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Re: B. Jones Underrated or Overrated on YouTube
Posted by: Mathijs ()
Date: February 9, 2024 15:52

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The Worst.
All we know that Brian contributed on that song was a few "whoo-hoos"

According to Jimmy Miller all vocals for BB and LIB were recorded at Sunset Sound, no vocals were recorded at Olympic.

Mathijs

Re: B. Jones Underrated or Overrated on YouTube
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: February 9, 2024 19:27

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Mathijs


To be honest, the Stones haven't done anything the Beatles haven't done before them.

Mathijs

Oh yeah, playing a slide guitar, using open tunings, experimenting with a fuzz box... The Beatles, who basically invented song-writing and making records, probably the instruments too, had it all on their their records before those poor copy-cats..

Or probably those kind of things do not count in doing something or - to use good old Beatlelogist vocabulary - in being 'innovative' or 'first', unlike, say, having a tambura or a tabla on a record... grinning smiley

- Doxa



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 2024-02-09 19:42 by Doxa.

Re: B. Jones Underrated or Overrated on YouTube
Posted by: maumau ()
Date: February 9, 2024 20:30

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Mathijs
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The Worst.
All we know that Brian contributed on that song was a few "whoo-hoos"

According to Jimmy Miller all vocals for BB and LIB were recorded at Sunset Sound, no vocals were recorded at Olympic.

Mathijs

This is proved false by Godard's movie, the set is at Olympic and the bunch records vocals

Unless Miller imply that they did not include those recordings in the final mix

about Brian contribution: it will be news to me to get to know that we owe him the shift from dylanesque ballad to the samba falvoured rhythm

all I have read before is consistent with the image of Brian as filmed by Godard in One plus One, that is: a member of the band almost not active anymore, or put in a corner by the rest (as your vision of the history of the band suits better)



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Re: B. Jones Underrated or Overrated on YouTube
Posted by: The Worst. ()
Date: February 10, 2024 13:36

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Mathijs
Quote
The Worst.
All we know that Brian contributed on that song was a few "whoo-hoos"

According to Jimmy Miller all vocals for BB and LIB were recorded at Sunset Sound, no vocals were recorded at Olympic.

Mathijs

Are you claiming that this did not take place at the Olympic Studios?




Re: B. Jones Underrated or Overrated on YouTube
Posted by: Mathijs ()
Date: February 10, 2024 15:27

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Doxa
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Mathijs


To be honest, the Stones haven't done anything the Beatles haven't done before them.

Mathijs

Oh yeah, playing a slide guitar, using open tunings, experimenting with a fuzz box... The Beatles, who basically invented song-writing and making records, probably the instruments too, had it all on their their records before those poor copy-cats..

Or probably those kind of things do not count in doing something or - to use good old Beatlelogist vocabulary - in being 'innovative' or 'first', unlike, say, having a tambura or a tabla on a record... grinning smiley

- Doxa

John Lennon, September 1963, recording 'Don't Bother Me' with a Gibson Maestro Fuzz.



George Harrison, July 1963:



'Yesterdays' was recorded with double dropped tuningon the acoustic, George Harrison used alternate tuning on 'Dear Prudence' and 'Julia', Lennon on 'Strawberry Fields'.

I don't think they ever used slide guitar before they split. Harisson did become a true slide master though in his later recording years.

Mathijs



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-02-10 17:48 by Mathijs.

Re: B. Jones Underrated or Overrated on YouTube
Posted by: Mathijs ()
Date: February 10, 2024 17:52

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The Worst.
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Mathijs
Quote
The Worst.
All we know that Brian contributed on that song was a few "whoo-hoos"

According to Jimmy Miller all vocals for BB and LIB were recorded at Sunset Sound, no vocals were recorded at Olympic.

Mathijs

Are you claiming that this did not take place at the Olympic Studios?



No, I am just restating Jimmy Miller's claim that all vocals for Beggars and LIB were recorded at Sunset Sound.

There's plenty of footage of Jagger doing vocal takes at Olympic, but according to Miller (and later Jagger too) Sunset Sound had a studio specifically equipped for vocal recordings.

Also they found out that if you recorded part of an album outside England the recording costs can be deducted from tax.

Mathijs

Re: B. Jones Underrated or Overrated on YouTube
Date: February 10, 2024 21:51

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Mathijs
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Doxa
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Mathijs


To be honest, the Stones haven't done anything the Beatles haven't done before them.

Mathijs

Oh yeah, playing a slide guitar, using open tunings, experimenting with a fuzz box... The Beatles, who basically invented song-writing and making records, probably the instruments too, had it all on their their records before those poor copy-cats..

Or probably those kind of things do not count in doing something or - to use good old Beatlelogist vocabulary - in being 'innovative' or 'first', unlike, say, having a tambura or a tabla on a record... grinning smiley

- Doxa


'Yesterdays' was recorded with double dropped tuningon the acoustic, George Harrison used alternate tuning on 'Dear Prudence' and 'Julia', Lennon on 'Strawberry Fields'.

I don't think they ever used slide guitar before they split. Harisson did become a true slide master though in his later recording years.

Mathijs

Why the heck are we talking Beatles and Stones and slide guitar ?
The guy below was recorded in 1917 and he even didn't need a bloody open tuning. A beautiful vibrato. And yes, it's Hawaiian influenced.Dangerous in pop/rock music.

Unfortunately he couldn't swim in the expanse of cold salt water that covers most of the earth's surface and surrounds its land masses (source: Wikipedia).All this unlike Brian Jones, who could swim like a champ but unfortunately managed to drown in a small swimming pool containing approximately 100 cubic meter of 65 degrees Celsius freshwater. At best.








Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2024-02-10 23:03 by TheflyingDutchman.

Re: B. Jones Underrated or Overrated on YouTube
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: February 11, 2024 14:35

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Mathijs
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Doxa
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Mathijs


To be honest, the Stones haven't done anything the Beatles haven't done before them.

Mathijs

Oh yeah, playing a slide guitar, using open tunings, experimenting with a fuzz box... The Beatles, who basically invented song-writing and making records, probably the instruments too, had it all on their their records before those poor copy-cats..

Or probably those kind of things do not count in doing something or - to use good old Beatlelogist vocabulary - in being 'innovative' or 'first', unlike, say, having a tambura or a tabla on a record... grinning smiley

- Doxa

John Lennon, September 1963, recording 'Don't Bother Me' with a Gibson Maestro Fuzz.



George Harrison, July 1963:



'Yesterdays' was recorded with double dropped tuningon the acoustic, George Harrison used alternate tuning on 'Dear Prudence' and 'Julia', Lennon on 'Strawberry Fields'.

I don't think they ever used slide guitar before they split. Harisson did become a true slide master though in his later recording years.


Mathijs

Hmm... seemingly the Beatles got it first with a fuzz box, but the Stones - read: Brian Jones - win the category of the forerunners with slide guitar and open tunings. Thank god our team had Brian in roster, so there is at least something the Stones did before the Beatles.

Poor Beatles - no slide guitar at all - what sort of rock band is that?grinning smiley

- Doxa



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-02-11 14:52 by Doxa.

Re: B. Jones Underrated or Overrated on YouTube
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: February 11, 2024 15:13

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TheflyingDutchman
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Mathijs
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Doxa
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Mathijs


To be honest, the Stones haven't done anything the Beatles haven't done before them.

Mathijs

Oh yeah, playing a slide guitar, using open tunings, experimenting with a fuzz box... The Beatles, who basically invented song-writing and making records, probably the instruments too, had it all on their their records before those poor copy-cats..

Or probably those kind of things do not count in doing something or - to use good old Beatlelogist vocabulary - in being 'innovative' or 'first', unlike, say, having a tambura or a tabla on a record... grinning smiley

- Doxa


'Yesterdays' was recorded with double dropped tuningon the acoustic, George Harrison used alternate tuning on 'Dear Prudence' and 'Julia', Lennon on 'Strawberry Fields'.

I don't think they ever used slide guitar before they split. Harisson did become a true slide master though in his later recording years.

Mathijs

Why the heck are we talking Beatles and Stones and slide guitar ?
The guy below was recorded in 1917 and he even didn't need a bloody open tuning. A beautiful vibrato. And yes, it's Hawaiian influenced.Dangerous in pop/rock music.

Unfortunately he couldn't swim in the expanse of cold salt water that covers most of the earth's surface and surrounds its land masses (source: Wikipedia).All this unlike Brian Jones, who could swim like a champ but unfortunately managed to drown in a small swimming pool containing approximately 100 cubic meter of 65 degrees Celsius freshwater. At best.




All kudos to Frank Ferara, but the music as we know it started with the Beatles (and The Stones following their steps). Anything before them do not count since it was just raw material, including the use of 'exotic' instruments or sounds, for them to make countable pop diamonds out of them. For example, with this logic the Stones basically invented samba rhythm in "Sympathy For the Devil" - a sweet effective 60's Beatlelogist idea of being innovative in use! "Genius"!

But wasn't it not Frank but his wife Helen that was lost in a deep blue sea?

- Doxa

Re: B. Jones Underrated or Overrated on YouTube
Date: February 11, 2024 15:21

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Doxa
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TheflyingDutchman
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Mathijs
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Doxa
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Mathijs


To be honest, the Stones haven't done anything the Beatles haven't done before them.

Mathijs

Oh yeah, playing a slide guitar, using open tunings, experimenting with a fuzz box... The Beatles, who basically invented song-writing and making records, probably the instruments too, had it all on their their records before those poor copy-cats..

Or probably those kind of things do not count in doing something or - to use good old Beatlelogist vocabulary - in being 'innovative' or 'first', unlike, say, having a tambura or a tabla on a record... grinning smiley

- Doxa


'Yesterdays' was recorded with double dropped tuningon the acoustic, George Harrison used alternate tuning on 'Dear Prudence' and 'Julia', Lennon on 'Strawberry Fields'.

I don't think they ever used slide guitar before they split. Harisson did become a true slide master though in his later recording years.

Mathijs

Why the heck are we talking Beatles and Stones and slide guitar ?
The guy below was recorded in 1917 and he even didn't need a bloody open tuning. A beautiful vibrato. And yes, it's Hawaiian influenced.Dangerous in pop/rock music.

Unfortunately he couldn't swim in the expanse of cold salt water that covers most of the earth's surface and surrounds its land masses (source: Wikipedia).All this unlike Brian Jones, who could swim like a champ but unfortunately managed to drown in a small swimming pool containing approximately 100 cubic meter of 65 degrees Celsius freshwater. At best.




All kudos to Frank Ferara, but the music as we know it started with the Beatles (and The Stones following their steps). Anything before them do not count since it was just raw material, including the use of 'exotic' instruments or sounds, for them to make countable pop diamonds out of them. For example, with this logic the Stones basically invented samba rhythm in "Sympathy For the Devil" - a sweet effective 60's Beatlelogist idea of being innovative in use! "Genius"!

But wasn't it not Frank but his wife Helen that was lost in a deep blue sea?

- Doxa


Thank you for your serious respond Doxa. All I wanted to point out is that in my perception things in music are relative and a matter of taste. There are more precious things in life. At least that's what I realised when writing my previous post, after two bottles of red wine.confused smiley

Re: B. Jones Underrated or Overrated on YouTube
Posted by: Mathijs ()
Date: February 12, 2024 12:13

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TheflyingDutchman
Why the heck are we talking Beatles and Stones and slide guitar ?
The guy below was recorded in 1917 and he even didn't need a bloody open tuning. A beautiful vibrato. And yes, it's Hawaiian influenced.Dangerous in pop/rock music.



Now to be a total anorak -this track was recorded in what you call Hawaiian tuning or 'slack key' tuning, or 'taro patch', which basically is an open G tuning with an added low D. Most pro players would tune up to open A.

Mathijs

Re: B. Jones Underrated or Overrated on YouTube
Posted by: Mathijs ()
Date: February 12, 2024 12:16

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Doxa

Poor Beatles - no slide guitar at all - what sort of rock band is that?grinning smiley

- Doxa

That's what the Beatles thought as well, so they did use a lap steel slide for 'For You Blue'.

Mathijs



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Re: B. Jones Underrated or Overrated on YouTube
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: February 12, 2024 14:19

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Mathijs
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Doxa

Poor Beatles - no slide guitar at all - what sort of rock band is that?grinning smiley

- Doxa

That's what the Beatles thought as well, so they did use a lap steel slide for 'Fo You Blue'.

Mathijs

That's not much, but at least something!grinning smiley

- Doxa

Re: B. Jones Underrated or Overrated on YouTube
Posted by: Spud ()
Date: February 12, 2024 15:02

I can't see why folks get so excited about all these long haired beat groups..

..complete shower, the lot of 'em !

Re: B. Jones Underrated or Overrated on YouTube
Date: February 12, 2024 16:07

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Mathijs



Now to be a total anorak -this track was recorded in what you call Hawaiian tuning or 'slack key' tuning, or 'taro patch', which basically is an open G tuning with an added low D. Most pro players would tune up to open A.

Mathijs



Seemed about a hundred years ago. thumbs up

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