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I agree.
I think maybe it was a pretty tough decision, deciding on the singles. I think WWW, Get Close and even Depending on You would have been good options.
While I like Angry and understand why it was the lead single, I'm not sure it was the best choice. Most perplexing is how SSoH stalled.
SSOH lasts more than 7 minutes, it is terribly long and the short version lasts more than 5 minutes, it is impossible for a song of that length to be successful in 2023-2024.
For a song to have an impact today it does not have to last more than 3 minutes, it is all the attention that the mass public dedicates to a song, if it lasts more than that they discard it.
The second single should have been a remix of Mess It Up with some current artist (Dua Lipa for example) released on the album's release date with a good video, still, it's impossible that the general public can pay attention to a new song by an artist with its members in their 70s-80s.
Whole Wide World is the only other song with some minor rock radio potential, but not more than that.
Nothing matters now, the album is over a year old, it's yesterday's papers just like any other album by an old act released today.
I hear you...but everything goes in waves. In the sixties 3 minutes was probably average to a little long for a single and then you get something like Like a Rolling Stone that comes along and shatters all that.
Yes, it was 1 song but almost 60 years ago.
Taylor Swift also reached #1 with a 10 minutes song 2 years ago, but everything she release today goes to #1 so that's not a parameter.
Thank you very much treaclefingers! This very interesting.
I came to Japan in 1973 and soon I noticed that talking about the Rolling Stones was not a popular thing. There was a real Beatles hype (still, after they "died" late 1969). Many even never heard about The Who !?! What a primitive place, I thought at the time.
When visting Tokyo (Chiba) in 1974 (to watch the soccer final between Germany and the Netherlands live) I ran into a small poster glued on a lamp post, announcing the Rolling Stones to come to Japan in 1975. I was really looking forward to it, but as you know, it never Happened. The Stones were still considered dangerous
Well, at least I could sing Jumping Jack Flash, being a singer in a Sendai student R&R band named Dunhill. One year of great fun. Luckily I could buy original vinyl (Stones) albums in Japan.
I'm a GHOST living in a ghost town
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This for you to while away time on the weekend.
Particularly interesting is how the cream rises to the top...songs overlooked as singles, or songs even released as singles that didn't sell particularly well, make up for it decades later as huge streamers.
Also interesting, because of the fractured nature of the catalogue, different versions of different albums in different parts of the world, and a plethora of compilation albums, it "seems" as though the Stones never had particularly massive individual sellers but in reality they are just spread out over a huge number of releases. The ABKCO effect?
...and just for further nerding, here is a list of the best selling artists...Stones in the top 10 at #6, but Taylor a new album away from taking that surely:
Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 2024-10-28 19:53 by bv.
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This for you to while away time on the weekend.
Particularly interesting is how the cream rises to the top...songs overlooked as singles, or songs even released as singles that didn't sell particularly well, make up for it decades later as huge streamers.
Also interesting, because of the fractured nature of the catalogue, different versions of different albums in different parts of the world, and a plethora of compilation albums, it "seems" as though the Stones never had particularly massive individual sellers but in reality they are just spread out over a huge number of releases. The ABKCO effect?
...and just for further nerding, here is a list of the best selling artists...Stones in the top 10 at #6, but Taylor a new album away from taking that surely:
Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 2024-10-28 19:53 by bv.
Re: FOR NERDING OUT - @#$%&'s incredible sales analysis of the Rolling Stones Complete Catalogue
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: October 26, 2024 22:52
In 2021 the Stones put out quite a few playlists on Spotify (and I think YouTube Music) based on whatever holiday and then genres, what, 4-5 songs, the odd live track thrown in.
I listened to a couple of them to figure out, is this the edit version? What live version is that?
After awhile I gave up because some of them got to be redundant.
Kind of like quite a few their hits comps. At least those had more content. But is that even necessary? Not anymore.
It would be interesting, to me, anyway, to find out why was ABC UK/Europe only releases? Regional releases, like the early studio albums, made sense in regard to what singles were released where, all completely pointless now in regard to streaming.
Taylor Swift will possibly take over and rise above the Stones and maybe climb a little higher but it will take a lot longer to accomplish what Pink Floyd and The Beatles did. Especially if she's not on tour when a new album comes out. She does another re-recording, it will be a few million. It's likely the Taylor Swift mania will ease soon since her tour is about to end, which, if you read a little bit, she could've probably approached $3 billion due to demand.
Will anyone break her $2 billion record for the highest grossing tour of all time? If anyone does it will very likely take a lot more than 149 shows, although Coldplay made just over $1 billion with 164 shows.
Streams are certainly equating to success for Swift. There are others that will move up in that overall chart because a lot of the legend acts aren't exactly being streamed like Swift or Sabrina Carpenter or Teddy Swims and quite a few others, even though they have a long way to go in terms of matching those kind of numbers in totality. Don't be surprised if they do.
I listened to a couple of them to figure out, is this the edit version? What live version is that?
After awhile I gave up because some of them got to be redundant.
Kind of like quite a few their hits comps. At least those had more content. But is that even necessary? Not anymore.
It would be interesting, to me, anyway, to find out why was ABC UK/Europe only releases? Regional releases, like the early studio albums, made sense in regard to what singles were released where, all completely pointless now in regard to streaming.
Taylor Swift will possibly take over and rise above the Stones and maybe climb a little higher but it will take a lot longer to accomplish what Pink Floyd and The Beatles did. Especially if she's not on tour when a new album comes out. She does another re-recording, it will be a few million. It's likely the Taylor Swift mania will ease soon since her tour is about to end, which, if you read a little bit, she could've probably approached $3 billion due to demand.
Will anyone break her $2 billion record for the highest grossing tour of all time? If anyone does it will very likely take a lot more than 149 shows, although Coldplay made just over $1 billion with 164 shows.
Streams are certainly equating to success for Swift. There are others that will move up in that overall chart because a lot of the legend acts aren't exactly being streamed like Swift or Sabrina Carpenter or Teddy Swims and quite a few others, even though they have a long way to go in terms of matching those kind of numbers in totality. Don't be surprised if they do.
Re: FOR NERDING OUT - @#$%&'s incredible sales analysis of the Rolling Stones Complete Catalogue
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Toru A
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Date: October 27, 2024 04:01
It's interesting and impressive.
I remember Let It Bleed was voted Japan's best album of 1969, beating Abbey Road.
I just noticed that Abbey sold 1,920,000 copies in Japan, while Let It Bleed sold 225,000.
I'm still proud to be one of the 225,000.
I remember Let It Bleed was voted Japan's best album of 1969, beating Abbey Road.
I just noticed that Abbey sold 1,920,000 copies in Japan, while Let It Bleed sold 225,000.
I'm still proud to be one of the 225,000.
Re: FOR NERDING OUT - @#$%&'s incredible sales analysis of the Rolling Stones Complete Catalogue
Posted by:
tiffanyblu
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Date: October 27, 2024 08:14
I have been following @#$%& for years and I do like the fact that they try to compensate that the albums/singles have not been renewed when it comes to certifications for years.
I know some people in high positions within the industry, and while they all consider The Rolling Stones to be a fantastic force, they've struggled with a late-career revival. For instance, look at the impact that the Queen musical and movie had for them; they currently dominate streaming platforms, outpacing both The Beatles and The Stones. Elton John is another artist experiencing a significant revival at the moment. One executive mentioned that Queen's resurgence in the 2010s boosted their total sales by about 40%, largely due to this revival.
I understand that our band members want to remain active, and the nostalgia factor might be something we can explore in the future. However, I can't help but wonder about a few things. "Hackney Diamond" didn’t quite achieve the sales success we hoped for, especially when "LIAGT" continues to have much higher streaming numbers compared to "Angry." Perhaps "Mess It Up" would have benefited from a collaboration with another artist. Additionally, there seems to be a complete lack of interest in "Sweet Sounds of Heaven," which has only around 12-13 million streams. We have local Swedish artists achieving that level of success.
I respect their choices and understand that, with only a few concerts left, they are trying to push the limits when it comes to ticket prices. However, this approach makes it difficult for younger fans to see them perform. I would consider it a significant loss if lesser-known tracks, beyond the big ten hits, were completely forgotten. There is such a treasure trove of great songs that deserve to be recognized.
I know some people in high positions within the industry, and while they all consider The Rolling Stones to be a fantastic force, they've struggled with a late-career revival. For instance, look at the impact that the Queen musical and movie had for them; they currently dominate streaming platforms, outpacing both The Beatles and The Stones. Elton John is another artist experiencing a significant revival at the moment. One executive mentioned that Queen's resurgence in the 2010s boosted their total sales by about 40%, largely due to this revival.
I understand that our band members want to remain active, and the nostalgia factor might be something we can explore in the future. However, I can't help but wonder about a few things. "Hackney Diamond" didn’t quite achieve the sales success we hoped for, especially when "LIAGT" continues to have much higher streaming numbers compared to "Angry." Perhaps "Mess It Up" would have benefited from a collaboration with another artist. Additionally, there seems to be a complete lack of interest in "Sweet Sounds of Heaven," which has only around 12-13 million streams. We have local Swedish artists achieving that level of success.
I respect their choices and understand that, with only a few concerts left, they are trying to push the limits when it comes to ticket prices. However, this approach makes it difficult for younger fans to see them perform. I would consider it a significant loss if lesser-known tracks, beyond the big ten hits, were completely forgotten. There is such a treasure trove of great songs that deserve to be recognized.
Re: FOR NERDING OUT - @#$%&'s incredible sales analysis of the Rolling Stones Complete Catalogue
Posted by:
RisingStone
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Date: October 27, 2024 14:18
Not cutting Whole Wide World as a single was a huge mistake in the entire promotional scheme of Hackney Diamonds IMHO.
Re: FOR NERDING OUT - @#$%&'s incredible sales analysis of the Rolling Stones Complete Catalogue
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: October 27, 2024 18:29
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RisingStone
Not cutting Whole Wide World as a single was a huge mistake in the entire promotional scheme of Hackney Diamonds IMHO.
I agree.
I think maybe it was a pretty tough decision, deciding on the singles. I think WWW, Get Close and even Depending on You would have been good options.
While I like Angry and understand why it was the lead single, I'm not sure it was the best choice. Most perplexing is how SSoH stalled.
Re: FOR NERDING OUT - @#$%&'s incredible sales analysis of the Rolling Stones Complete Catalogue
Posted by:
georgelicks
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Date: October 28, 2024 02:34
Quote
treaclefingers
While I like Angry and understand why it was the lead single, I'm not sure it was the best choice. Most perplexing is how SSoH stalled.
SSOH lasts more than 7 minutes, it is terribly long and the short version lasts more than 5 minutes, it is impossible for a song of that length to be successful in 2023-2024.
For a song to have an impact today it does not have to last more than 3 minutes, it is all the attention that the mass public dedicates to a song, if it lasts more than that they discard it.
The second single should have been a remix of Mess It Up with some current artist (Dua Lipa for example) released on the album's release date with a good video, still, it's impossible that the general public can pay attention to a new song by an artist with its members in their 70s-80s.
Whole Wide World is the only other song with some minor rock radio potential, but not more than that.
Nothing matters now, the album is over a year old, it's yesterday's papers just like any other album by an old act released today.
Re: FOR NERDING OUT - @#$%&'s incredible sales analysis of the Rolling Stones Complete Catalogue
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: October 28, 2024 03:13
Quote
georgelicksQuote
treaclefingers
While I like Angry and understand why it was the lead single, I'm not sure it was the best choice. Most perplexing is how SSoH stalled.
SSOH lasts more than 7 minutes, it is terribly long and the short version lasts more than 5 minutes, it is impossible for a song of that length to be successful in 2023-2024.
For a song to have an impact today it does not have to last more than 3 minutes, it is all the attention that the mass public dedicates to a song, if it lasts more than that they discard it.
The second single should have been a remix of Mess It Up with some current artist (Dua Lipa for example) released on the album's release date with a good video, still, it's impossible that the general public can pay attention to a new song by an artist with its members in their 70s-80s.
Whole Wide World is the only other song with some minor rock radio potential, but not more than that.
Nothing matters now, the album is over a year old, it's yesterday's papers just like any other album by an old act released today.
I hear you...but everything goes in waves. In the sixties 3 minutes was probably average to a little long for a single and then you get something like Like a Rolling Stone that comes along and shatters all that.
Re: FOR NERDING OUT - @#$%&'s incredible sales analysis of the Rolling Stones Complete Catalogue
Posted by:
georgelicks
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Date: October 28, 2024 04:40
Quote
treaclefingers
I hear you...but everything goes in waves. In the sixties 3 minutes was probably average to a little long for a single and then you get something like Like a Rolling Stone that comes along and shatters all that.
Yes, it was 1 song but almost 60 years ago.
Taylor Swift also reached #1 with a 10 minutes song 2 years ago, but everything she release today goes to #1 so that's not a parameter.
Re: FOR NERDING OUT - @#$%&'s incredible sales analysis of the Rolling Stones Complete Catalogue
Posted by:
micha063
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Date: October 28, 2024 08:21
Quote
treaclefingers
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This for you to while away time on the weekend.
Particularly interesting is how the cream rises to the top...songs overlooked as singles, or songs even released as singles that didn't sell particularly well, make up for it decades later as huge streamers.
Also interesting, because of the fractured nature of the catalogue, different versions of different albums in different parts of the world, and a plethora of compilation albums, it "seems" as though the Stones never had particularly massive individual sellers but in reality they are just spread out over a huge number of releases. The ABKCO effect?
...and just for further nerding, here is a list of the best selling artists...Stones in the top 10 at #6, but Taylor a new album away from taking that surely:
[]
Thank you very much treaclefingers! This very interesting.
Re: FOR NERDING OUT - @#$%&'s incredible sales analysis of the Rolling Stones Complete Catalogue
Posted by:
Bashlets
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Date: October 28, 2024 12:14
The order of releases for the singles were wrong. SSOH should have been first with a great video followed by the 3 weeks later Angry with its kick ass video.
Re: FOR NERDING OUT - @#$%&'s incredible sales analysis of the Rolling Stones Complete Catalogue
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: October 28, 2024 15:21
Quote
micha063Quote
treaclefingers
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This for you to while away time on the weekend.
Particularly interesting is how the cream rises to the top...songs overlooked as singles, or songs even released as singles that didn't sell particularly well, make up for it decades later as huge streamers.
Also interesting, because of the fractured nature of the catalogue, different versions of different albums in different parts of the world, and a plethora of compilation albums, it "seems" as though the Stones never had particularly massive individual sellers but in reality they are just spread out over a huge number of releases. The ABKCO effect?
...and just for further nerding, here is a list of the best selling artists...Stones in the top 10 at #6, but Taylor a new album away from taking that surely:
[]
Thank you very much treaclefingers! This very interesting.
Re: FOR NERDING OUT - @#$%&'s incredible sales analysis of the Rolling Stones Complete Catalogue
Posted by:
georgie48
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Date: October 28, 2024 18:04
Quote
Toru A
It's interesting and impressive.
I remember Let It Bleed was voted Japan's best album of 1969, beating Abbey Road.
I just noticed that Abbey sold 1,920,000 copies in Japan, while Let It Bleed sold 225,000.
I'm still proud to be one of the 225,000.
I came to Japan in 1973 and soon I noticed that talking about the Rolling Stones was not a popular thing. There was a real Beatles hype (still, after they "died" late 1969). Many even never heard about The Who !?! What a primitive place, I thought at the time.
When visting Tokyo (Chiba) in 1974 (to watch the soccer final between Germany and the Netherlands live) I ran into a small poster glued on a lamp post, announcing the Rolling Stones to come to Japan in 1975. I was really looking forward to it, but as you know, it never Happened. The Stones were still considered dangerous
Well, at least I could sing Jumping Jack Flash, being a singer in a Sendai student R&R band named Dunhill. One year of great fun. Luckily I could buy original vinyl (Stones) albums in Japan.
I'm a GHOST living in a ghost town
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