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Glad for you your digging into it. There's no doubt about the convenience of streaming, and I use it when I'm busy, but when I'm going to sit down and enjoy music, it's the vinyl and the CDs that come out. Love it.

I recently ordered (ABKCO remasters) OUT OF OUR HEADS UK, AFTERMATH UK and BETWEEN THE BUTTONS UK and...

BTB is the absolute weirdest Stones album ever.

I had it a long time ago (US) but never really listened to it.

Yesterday... I kept thinking, Whut?

Bizarre album.

It has to be their WEIRDEST album ever.


Debating on getting the rest. I already had BB and LIB. And now these three.

I just can't see getting TSMR again.

In regard to BETWEEN THE BUTTONS - probably their most British-sounding album and, interestingly, HACKNEY DIAMONDS has a bit of that special British-flavor as well - it is a strange mix of pretty fresh, open-minded crazy experimentalism and a bit forced following the trends - like 'look, this is the direction pop music is taking at the moment, and we need to stay relevant'. That is to say, some of the stuff do not emerge from them very naturally, while some do rather well. Andrew's crazy production ices the cake. Those were the times.

But a fascinating album. They sound so young and hungry there. Willing to take risks and all that.

- Doxa

I think TSMR is an acquired taste. About half the album is brilliant, which makes it at least accessible. From there a few repeat listens and you can appreciate it, even if just from a historical perspective, what they achieved on that album, as a "garage band" as McCartney so ineloquently put it...just really unbelievable. And it stands the test of time...She's A Rainbow, 2000 Man & 2000 Light Years from Home beat the best Beatles psychedelia - though it's admittedly close.

Yeah, SATANIC MAJESTIES takes that route of following the trends so desperately that they almost have an attitude that 'damn we out-play any psychedelia album' and I think they go way, way deeper than The Beatles ever even dreamed about. It is a crazy album, but - or because of that - I love it! One of those moments when going way over the top or a failure can be a winner on its own terms. The hipsters nowadays seem to like that album a lot of these days, by the way. A kind of cult album. And everybody's been tired of SGT. PEPPER and its hype for ages.

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One thing that must put many of TSMR is that via many playback systems it can have a very hard, shrill and strident sound quality.

Some folks can't get past that to enjoy the music within.

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One thing that must put many of TSMR is that via many playback systems it can have a very hard, shrill and strident sound quality.

Some folks can't get past that to enjoy the music within.

Apart from Rainbow, 2000 Light Years and 2000 Man, and perhaps Gomper, TSMR always sounds thin, wheezy and weedy to me. A terrible sounding record.

Rod

I contemplated getting the Japan edition with Living In A Ghost Town but I opted for the CD single instead.

It's very bizarre that they didn't release Driving Me Too Hard and Get Close as singles. Way better songs than Mess It Up and SSOH.

Mess It Up isn't exactly... outstanding. Sweet Sounds Of Heaven was edited.

Although, since there's the 18 month plan for promoting the album, maybe there will be a couple more singles. But the Polydor article made it sound like that's it for the singles.

The third single is Mess It Up, which is one of the two songs that Charlie [Watts] plays drums on. That's kind of like a long lost relative of Miss You, it’s more disco-infused Stones. The album has got a bit of something for everyone. It's got the Rolling Stone blues cover at the end, it’s almost like going full circle. It's absolutely brilliant.

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It's very bizarre that they didn't release Driving Me Too Hard and Get Close as singles. Way better songs than Mess It Up and SSOH.

Mess It Up isn't exactly... outstanding. Sweet Sounds Of Heaven was edited.

Although, since there's the 18 month plan for promoting the album, maybe there will be a couple more singles. But the Polydor article made it sound like that's it for the singles.

The third single is Mess It Up, which is one of the two songs that Charlie [Watts] plays drums on. That's kind of like a long lost relative of Miss You, it’s more disco-infused Stones. The album has got a bit of something for everyone. It's got the Rolling Stone blues cover at the end, it’s almost like going full circle. It's absolutely brilliant.

[www.musicweek.com]

It's sort of sad and weird really, that they can sell tickets for hundreds or even thousands of dollars, but people won't buy the CD, or whatever other way they can listen to the new album. I don't get it. It's not the money clearly, just complete indifference to new material.

That and the fact that, for many, a Stones show has little to do with the musical content and more to do with seeing the Stones being "a thing" to do, an experience... and a great [if expensive] night out .



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Glad for you your digging into it. There's no doubt about the convenience of streaming, and I use it when I'm busy, but when I'm going to sit down and enjoy music, it's the vinyl and the CDs that come out. Love it.

I recently ordered (ABKCO remasters) OUT OF OUR HEADS UK, AFTERMATH UK and BETWEEN THE BUTTONS UK and...

BTB is the absolute weirdest Stones album ever.

I had it a long time ago (US) but never really listened to it.

Yesterday... I kept thinking, Whut?

Bizarre album.

It has to be their WEIRDEST album ever.


Debating on getting the rest. I already had BB and LIB. And now these three.

I just can't see getting TSMR again.

In regard to BETWEEN THE BUTTONS - probably their most British-sounding album and, interestingly, HACKNEY DIAMONDS has a bit of that special British-flavor as well - it is a strange mix of pretty fresh, open-minded crazy experimentalism and a bit forced following the trends - like 'look, this is the direction pop music is taking at the moment, and we need to stay relevant'. That is to say, some of the stuff do not emerge from them very naturally, while some do rather well. Andrew's crazy production ices the cake. Those were the times.

But a fascinating album. They sound so young and hungry there. Willing to take risks and all that.

- Doxa

I think TSMR is an acquired taste. About half the album is brilliant, which makes it at least accessible. From there a few repeat listens and you can appreciate it, even if just from a historical perspective, what they achieved on that album, as a "garage band" as McCartney so ineloquently put it...just really unbelievable. And it stands the test of time...She's A Rainbow, 2000 Man & 2000 Light Years from Home beat the best Beatles psychedelia - though it's admittedly close.

Yeah, SATANIC MAJESTIES takes that route of following the trends so desperately that they almost have an attitude that 'damn we out-play any psychedelia album' and I think they go way, way deeper than The Beatles ever even dreamed about. It is a crazy album, but - or because of that - I love it! One of those moments when going way over the top or a failure can be a winner on its own terms. The hipsters nowadays seem to like that album a lot of these days, by the way. A kind of cult album. And everybody's been tired of SGT. PEPPER and its hype for ages.

- Doxa

It seems to me that Brian was heavily involved in making Satanic .His mellotron, sitar, dulcimer seem to be all over the album.Much more of a presence than on Buttons or Beggars

Reading this again earlier today, something caught my eye: Polydor's Ali Tant possibly hinted at a fourth single, Depending On You.

Personally I think Driving Me Too Hard is the better choice.

If Polydor is really going to stick with their 18 month plan, July is month 12, so... they're going to stop promoting HACKNEY DIAMONDS at the end of February 2025?


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gone back to the album (atmos mix) after a while last night, appreciate

To me Whole Wide World and Sweet Sounds of Heaven were the ones which gained the most from live adaptation. Not so much the other ones.
I know many people like Tell Me Straight but to me it's like a sleeping pill - it sedates me. More suitable for a movie score maybe?

Sleeping pill? Maybe if you've got a heart of stone

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To me Whole Wide World and Sweet Sounds of Heaven were the ones which gained the most from live adaptation. Not so much the other ones.
I know many people like Tell Me Straight but to me it's like a sleeping pill - it sedates me. More suitable for a movie score maybe?

What's weirder to me is their mentality of not playing more songs from the album, like Get Close, Driving Me Too Hard and Depending On You, which is quite slow.

They played Bite My Head Off once?

During the BRIDGES tour they at least gave some other songs outside the normal 4 they did for a while a shot at least once! One of Keith's wandered in and out, making it 5.

Madison Square Garden 1998 they did one other each night - Already Over Me, Might As Well Get Juiced, Keith had two pop in - How Can I Stop and Thief In The Night.

After those shows Thief and You Don't Have To Mean It were changed out often but the other 4 were mostly solid.

Even then they were "fighting" their legacy but 1997 people still bought music.

2024 their legacy has been altered a little, on their terms, it's pretty much HOT ROCKS live, with a few post-1972 tracks thrown in (IORR, Miss You, Start Me Up, the occasional later one with the internet pick of Shattered or Heartbreaker, and uh... You Got Me Rocking).

Looking forward to what they decide to play for Europe in 2025 - certainly it won't be very different but one to three songs different could change the show - hopefully more HD songs. The "new album" will be basically a year and a half old, not that 18 years between BANG and DIAMONDS is a factor.

4th single in April before the tour starts? That's over the 18 month plan, maybe it'll be earlier.

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I don't think these numbers work well in big stadiums. In fact they are kind of downers to most people (except hardcore fans in the pits of course).
But given the right format - maybe a jazz club or a movie music score? - they would shine, I guess...

Depending On You would be a good choice for their next single, if there is going to be one. Yes, it's slow but I honestly think it would resonate with a good many listeners, in my opinion anyway.

Get Close I was really hoping to hear live, my favorite song on HD.

Having listened to the album incessantly for a number of months now, the songs Get Close, Depending on You, WWW, Bite My Head off, Dreamy Skies and Driving Me Too Hard just don't get old.

Nothing wrong with the rest of the album, but it's not like I'm dying to put Angry on. But I'm that way with Satisfaction too.

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Having listened to the album incessantly for a number of months now, the songs Get Close, Depending on You, WWW, Bite My Head off, Dreamy Skies and Driving Me Too Hard just don't get old.

Nothing wrong with the rest of the album, but it's not like I'm dying to put Angry on. But I'm that way with Satisfaction too.

I'm too young to listen to Satisfaction ever again. Gimme Angry anytime - I'm too old not to hear it again and again and again. Besides, Angry is way better than Satisfaction.

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I don't think these numbers work well in big stadiums. In fact they are kind of downers to most people (except hardcore fans in the pits of course).
But given the right format - maybe a jazz club or a movie music score? - they would shine, I guess...

IMO, it works just as well as Slipping Away and You Got The Silver – in Keith's ballad slot. It's also shorter than the two others.

Now that the tour is over and the “momentum” is gone from going to shows, I still haven’t put HD down. Whole Wide World live, especially NJ 2 version is killer. I love watching the YouTube videos of that. Live By The Sword/Driving Me Too Hard duo got old for me. Angry, Get Close, BMHO, Whole Wide World, Mess It Up I’m still playing almost every day

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Whole Wide World live, especially NJ 2 version is killer. I love watching the YouTube videos of that.

Impossible to judge, you have to be at the show...

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Whole Wide World live, especially NJ 2 version is killer. I love watching the YouTube videos of that.

Impossible to judge, you have to be at the show...

I was there….and it was phenomenal. More juice than when I got it at Cleveland imo. Still great but NJ2 was definitely clicking more



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Having listened to the album incessantly for a number of months now, the songs Get Close, Depending on You, WWW, Bite My Head off, Dreamy Skies and Driving Me Too Hard just don't get old.

Nothing wrong with the rest of the album, but it's not like I'm dying to put Angry on. But I'm that way with Satisfaction too.

I'm too young to listen to Satisfaction ever again. Gimme Angry anytime - I'm too old not to hear it again and again and again. Besides, Angry is way better than Satisfaction.

Wow...
I dread the day someone will claim Get Close is way better than Gimme Shelter...

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Whole Wide World live, especially NJ 2 version is killer. I love watching the YouTube videos of that.

Impossible to judge, you have to be at the show...

I was there….and it was phenomenal. More juice than when I got it at Cleveland imo. Still great but NJ2 was definitely clicking more

Ah OK, sorry, so you have the right to express an opinion, you respect the charter ^^

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Someone correct me if I'm wrong:

Before the album came out there was a leak of song names and people thought, rightfully so, really?

Angry?

Whole Wide World?

Song titles that didn't seem... Stones.

I felt the same. WTF.

It kinda reminded me of DIRTY WORK.

Anyone wanna go there?

The results are insanely different. So glad it wasn't.

As great as Angry is, which truly is magnificent, the best single since Start Me Up, and as wonderful as... Get Close it possibly the best song on the album.

Whatever.

Something that hasn't been talked about: they didn't GO OFF into... what kinda happened with BRIDGES: HACKNEY DIAMONDS is a real Stones album. Unless anyone hear hasn't gotten past 1974, it did occur to me that perhaps this Stones album would be full of...

Nope.

No idea. But maybe Andrew Watt kept them (Mick) from being chasing.

Can't remember that leak ? First time we heard anything was at the PC...although there had been hints in the fake HD newspapers, like "Don't Get Angry, Get it Fixed" or something like that. Or is that what you mean ?

As for "HD Pt II", last we heard was from "near" the horse's mouth, i.e. Andrew Watt, and he said nothing was in the works at this point..not that he would likely be allowed to make any announcements, but he could have said something "no comment, you need to ask the Stones"...

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Before the album came out there was a leak of song names and people thought, rightfully so, really?

It was no leak - music fans often look up public databases of the rights-societies like ASCAP, SACEM or GEMA for new releases - [iorr.org] , [iorr.org] .

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Before the album came out there was a leak of song names and people thought, rightfully so, really?

It was no leak - music fans often look up public databases of the rights-societies like ASCAP, SACEM or GEMA for new releases - [iorr.org] , [iorr.org] .

Oh right - it was thought to have been a leak but they were indeed published.

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Having listened to the album incessantly for a number of months now, the songs Get Close, Depending on You, WWW, Bite My Head off, Dreamy Skies and Driving Me Too Hard just don't get old.

Nothing wrong with the rest of the album, but it's not like I'm dying to put Angry on. But I'm that way with Satisfaction too.

I'm too young to listen to Satisfaction ever again. Gimme Angry anytime - I'm too old not to hear it again and again and again. Besides, Angry is way better than Satisfaction.

Wow...
I dread the day someone will claim Get Close is way better than Gimme Shelter...

Seeing as both aren't singles, it's possible.

Just because something was a number one single doesn't mean it's "better".

What's better?

Satisfaction or Miss You?

Satisfaction or Gimme Shelter?

Satisfaction or Jumpin' Jack Flash?

Satisfaction or Honky Tonk Women?

Satisfaction or YCAGWYW?

Satisfaction or Midnight Rambler?

Satisfaction or Monkey Man?

Satisfaction or Brown Sugar?

Satisfaction or Can't You Hear Me Knocking?

Satisfaction or Sister Morphine?

Satisfaction or I Got The Blues?

Satisfaction or Wild Horses?

Satisfaction or Moonlight Mile?

Satisfaction or Rocks Off?

Satisfaction or Tumbling Dice?


Chart ranking does not mean it's "better". How long it's been around does not qualify it as "better". Keith thought the song stunk. It's a catchy tune, that's for sure, but so is Casino Boogie.

I'd rather listen to Casino Boogie - or Angry - than Satisfaction. And a lot of other 1960s tunes, if not all of them. Heard them way enough.

If one is listening to Angry instead of Gimme Shelter, it doesn't matter. It's really stupid to compare songs. It's one thing to be tired of something, hence Angry over Satisfaction, it's another to compare: there is zero reason for me to listen to Satisfaction ever again.

Or Gimme Shelter or JJF or SFTD and on and on and on - any of the HOT ROCKS songs. No need at all. Not even required listening in my house. If I never heard SFTD again it'll be too soon. Heard it way too much.

I'd rather listen to Angry.

Of course it is stupid to compare songs, of course there are thousands of great songs that never have never entered the top 100, and there are thousands of songs that charted but are not so good.

And, above all, opinions differ.

That said ...

Let's take Angie and Streets of Love, for example.

Streets - and I know my opinion is not popular here - is a very good pop ballad, it has a very catchy chorus, and it was not a surprise that it was a hit in many countries (which was an incredible achievement for a band of old farts).

Angie is something else. It is not a mere catchy melody. Everything is perfection in that song. The chord sequence, the guitar and piano arrangements, the structure of the song, the string orchestration - there are so many distinctive hooks. All the musicians involved left their distinctive unique trademark. You hear that harmonic, and you know its Angie. The more you scratch below the surface, the more you are rewarded.

Streets, on the contrary, is just verse and chorus. You can recognize some distinctive Charlie drumming, but for the rest, it could be Jagger with whoever.

My baby daughter, who didn't and still doesn't give a shit of all these details, she used to love Streets and was bored by Angie.

Who am I to say she is wrong.

BUT those details do matter to me. And, more often than not, when there is a song that I love, that I want to play and play again and even learn how to play, those details are there.

So I guess I do compare without knowing it!

Angry now.

Up to Keith's solo, the album version is a very good song, but kinda Wandering Spirit rock. From keith's solo onward, I hear the magic that I look for in a Stones song.

Live, it worked quite flat in the first outings. Later in the tour it really got together, despite the "Don't stop" singalong section, which I find quite embarassing ...

Yes, I think I'll play a little Satisfaction

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