with Bill Wyman. Just blues! That would rock. In fact he isn't the big leader (and never tried to be) but he should put a bit more afford to his career. I don't know if it's enough to have his girl friend doing his management (though she's also the most kindly woman taking care of Mick). All he wants to do is just playing!

rknuth Wrote:
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All he wants to do is
> just playing!


Well maybe that sums it up... maybe he's happy doin' what he's doin...

And all the while he was in the Stones he was just looking forward to being a journeyman guitarist playing clubs...

Who knew?


"It's just that demon life has got me in it's sway..."

the Enigma of Mick Taylor is deep blue and shy

when he's not carried away by the strong minds of Keith & Mick - or somebody else,
he's just too shy - he won't step out - he feels too blue.
He's a tragic romantic loser

I think he knows that if he were going to have big commercial success it would have happened in the '70s or '80s at the latest. Therefore he is content to play blues and Stones songs in small clubs for a few thousand dollars a night. Which is still a pretty nice lifestyle if you think about it!

do you really think so - a few thousand dollars????
wow - in that case he 's a lucky shy guy!

he's a full-time musician, right? i mean, he doesn't moonlight as a waiter or something, does he?
that's a lot more success than most people can dream of ...

The enigma about Mick Taylor is that the Stones pulled him from obscurity and he has been riding (limping really) the "I was once a Stone" for 30 years, without much success.

Had the Stones never hired him, most likely he would have become a session player, a hired gun.

Milo, NYC
Don't look back

open-g Wrote:
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> the Enigma of Mick Taylor is deep blue and shy
>
> when he's not carried away by the strong minds of
> Keith & Mick - or somebody else,
> he's just too shy - he won't step out - he feels
> too blue.
> He's a tragic romantic loser

I have a far different take on this...

Mick's a Capricorn... and as I'm sure the Cappies on this board will attest, you would not usually call them the types that "won't step out" or "losers"...

In fact, Cappies are the "winners" of the zodiac...

I really read MT's departure from the Stones as "jumping off a sinking ship"... I really believe that MT thought there were these "greener pastures ahead"... and as a practical Capricorn he attempted to step to the "next level"...

Instead he found there was no next level...

What I don't get is why he hasn't been able to RECOVER and put something really wonderful together. The more I think about this the more I blame management or more likely, the LACK of proper management of this guy. Almost ANYBODY could have "interviewed" some great songwriter/musicians and matched them up with MT and produced some really great music... but nobody did.



"It's just that demon life has got me in it's sway..."

drugs simple as that.......i guess you could say the enigma of brian jones as well...enigma of drugs...its seems vey hard to run w/ kieth for a long time.....no one has been able to really go or handle it, lots have tried

tat2you Wrote:
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> drugs simple as that.......i guess you could
> say the enigma of brian jones as
> well...enigma of drugs...its seems vey hard
> to run w/ kieth for a long time.....no
> one has been able to really go or handle
> it, lots have tried


Was MT that stoned out when he left ??


"It's just that demon life has got me in it's sway..."

>> no one has been able to <<

um ... what?? four famously long-term cohorts come to mind.

BornOnTheBayou Wrote:
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> rknuth Wrote:
> And all the while he was in the Stones he was just
> looking forward to being a journeyman guitarist
> playing clubs...

> Who knew?
>
He said he never joined with the idea this would be a permanent spot. And Richards said on many occasions he was not right for the Stones. Perhaps they knew.


BornOnTheBayou Wrote:
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> Almost ANYBODY
> could have "interviewed" some great
> songwriter/musicians and matched them up with MT
> and produced some really great music... but nobody
> did.

Or maybe he had little interest. After dealing with others' egos for so long, he decided it is better to do his own thing on his own terms than live in the limelight with undesired compromise. Unlike us, he had a taste of the limiest light and could make an informed decision to decide it was not worth it.


Milo Yammbag Wrote:
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> Had the Stones never hired him, most likely he
> would have become a session player, a hired gun.
>
His pre-Stones stuff, especially the live stuff that is available, readily shows a fully formed musician with a world of musical possibilities at his fingertips who revelled in the immediacy of a live performance. His predecessors in Mayall's band, Clapton and Green, had gone on to form supergroups. Taylor could readily have done the same had he not joined the Stones. He showed no interest in limiting himself to session work prior to joining the Stones. The session work that he had done was with noted blues artists.

Great guitarist, but only in the context of working with other good musicians and song writers. Alone he doesn't amount to much. That is the difference between him and an artist like Eric Clapton.

While there has been a great deal of clashing on this board about the relative merits of each guitarist, I enjoy the work of Jones, Taylor, and Wood, as each have such a different style. What I can't stand, however, are those who somehow believe that the Stones began and ended with Taylor.

"You look like a leper dressed as Sergeant Pepper"

Taylor is as bad as a decision maker as Dubya Bush. However, Taylor would make a better President.

Midnight Toker Wrote:
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> Taylor is as bad as a decision maker as Dubya
> Bush. However, Taylor would make a better
> President.

1. Thanks for putting things in perspective.

2. Finally a thread that mixes Taylor and politics.

Midnight Toker Wrote:
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> Taylor is as bad as a decision maker as Dubya
> Bush. However, Taylor would make a better
> President.


In a way that's an insult to Taylor...

Have you seen Dumya lately ?? Every picture seems to have him wandering around the tarmac holding this black terrier...

It's so pitiful, the U.S. presidunce has finally found something he's good for, pet-sitting.

Taylor's decisions have never cost 30,000 Iraqi's their lives, 2,200 Americans their lives, nearly 10,000 Americans their health, all American taxpayers $6 billion bucks a month (over $200 billion now and counting)...

Not to mention turned a country where you were safe to drive an open jeep anywhere 24/7 into a place so dangerous even a CONVOY of armor-plated tanks isn't safe.

George Bush is probably the only "Commander in Chief" in the history of the world that, 3 years after an 'invasion' of a completely defenseless nation cannot control even a 2 mile strip of highway from the airport to the capital city of that nation. That would be like invading Chicago with the entire U.S. military and 3 years later not controlling the Kennedy expressway from O'Hare to downtown.... yet this "commander in chief" has managed such pitiful military manuevers

Compared to Dubya Bush, Mick Taylor is the 2nd coming of Newton he's such a genius.


"It's just that demon life has got me in it's sway..."



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2005-12-31 08:07 by BornOnTheBayou.

bayou:

:-)

IF ANY BAND NEEDED A LEAD GUITARIST NOW, TAYLOR WOULD IMPROVE THE BAND NO MATTER WHO IT WAS!