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Great choices! I couldn't agree more these songs you selected are great outtakes. I'm looking forward to a finished version of 1974's "Slow Down and Stop."
I strongly believe the Rolling Stones are working on a deluxe project that covers many years of the band's history which I call "The Dream Box."
I remember somebody cried foul when a song didn't appear on GHS Deluxe. It was released on Tattoo You Deluxe.
I've been noticing for years that the Rolling Stones have been skimming songs that were super great performances from official releases.
Honky Tonk Woman – Shine A Light
Start Me Up - Austin 2006
Hyde Park 2013 – Bitch& All Down the Line (and another one)
Glastonbury was restricted about the broadcast (or maybe it was the rebroadcast), I watched the full satellite feed, idk.
The Stones didn't miss the disco or 8-track "Miss You" on Some Girls Deluxe. They need a great "Miss You" for the Dream Box.
The Rolling Stones have many recordings in their vaults in Holland, outtakes, live 1970, 1972, 1973. The list goes on. I talked at length with Talo Tapani about 1973 shows and rehearsals he recorded with the Rolling Stones Mobile unit. Talo pushed to have a 1973 rehearsal which he says is amazing and has a whole different '73 vibe to it from a rehearsal he recorded. He contacted Mick he said and sent the recording to the Stones' warehouse in Holland to be sure they have it on file.
Club shows from Shepherds Bush, 2002 shows... There were songs played live which were perfected and dropped from the setlist. You can't judge how great of a performance a song was played in concert by an audience recording.
I remember being in the pit in DC 2019. I heard some of the most beautiful music of my life. The sound of Keith's guitar playing was most beautiful coming from his amp just in front of me. The entire band played "Mercy Mercy" beautifully. The audience recordings of this show made the song not sound great, but it was great!
The hightlight of the 2021 tour for me was "Trouble's a Comin'." I don't doubt "Trouble's a Comin'" was carefully recorded, probably from Mashbille, overdubbed, revocable, or whatever, just waiting to be released in the Dream Box.
2014's "Midnight Rambler" had some great performances, perhaps Auckland? "Doom and Gloom" peaked in 2014.
"It's Only Rock n Roll" from 1999 was stellar (as parts hear on a TV special with Chris Evans)!
"Out of Time," "Angry." and other recent live performances?
I'm expecting a guest appearance from Taylor Swift. Mick is a Swifty!
There are better live versions of "Sister Morphine" from Syracuse 1997 and Montreal 1998. "Memory Motel" from Cleveland 1999. "Imagination" and "Whip" from DC were amazing.
The "Blue and Lonesome" songs got better as they went through the tours with a great version of "Ride 'Em On Down" in 2019! Ronnie was amazing!
There's plenty of video captured and stored such as the Voodoo Guy on stilts from DC 1994 and Mick in the cage in opening shows of 1999.
The 1999 "Fool to Cry" version with five guitars was incredible, especially in Philadelphia.
You know "One Hit" from Toronto '89 and other places is another gem.
There's probably an awesome "Crazy Mama" from Edmonton or somewhere.
I'm looking forward to seeing my son in those official videos shot of fans at concerts in 2002, 2005, and 2012.
Was "Separately" missed from GHS Deluxe? I don't think so.
75X5 is coming! Are we still going to be alive to enjoy it?
It's coming! I'm guessing after next year's tour.
They weren't demos, just unfinished recordings from whatever album session(s).
Various takes, they do whatever, Primo Grande, then do another take, whatever, and it changes to Did Everyone Pay Their Dues and then... listen to that one - the music is the same track, it sounds, but new lyrics and... Street Fighting Man.
Somewhere, maybe, is a cassette with Keith's original riff or whatever - that is the demo. The Satisfaction lick in the hotel.
The few extras on the STICKY FINGERS deluxe... early take of Can't You Hear Me Knocking. Early take of Bitch? Maybe. It could be the LP version only unedited and with an earlier vocal and was mixed as a work mix. Or, it's an earlier take.
They did lots of takes with quite a few songs.
You want to hear fantastic demos, get the deluxe version of THE BEATLES. Holy crap. Or listen here.
Great choice, love that one. Some mighty fine choices above in this thread also.
I've been listening to outtakes since I began delving into bootlegs 20 years ago, and the 'Fully Finished Outtakes' set from a few years back I still spin. So much quality stuff there.
I am hoping also they are indeed working on some kind of outtakes project - whether 'The Dream Box' (well put!) above from exilestones, or a 'Memory Hotel' collection of unreleased tracks from the 1989-1997 Wheels to Babylon era. Confirmation of either of those would be amazing.
can't say i do completely get THAT
but i understand what you mean
however for me they do have that immediacy you speak of (i seem to see more in these rough outtakes then others on average and accept that it isn't exactly a universal view) when i first heard them my reaction was that these really draw me in right from the beginning
it's my suspicion that the reason so many (in my opinion) quality outtake have been left behind from the some girls/emotional rescue sessions is because they've got plan to use them in a deluxe emotional rescue or some other project
anyways i agree with you that there is a lot of great material that's been left behind (just maybe not on what constitutes "great")
also
a different kind
I like it very much too....
Yes, this is a good song.
What about "Disco Music"?
Everlasting is my Love- one from 3 versions:
My point of their lack of immediacy ie not being great is strictly in regard to the quality of songs that are on TATTOO YOU. Perhaps a little bias exists because of how long it's been out and listened to but I think if you really focus on that batch of songs you might understand the point.
At the time I posted I had some others stirring in my head but gave up, I dunno, but I Need You was one of them, it's got a fantastic lurch to it.
A Differrent Kind is pretty damn good but it almost sounds like Beast Of Burden's fraternal twin.
Never Too Into - nice little rocker but... kinda sounds like a few other tunes, right?
Dancing Girls. Part of the 1977-79 sessions have these two chord chugging rockers that Where The Boys Go and Summer Romance belong and, based on the unreleased tracks, it's arguable they made the right call to leave these alone.
Would they have fit on TATTOO YOU knowing the quality of it now? No. There's a weird darkness to side 1 of TY that these two are lacking.
Aside from Start Me Up having the four on the floor beat being the only thing similar to a recent release (hilariously, Miss You) nothing on TY sounds like it was mistakenly left off SOME GIRLS or EMOTIONAL RESCUE (only talking about these sessions, I am ignoring the earlier ones one purpose).
It's A Lie, Fiji Jim - they could've easily fit on SG or ER but they'd probably sound a bit odd on TY.
or dirty work
but not a high bar
That really says it all, what I highlighted in bold, yet alone 10 years of working on one song. Although I think at times Mick is right (or maybe better, not wrong, like Miss You, Emotional Rescue, Undercover Of The Night, Rain Fall Down), but basically with every album since GHS there's been one or two, maybe more, depending on one's position, that were put on when they had better that they left off.
For those that love to gripe about this, they're not all Mick songs, either.
When songwriting and, hopefully, production quality, does not overpower a lesser song, especially if it's trendy, there's a problem, which is, the trendy fits the moment of the culture of what "they" want to do (Might As Well Get Juiced and Gunface, for example, could've been replaced by nothing, just not released, and BRIDGES would be a better album for it).
Keith loved to say that Mick is too calculated, that he listens to too much bad shit in the clubs, that Undercover Of The Night and Emotional Rescue were not their best songs, yet both charted very well and both are on every hits comp since 1984 and they've played UOTN live a decent amount.
The same guy that said he'd know if Mick Taylor had recorded new guitar for Plundered is the same guy that said UOTN won't be on FORTY LICKS (I guess that's the difference between being a fax only person vs access to the internet).
But having better songs on hold...
Difficult to say about GHS other than, I'm gonna guess, for some people, leave Can You Hear The Music off and include Through The Lonely Nights. Criss Cross could've easily replaced Silver Train.
I like Silver Train but I think Criss Cross is better.
40 plus songs recorded for SG and they released 10 on the LP, one for a B-side then, one for a B-side later, and two were held over for ER and two for TY. They were redefining who The Rolling Stones were, so there's the key to the attitude and idea of the album - and why Start Me Up would've been extremely out of place compared to Shattered.
No Spare Parts and Do You Think I Really Care could've easily been on SG. Same with Misty Roads and a few mentioned earlier - easily a double album even. You can hear that "it", the attitude that is SG, in those songs.
There's no way to know if any of the 'could've been' differences would've had different results - other than the obvious.
Fortunately there's play lists, CD burners, etc and I can make SG a double album if I want to. But that's not the point.
If they record a few more songs to add to what's leftover from 2023 will we hear songs on the new LP that are better than some on HACKNEY DIAMONDS? It's extremely possible. There's no illusion in regard to what I'm getting at - what's the least liked track on HD? Kinda seems like Mess It Up is.
On that note, hopefully they release this song:
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Other Songs For SOME GIRLS - TATTOO YOU Deluxe Ignored
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: September 10, 2024 10:11
It's not a mystery to probably quite a few people here but also people that are not here:
1977 leftovers to 1979 leftovers. How these didn't get included is quite disturbing.
Not The Way To Go
This one... absolutely criminal that it never got finished, even if that meant Mick in 2010.
These three tunes... way better than a majority of what's been released.
Absurd.
Criminal as well. How could Chris Kimsey miss this one like the previous two!!!!!!!?????
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-09-11 22:35 by GasLightStreet.
1977 leftovers to 1979 leftovers. How these didn't get included is quite disturbing.
Not The Way To Go
This one... absolutely criminal that it never got finished, even if that meant Mick in 2010.
These three tunes... way better than a majority of what's been released.
Absurd.
Criminal as well. How could Chris Kimsey miss this one like the previous two!!!!!!!?????
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-09-11 22:35 by GasLightStreet.
Re: Other Songs For SOME GIRLS - TATTOO YOU Deluxe Ignored
Posted by:
Spud
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Date: September 10, 2024 10:40
A proper "odds & sods" album would be nice .
Previously released stuff has always been on the various "deluxe re-issues" via some, often nebulous, link to the sessions for that album.
So anything then left off runs the risk of never seeing the light of day.
A "best of the rest" album would be great...but perhaps without the name of some previously celebrated album behind the material, they'd worry about the marketing ?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-09-10 13:31 by Spud.
Previously released stuff has always been on the various "deluxe re-issues" via some, often nebulous, link to the sessions for that album.
So anything then left off runs the risk of never seeing the light of day.
A "best of the rest" album would be great...but perhaps without the name of some previously celebrated album behind the material, they'd worry about the marketing ?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-09-10 13:31 by Spud.
Re: Other Songs For SOME GIRLS - TATTOO YOU Deluxe Ignored
Posted by:
exilestones
()
Date: September 10, 2024 14:22
Quote
GasLightStreet
It's not a mystery to probably quite a few people here but also people that are not here:
1977 leftovers to 1979 leftovers. How these didn't get included is quite disturbing.
Not The Way To Go
This one... absolutely criminal that it never got finished, even if that meant Mick in 2010.
These three tunes... way better than a majority of what's been released.
Absurd.
Criminal as well. How could Chris Kimsey miss this one like the previous two!!!!!!!?????
Great choices! I couldn't agree more these songs you selected are great outtakes. I'm looking forward to a finished version of 1974's "Slow Down and Stop."
I strongly believe the Rolling Stones are working on a deluxe project that covers many years of the band's history which I call "The Dream Box."
I remember somebody cried foul when a song didn't appear on GHS Deluxe. It was released on Tattoo You Deluxe.
I've been noticing for years that the Rolling Stones have been skimming songs that were super great performances from official releases.
Honky Tonk Woman – Shine A Light
Start Me Up - Austin 2006
Hyde Park 2013 – Bitch& All Down the Line (and another one)
Glastonbury was restricted about the broadcast (or maybe it was the rebroadcast), I watched the full satellite feed, idk.
The Stones didn't miss the disco or 8-track "Miss You" on Some Girls Deluxe. They need a great "Miss You" for the Dream Box.
The Rolling Stones have many recordings in their vaults in Holland, outtakes, live 1970, 1972, 1973. The list goes on. I talked at length with Talo Tapani about 1973 shows and rehearsals he recorded with the Rolling Stones Mobile unit. Talo pushed to have a 1973 rehearsal which he says is amazing and has a whole different '73 vibe to it from a rehearsal he recorded. He contacted Mick he said and sent the recording to the Stones' warehouse in Holland to be sure they have it on file.
Club shows from Shepherds Bush, 2002 shows... There were songs played live which were perfected and dropped from the setlist. You can't judge how great of a performance a song was played in concert by an audience recording.
I remember being in the pit in DC 2019. I heard some of the most beautiful music of my life. The sound of Keith's guitar playing was most beautiful coming from his amp just in front of me. The entire band played "Mercy Mercy" beautifully. The audience recordings of this show made the song not sound great, but it was great!
The hightlight of the 2021 tour for me was "Trouble's a Comin'." I don't doubt "Trouble's a Comin'" was carefully recorded, probably from Mashbille, overdubbed, revocable, or whatever, just waiting to be released in the Dream Box.
2014's "Midnight Rambler" had some great performances, perhaps Auckland? "Doom and Gloom" peaked in 2014.
"It's Only Rock n Roll" from 1999 was stellar (as parts hear on a TV special with Chris Evans)!
"Out of Time," "Angry." and other recent live performances?
I'm expecting a guest appearance from Taylor Swift. Mick is a Swifty!
There are better live versions of "Sister Morphine" from Syracuse 1997 and Montreal 1998. "Memory Motel" from Cleveland 1999. "Imagination" and "Whip" from DC were amazing.
The "Blue and Lonesome" songs got better as they went through the tours with a great version of "Ride 'Em On Down" in 2019! Ronnie was amazing!
There's plenty of video captured and stored such as the Voodoo Guy on stilts from DC 1994 and Mick in the cage in opening shows of 1999.
The 1999 "Fool to Cry" version with five guitars was incredible, especially in Philadelphia.
You know "One Hit" from Toronto '89 and other places is another gem.
There's probably an awesome "Crazy Mama" from Edmonton or somewhere.
I'm looking forward to seeing my son in those official videos shot of fans at concerts in 2002, 2005, and 2012.
Was "Separately" missed from GHS Deluxe? I don't think so.
75X5 is coming! Are we still going to be alive to enjoy it?
Re: Other Songs For SOME GIRLS - TATTOO YOU Deluxe Ignored
Posted by:
exilestones
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Date: September 10, 2024 14:24
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kkhoranstoned
thank you for this update
i think at some point we will get a flood of projects
i think mick and Keith both ticker with projects
it would be cool if management at lest hinting to what is in development
we are the consumer right
i think 4 festivals concerts 2022.. 4 club shows2022.. a finished 26 song new release
one expand 76 77 release and everything// rewind// is not to much to ask for
an audio release of the best of no filter tour with charlie tribute
who seconds the motion
????????
It's coming! I'm guessing after next year's tour.
Re: Other Songs For SOME GIRLS - TATTOO YOU Deluxe Ignored
Posted by:
Lynd8
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Date: September 10, 2024 17:23
I kind of like the way "Not the way to go" is already on "Fully Finished..." rough and ready and not mucked with - no new lyrics or vocal. They honestly ruined a few awesome demos from the 70s by messing with them too much in the last few years - It would be nice to just have them in clear audio and not messed with. Just my 2 cents
Re: Other Songs For SOME GIRLS - TATTOO YOU Deluxe Ignored
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: September 10, 2024 20:53
Quote
Lynd8
I kind of like the way "Not the way to go" is already on "Fully Finished..." rough and ready and not mucked with - no new lyrics or vocal. They honestly ruined a few awesome demos from the 70s by messing with them too much in the last few years - It would be nice to just have them in clear audio and not messed with. Just my 2 cents
They weren't demos, just unfinished recordings from whatever album session(s).
Various takes, they do whatever, Primo Grande, then do another take, whatever, and it changes to Did Everyone Pay Their Dues and then... listen to that one - the music is the same track, it sounds, but new lyrics and... Street Fighting Man.
Somewhere, maybe, is a cassette with Keith's original riff or whatever - that is the demo. The Satisfaction lick in the hotel.
The few extras on the STICKY FINGERS deluxe... early take of Can't You Hear Me Knocking. Early take of Bitch? Maybe. It could be the LP version only unedited and with an earlier vocal and was mixed as a work mix. Or, it's an earlier take.
They did lots of takes with quite a few songs.
You want to hear fantastic demos, get the deluxe version of THE BEATLES. Holy crap. Or listen here.
Re: Other Songs For SOME GIRLS - TATTOO YOU Deluxe Ignored
Posted by:
ProfessorWolf
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Date: September 11, 2024 04:02
nice picks gls
some of my picks from that period
gangster's moll
one night
i'll let you know
guess i should know
it's cold down there
jah is not dead
what's the matter
never to into it
guitar lesson
and a keith song to tie it altogether
your angel steps out of heaven
and what do all these tracks the two of us have chosen have in common?
there all (except never make you cry) emotional rescue outtakes (hint hint)
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-09-11 05:32 by ProfessorWolf.
some of my picks from that period
gangster's moll
one night
i'll let you know
guess i should know
it's cold down there
jah is not dead
what's the matter
never to into it
guitar lesson
and a keith song to tie it altogether
your angel steps out of heaven
and what do all these tracks the two of us have chosen have in common?
there all (except never make you cry) emotional rescue outtakes (hint hint
)Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-09-11 05:32 by ProfessorWolf.
Re: Other Songs For SOME GIRLS - TATTOO YOU Deluxe Ignored
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: September 11, 2024 09:23
Those are obvious as to why they were skipped over - no immediacy to them. If Chris Kimsey listened to those he stopped or, having listened past one minute, rightfully said, No. There's probably quite a few more as well from the various 1979 sessions.
And more from 1977.
And previously etc.
Kimsey found whatever from whenever... based on what did go onto TATTOO YOU, it's clear within 30 seconds, as every song on the album dials you in within 30 seconds.
None of those have that.
Aside from liking them, you get it, right? They just don't have THAT.
And more from 1977.
And previously etc.
Kimsey found whatever from whenever... based on what did go onto TATTOO YOU, it's clear within 30 seconds, as every song on the album dials you in within 30 seconds.
None of those have that.
Aside from liking them, you get it, right? They just don't have THAT.
Re: Other Songs For SOME GIRLS - TATTOO YOU Deluxe Ignored
Posted by:
wupperstein
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Date: September 11, 2024 09:42
Re: Other Songs For SOME GIRLS - TATTOO YOU Deluxe Ignored
Posted by:
IrelandCalling4
()
Date: September 11, 2024 10:37
Great choice, love that one. Some mighty fine choices above in this thread also.
I've been listening to outtakes since I began delving into bootlegs 20 years ago, and the 'Fully Finished Outtakes' set from a few years back I still spin. So much quality stuff there.
I am hoping also they are indeed working on some kind of outtakes project - whether 'The Dream Box' (well put!) above from exilestones, or a 'Memory Hotel' collection of unreleased tracks from the 1989-1997 Wheels to Babylon era. Confirmation of either of those would be amazing.
Re: Other Songs For SOME GIRLS - TATTOO YOU Deluxe Ignored
Posted by:
Barkerboy2
()
Date: September 11, 2024 11:25
There was a song called Everlasting Is My Love which is really good. I was surprised when it was left off of Some Girls Deluxe.
Re: Other Songs For SOME GIRLS - TATTOO YOU Deluxe Ignored
Posted by:
ProfessorWolf
()
Date: September 11, 2024 11:39
Quote
GasLightStreet
Those are obvious as to why they were skipped over - no immediacy to them. If Chris Kimsey listened to those he stopped or, having listened past one minute, rightfully said, No. There's probably quite a few more as well from the various 1979 sessions.
And more from 1977.
And previously etc.
Kimsey found whatever from whenever... based on what did go onto TATTOO YOU, it's clear within 30 seconds, as every song on the album dials you in within 30 seconds.
None of those have that.
Aside from liking them, you get it, right? They just don't have THAT.
can't say i do completely get THAT
but i understand what you mean
however for me they do have that immediacy you speak of (i seem to see more in these rough outtakes then others on average and accept that it isn't exactly a universal view) when i first heard them my reaction was that these really draw me in right from the beginning
it's my suspicion that the reason so many (in my opinion) quality outtake have been left behind from the some girls/emotional rescue sessions is because they've got plan to use them in a deluxe emotional rescue or some other project
anyways i agree with you that there is a lot of great material that's been left behind (just maybe not on what constitutes "great")
also
a different kind
Re: Other Songs For SOME GIRLS - TATTOO YOU Deluxe Ignored
Posted by:
jp.M
()
Date: September 11, 2024 12:23
Quote
Barkerboy2
There was a song called Everlasting Is My Love which is really good. I was surprised when it was left off of Some Girls Deluxe.
I like it very much too....
Re: Other Songs For SOME GIRLS - TATTOO YOU Deluxe Ignored
Posted by:
thomashanck
()
Date: September 11, 2024 13:31
a different kind ... i always loved it, here is a longer version (6 min) [www.youtube.com]
Re: Other Songs For SOME GIRLS - TATTOO YOU Deluxe Ignored
Posted by:
Elmo Lewis
()
Date: September 11, 2024 14:39
Quote
Barkerboy2
There was a song called Everlasting Is My Love which is really good. I was surprised when it was left off of Some Girls Deluxe.
Yes, this is a good song.
What about "Disco Music"?
Re: Other Songs For SOME GIRLS - TATTOO YOU Deluxe Ignored
Posted by:
wupperstein
()
Date: September 11, 2024 14:45
Quote
Barkerboy2
There was a song called Everlasting Is My Love which is really good. I was surprised when it was left off of Some Girls Deluxe.
Everlasting is my Love- one from 3 versions:
Re: Other Songs For SOME GIRLS - TATTOO YOU Deluxe Ignored
Posted by:
wupperstein
()
Date: September 11, 2024 14:46
Everlasting Is My Love
[www.youtube.com]
[www.youtube.com]
Re: Other Songs For SOME GIRLS - TATTOO YOU Deluxe Ignored
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: September 11, 2024 22:34
Quote
ProfessorWolfQuote
GasLightStreet
Those are obvious as to why they were skipped over - no immediacy to them. If Chris Kimsey listened to those he stopped or, having listened past one minute, rightfully said, No. There's probably quite a few more as well from the various 1979 sessions.
And more from 1977.
And previously etc.
Kimsey found whatever from whenever... based on what did go onto TATTOO YOU, it's clear within 30 seconds, as every song on the album dials you in within 30 seconds.
None of those have that.
Aside from liking them, you get it, right? They just don't have THAT.
can't say i do completely get THAT
but i understand what you mean
however for me they do have that immediacy you speak of (i seem to see more in these rough outtakes then others on average and accept that it isn't exactly a universal view) when i first heard them my reaction was that these really draw me in right from the beginning
it's my suspicion that the reason so many (in my opinion) quality outtake have been left behind from the some girls/emotional rescue sessions is because they've got plan to use them in a deluxe emotional rescue or some other project
anyways i agree with you that there is a lot of great material that's been left behind (just maybe not on what constitutes "great")
also
a different kind
My point of their lack of immediacy ie not being great is strictly in regard to the quality of songs that are on TATTOO YOU. Perhaps a little bias exists because of how long it's been out and listened to but I think if you really focus on that batch of songs you might understand the point.
At the time I posted I had some others stirring in my head but gave up, I dunno, but I Need You was one of them, it's got a fantastic lurch to it.
A Differrent Kind is pretty damn good but it almost sounds like Beast Of Burden's fraternal twin.
Never Too Into - nice little rocker but... kinda sounds like a few other tunes, right?
Dancing Girls. Part of the 1977-79 sessions have these two chord chugging rockers that Where The Boys Go and Summer Romance belong and, based on the unreleased tracks, it's arguable they made the right call to leave these alone.
Would they have fit on TATTOO YOU knowing the quality of it now? No. There's a weird darkness to side 1 of TY that these two are lacking.
Aside from Start Me Up having the four on the floor beat being the only thing similar to a recent release (hilariously, Miss You) nothing on TY sounds like it was mistakenly left off SOME GIRLS or EMOTIONAL RESCUE (only talking about these sessions, I am ignoring the earlier ones one purpose).
It's A Lie, Fiji Jim - they could've easily fit on SG or ER but they'd probably sound a bit odd on TY.
Re: Other Songs For SOME GIRLS - TATTOO YOU Deluxe Ignored
Posted by:
ProfessorWolf
()
Date: September 11, 2024 23:55
yes i get what you mean about them fitting on tattoo you
the tracks that we're gonna work on tattoo you were already chosen and used on the album 45 years ago
i get that
what's left are misfits that are either just below the quality level that would have made them usable on some girls or emotional rescue or are to similar to tracks they already had chosen for those albums and would have been redundant or just sound to different from the overall vibe and sound they were trying to achieve on those albums
yeah a different kind sounds similar to beast of burden now that you've pointed that out (still wanna hear what mick can make out it now)
i think never to into it or it's cold down there aren't particularly similar to other specific songs except that they sound like stones songs from this period
same with up against the wall
sounds like any other stones bluesy rocker from the late 70's early 80's but that's not really a bad thing for me or for a deluxe bonus release expanding on an album like emotional rescue or a standalone "dreambox" set of outtakes from this era
and if there gonna do something like the dreambox idea that's not related to a specific album it should include outtakes from the undercover sessions which i consider to be a continuation in many ways sound wise with what they were doing in the 77-79 sessions and full of as yet untouched gold
(i'm really enjoying this thread to by the way)
the tracks that we're gonna work on tattoo you were already chosen and used on the album 45 years ago
i get that
what's left are misfits that are either just below the quality level that would have made them usable on some girls or emotional rescue or are to similar to tracks they already had chosen for those albums and would have been redundant or just sound to different from the overall vibe and sound they were trying to achieve on those albums
yeah a different kind sounds similar to beast of burden now that you've pointed that out (still wanna hear what mick can make out it now)
i think never to into it or it's cold down there aren't particularly similar to other specific songs except that they sound like stones songs from this period
same with up against the wall
sounds like any other stones bluesy rocker from the late 70's early 80's but that's not really a bad thing for me or for a deluxe bonus release expanding on an album like emotional rescue or a standalone "dreambox" set of outtakes from this era
and if there gonna do something like the dreambox idea that's not related to a specific album it should include outtakes from the undercover sessions which i consider to be a continuation in many ways sound wise with what they were doing in the 77-79 sessions and full of as yet untouched gold
(i'm really enjoying this thread to by the way)
Re: Other Songs For SOME GIRLS - TATTOO YOU Deluxe Ignored
Posted by:
ProfessorWolf
()
Date: September 12, 2024 00:08
also are we considering keith's toronto recordings because well past time these get an official release
Re: Other Songs For SOME GIRLS - TATTOO YOU Deluxe Ignored
Posted by:
Silver Dagger
()
Date: September 12, 2024 00:12
So effectively they could bring out a deluxe version of Emotional Rescue that would knock spots off the original. Come on Mick - do it.
Re: Other Songs For SOME GIRLS - TATTOO YOU Deluxe Ignored
Posted by:
ProfessorWolf
()
Date: September 12, 2024 00:20
Quote
Silver Dagger
So effectively they could bring out a deluxe version of Emotional Rescue that would knock spots off the original. Come on Mick - do it.
or dirty work
but not a high bar
Re: Other Songs For SOME GIRLS - TATTOO YOU Deluxe Ignored
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: September 12, 2024 04:12
Professor Wolf, I pointed out earlier in some thread a few weeks ago, the amount of blues, original or covers, they recorded going back to (what, aside from pre-AFTERMATH, who knows) could easily provide 10 more blues albums, finished or not, to create a library of The Rolling Stones blues... with probably 10 more. Loads of them.
All BLUE AND LONESOME is was them basically warming up the sessions, the studio, and they focused and did more than usual in a moment.
Some very nice things on that album, some things are, Eh, ok, but they've got so much more... look at the crap they put on SOME GIRLS deluxe - nothing special about those, they're just warming up, and not very good, really. Filler.
Especially compared to what they chose to leave off of that, which is infuriating! "They have a plan" - no they don't. They just scoop into the vault and go, Alright, then, this'll do.
They don't care. It's just whatever UME tells them to do and then Mick's 'bothered meter'.
Aside from the single and RARITIES they still managed to not include Through The Lonely Nights on the GHS deluxe (at least we got Save Me). And then Scarlet? That was post-GHS. They did similar with the SG - songs recorded for ER.
No quality control, no care, just... "Oh it's around that time period, they'll buy it."
All BLUE AND LONESOME is was them basically warming up the sessions, the studio, and they focused and did more than usual in a moment.
Some very nice things on that album, some things are, Eh, ok, but they've got so much more... look at the crap they put on SOME GIRLS deluxe - nothing special about those, they're just warming up, and not very good, really. Filler.
Especially compared to what they chose to leave off of that, which is infuriating! "They have a plan" - no they don't. They just scoop into the vault and go, Alright, then, this'll do.
They don't care. It's just whatever UME tells them to do and then Mick's 'bothered meter'.
Aside from the single and RARITIES they still managed to not include Through The Lonely Nights on the GHS deluxe (at least we got Save Me). And then Scarlet? That was post-GHS. They did similar with the SG - songs recorded for ER.
No quality control, no care, just... "Oh it's around that time period, they'll buy it."
Re: Other Songs For SOME GIRLS - TATTOO YOU Deluxe Ignored
Posted by:
ProfessorWolf
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Date: September 12, 2024 06:08
you might be right
yeah they are a bit slap dash affairs aren't they
i think the last one they really put any effort into was exile
as lazy as they clearly are putting these together it's telling to me that so much is left behind from 77-79
perhaps it's not intentional and they (mick) really are that uninterested in these outtakes and deluxe project
either way if mick decides on his own (i assume whatever agreement they had with ume to put these out has been fulfilled) to put out a deluxe emotional rescue then he's got quite a trove to work from
maybe mick needs someone like andrew watt to kick his ass a bit and comb through there archives better and make mick be more critical and focused
i kinda hope the rumor of some kind of standalone compilation of outtakes from the 90's sessions is true
it high time that they start releasing things like that like other bands as a way of dealing with the tremendous amount of outtakes they have leftover
hope if it does actually get released that it sells ok so that mick will be convinced to do more of them
though i'm not holding my breath
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-09-12 06:12 by ProfessorWolf.
yeah they are a bit slap dash affairs aren't they
i think the last one they really put any effort into was exile
as lazy as they clearly are putting these together it's telling to me that so much is left behind from 77-79
perhaps it's not intentional and they (mick) really are that uninterested in these outtakes and deluxe project
either way if mick decides on his own (i assume whatever agreement they had with ume to put these out has been fulfilled) to put out a deluxe emotional rescue then he's got quite a trove to work from
maybe mick needs someone like andrew watt to kick his ass a bit and comb through there archives better and make mick be more critical and focused
i kinda hope the rumor of some kind of standalone compilation of outtakes from the 90's sessions is true
it high time that they start releasing things like that like other bands as a way of dealing with the tremendous amount of outtakes they have leftover
hope if it does actually get released that it sells ok so that mick will be convinced to do more of them
though i'm not holding my breath
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-09-12 06:12 by ProfessorWolf.
Re: Other Songs For SOME GIRLS - TATTOO YOU Deluxe Ignored
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: September 13, 2024 00:26
Some of the outtakes, unfished tracks via mostly Mick, they did over and over for a few albums - it's these unfinished songs that they loved so much and did over and over that DON'T get released.
Munich Hilton is probably the biggest example. How many takes did they do of that? There are only two bootlegged as I recall but it seems like it kept popping up in sessions through UNDERCOVER, although they did a bit of "playback" of previously recorded material.
But.
How Rotten Roll/The Way She Held Me Tight/Misty Roads didn't get released, even on SOME GIRLS, originally, yet alone the deluxe, is probably the most criminal mystery.
They could've left off the rather dull Imagination or the pedestrian Respectable in favor of that tune.
The Stones could easily have 3 anthologies like The Beatles. The Beatles aren't the only ones to do such a thing. The Stones could have more than three.
Munich Hilton is probably the biggest example. How many takes did they do of that? There are only two bootlegged as I recall but it seems like it kept popping up in sessions through UNDERCOVER, although they did a bit of "playback" of previously recorded material.
But.
How Rotten Roll/The Way She Held Me Tight/Misty Roads didn't get released, even on SOME GIRLS, originally, yet alone the deluxe, is probably the most criminal mystery.
They could've left off the rather dull Imagination or the pedestrian Respectable in favor of that tune.
The Stones could easily have 3 anthologies like The Beatles. The Beatles aren't the only ones to do such a thing. The Stones could have more than three.
Re: Other Songs For SOME GIRLS - TATTOO YOU Deluxe Ignored
Posted by:
ProfessorWolf
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Date: September 13, 2024 02:21
part of the problem is that in my opinion they aren't always the best judges of there own music especially if there's only one of them involved in selecting what to work on
and if mick and keith aren't working well together then stuff slips through the cracks because mick needs keith to say that's good that's bad let's work on this let's not work on that
it's not helped that (i assume) these deluxe album project are mostly a mick thing and that keith doesn't seem to involve himself much except for the odd guitar overdub
he needs someone whose opinion he trusts and respects and can tell him he's wrong to help sift thru there archives and develop these outtakes and an anthology like project
as to why there so much quality stuff left behind from the late 70's thru the 80's is partly in my opinion because mick and keith stopped working well with each other and respecting the others opinions in regards to the material they were working on at the time and likely couldn't agree on how to finish it
judging from the sheer amount of promising outtakes left behind there should have been 2 or 3 more album between the late 70's thru the 90's
i have at least a half a dozen versions of munich hilton including one from 82 with dancing girls (brown leaves) incorporated into it
most of these i can't find on youtube
i think it started at the black and blue sessions in 1975 (thus the name munich hilton) and continued at least thru the dirty work sessions in 1985
so that's 10 years of messing about with such a promising track without finising it?
this one really is a mystery why they couldn't just finish it
and if mick and keith aren't working well together then stuff slips through the cracks because mick needs keith to say that's good that's bad let's work on this let's not work on that
it's not helped that (i assume) these deluxe album project are mostly a mick thing and that keith doesn't seem to involve himself much except for the odd guitar overdub
he needs someone whose opinion he trusts and respects and can tell him he's wrong to help sift thru there archives and develop these outtakes and an anthology like project
as to why there so much quality stuff left behind from the late 70's thru the 80's is partly in my opinion because mick and keith stopped working well with each other and respecting the others opinions in regards to the material they were working on at the time and likely couldn't agree on how to finish it
judging from the sheer amount of promising outtakes left behind there should have been 2 or 3 more album between the late 70's thru the 90's
i have at least a half a dozen versions of munich hilton including one from 82 with dancing girls (brown leaves) incorporated into it
most of these i can't find on youtube
i think it started at the black and blue sessions in 1975 (thus the name munich hilton) and continued at least thru the dirty work sessions in 1985
so that's 10 years of messing about with such a promising track without finising it?
this one really is a mystery why they couldn't just finish it
Re: Other Songs For SOME GIRLS - TATTOO YOU Deluxe Ignored
Posted by:
Spud
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Date: September 13, 2024 10:34
Folks above have made a lot of sense, but I don't think it's a big mystery.
Much of it is just down to the semi-chaotic way they historically worked...when time was on their side.
Much of it is just down to the semi-chaotic way they historically worked...when time was on their side.
Re: Other Songs For SOME GIRLS - TATTOO YOU Deluxe Ignored
Posted by:
Lynd8
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Date: September 13, 2024 13:29
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GasLightStreetQuote
Lynd8
You want to hear fantastic demos, get the deluxe version of THE BEATLES. Holy crap. Or listen here.
Agree - Beatles fans have really had it good with the recent box sets I've enjoyed the Lennon sets well. It's a real shame the Stones can't work something out with Abkco - the 60s albums deserve this type of treatment.
Re: Other Songs For SOME GIRLS - TATTOO YOU Deluxe Ignored
Posted by:
Rip This
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Date: September 13, 2024 14:08
too many choices...not enough time to finish any of these up,or maybe they just don't care anymore. Their legacy is set.
Re: Other Songs For SOME GIRLS - TATTOO YOU Deluxe Ignored
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: September 13, 2024 19:47
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ProfessorWolf
part of the problem is that in my opinion they aren't always the best judges of there own music especially if there's only one of them involved in selecting what to work on
and if mick and keith aren't working well together then stuff slips through the cracks because mick needs keith to say that's good that's bad let's work on this let's not work on that
it's not helped that (i assume) these deluxe album project are mostly a mick thing and that keith doesn't seem to involve himself much except for the odd guitar overdub
he needs someone whose opinion he trusts and respects and can tell him he's wrong to help sift thru there archives and develop these outtakes and an anthology like project
as to why there so much quality stuff left behind from the late 70's thru the 80's is partly in my opinion because mick and keith stopped working well with each other and respecting the others opinions in regards to the material they were working on at the time and likely couldn't agree on how to finish it
judging from the sheer amount of promising outtakes left behind there should have been 2 or 3 more album between the late 70's thru the 90's
i have at least a half a dozen versions of munich hilton including one from 82 with dancing girls (brown leaves) incorporated into it
most of these i can't find on youtube
i think it started at the black and blue sessions in 1975 (thus the name munich hilton) and continued at least thru the dirty work sessions in 1985
so that's 10 years of messing about with such a promising track without finising it?
this one really is a mystery why they couldn't just finish it
That really says it all, what I highlighted in bold, yet alone 10 years of working on one song. Although I think at times Mick is right (or maybe better, not wrong, like Miss You, Emotional Rescue, Undercover Of The Night, Rain Fall Down), but basically with every album since GHS there's been one or two, maybe more, depending on one's position, that were put on when they had better that they left off.
For those that love to gripe about this, they're not all Mick songs, either.
When songwriting and, hopefully, production quality, does not overpower a lesser song, especially if it's trendy, there's a problem, which is, the trendy fits the moment of the culture of what "they" want to do (Might As Well Get Juiced and Gunface, for example, could've been replaced by nothing, just not released, and BRIDGES would be a better album for it).
Keith loved to say that Mick is too calculated, that he listens to too much bad shit in the clubs, that Undercover Of The Night and Emotional Rescue were not their best songs, yet both charted very well and both are on every hits comp since 1984 and they've played UOTN live a decent amount.
The same guy that said he'd know if Mick Taylor had recorded new guitar for Plundered is the same guy that said UOTN won't be on FORTY LICKS (I guess that's the difference between being a fax only person vs access to the internet).
But having better songs on hold...
Difficult to say about GHS other than, I'm gonna guess, for some people, leave Can You Hear The Music off and include Through The Lonely Nights. Criss Cross could've easily replaced Silver Train.
I like Silver Train but I think Criss Cross is better.
40 plus songs recorded for SG and they released 10 on the LP, one for a B-side then, one for a B-side later, and two were held over for ER and two for TY. They were redefining who The Rolling Stones were, so there's the key to the attitude and idea of the album - and why Start Me Up would've been extremely out of place compared to Shattered.
No Spare Parts and Do You Think I Really Care could've easily been on SG. Same with Misty Roads and a few mentioned earlier - easily a double album even. You can hear that "it", the attitude that is SG, in those songs.
There's no way to know if any of the 'could've been' differences would've had different results - other than the obvious.
Fortunately there's play lists, CD burners, etc and I can make SG a double album if I want to. But that's not the point.
If they record a few more songs to add to what's leftover from 2023 will we hear songs on the new LP that are better than some on HACKNEY DIAMONDS? It's extremely possible. There's no illusion in regard to what I'm getting at - what's the least liked track on HD? Kinda seems like Mess It Up is.
On that note, hopefully they release this song:
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