Nothing good about TM. Glad to see scrutiny like this coming down on them. I would rather go back to sleeping out on the pavement overnight if it meant getting a more fair chance than TM's rigged system provides me.

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Supply and demand. Too bad we won't band together and boycott overpriced shows. That could swing the pendulum the other way. Won't happen though, so we get what we deserve.

The unethical tricks of holding back blocks of tickets till way after tickets go on sale, however, isn't our fault, and should be addressed. Creating false scarcity is unethical.

I couldn't agree with you more.

Yep..the whole area of business that TM and similar agencies have created is unethical, but governments the world over lack the will and/or the bottle to address it.

"Entertainment" doesn't need government intervention and management. In Los Angeles at least there are plenty of low cost and free options for a night out, ridiculous parking fees aside.

Now obsessive compulsive disorder, FOMO, celebrity worship etc might be addressed via a better mental health system.

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Why Pearl Jam weren’t listened to back in 94-95 I’ll never know…

And 40 years of crying about ticket prices, why didn't consumers just speak with their wallets?

That would be 30 years. And as much as I love Pearl Jam and their stances on most things (including fighting TM), you’re right. It’d be cool to see what would happen if we all stopped buying tickets over $100 (or $50 or whatever) for any show. How would it impact prices, TM, touring, bands, etc?

Now bands have backed themselves into a corner because touring expenses are so high. This is really affecting the smaller and mid-range bands right now though we had a few high profile cancelations with Jennifer Lopez and the Black Keys.

With the exception of LD's I pretty much only buy secondary / last minute. If it's too expensive I don't go. It's OK to not go or spend more money on things than you want to.

Pretty messy for the Black Keys indeed as per [www.rollingstone.com] they've fired Azoff now, he also started the problem when he charged $100 for the Eagles reunion tour

It doesn't help that the Black Keys are on the way down too, in Paris they couldn't sell out 2xZenith (about 6000) when they sold out Bercy ~15000 a few years ago.

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Azoff is a good manager in certain aspects as he gets the most for his clients but also he briefly managed GNR, got them that amazing deal with Best Buy to allow Axl to at least semi-recoup on Chinese Democracy but was apparently accused of trying to sabotage that lineup and force a reunion.

Of course some acts know the best strategy for long term success is not to bleed your fans dry at every angle.

We are also hitting the end of the post Covid boom (if there ever was one) as well as disposable income being stretched to the limits.

But the current ticket marketplace allows me to go to almost as many shows as I want, whatever I want, buying only secondary / last minute.

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Why Pearl Jam weren’t listened to back in 94-95 I’ll never know…

It is ridiculous.

Article about Taylor Swift and Pearl Jam.

[medium.com]

Is there a Resellers problems thread? I'll put this here for now.

Since seeing Chappell Roan in Richmond 19 days ago I've been watching her eruption on the music scene continue. She was just the event at NY's Governor's Ball festival; a drone shot of that crowd:
[www.reddit.com]
Rolling Stone got some shots of her in her Statue of Liberty stage costume one of which I expect to see on its cover immediately.

Tonight is Norfolk VA's turn with the Chappellmania experience. However, they couldn't upgrade its show out of the 1,800(?) capacity Norva Theater.

I just read on Reddit that a girl bought 3 Norfolk tix in January, well before Chappell blew up. Bought them on Seat Geek. Seat Geek told her YESTERDAY the seller cancelled the sale yesterday. She bought them (or so she thought) when they were very cheap, but now they're obviously worth a small fortune... people are paying outrageous prices to resellers and flying cross-country to see Chappell on this her break-out tour. The FOMO is out of control.

"Mermaid" is the audience dress-up theme Chappell assigned to Norfolk. The girl, out of state, had made mermaid costumes for herself, her friend, and her sister.

Resellers. Ugh. There's so much I hate about the TM/LiveNation megabeast. But at least its re-sells are transferred on purchase.

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I'm down in Virginia
with your Cousin Lou



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Why Pearl Jam weren’t listened to back in 94-95 I’ll never know…

And 40 years of crying about ticket prices, why didn't consumers just speak with their wallets?

That would be 30 years. And as much as I love Pearl Jam and their stances on most things (including fighting TM), you’re right. It’d be cool to see what would happen if we all stopped buying tickets over $100 (or $50 or whatever) for any show. How would it impact prices, TM, touring, bands, etc?

Now bands have backed themselves into a corner because touring expenses are so high. This is really affecting the smaller and mid-range bands right now though we had a few high profile cancelations with Jennifer Lopez and the Black Keys.

With the exception of LD's I pretty much only buy secondary / last minute. If it's too expensive I don't go. It's OK to not go or spend more money on things than you want to.

Pretty messy for the Black Keys indeed as per [www.rollingstone.com] they've fired Azoff now, he also started the problem when he charged $100 for the Eagles reunion tour

It doesn't help that the Black Keys are on the way down too, in Paris they couldn't sell out 2xZenith (about 6000) when they sold out Bercy ~15000 a few years ago.

The plot thickens : "Black Keys’ Patrick Carney: ‘We Got F-cked’ Amid Tour Cancellation"

[www.rollingstone.com]

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I’d not seen this before - apparently artists can restrict resale of tickets via TicketBastards at massive markup, if they choose to. (Hip fans, don’t get too excited. Not a concert, but a talk to promote their new book. Still…nice to see them together. The 4-part documentary No Dress Rehearsal is a must see, up on Prime.) I love them more than ever for protecting ticket prices.

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I’d not seen this before - apparently artists can restrict resale of tickets via TicketBastards at massive markup, if they choose to. (Hip fans, don’t get too excited. Not a concert, but a talk to promote their new book. Still…nice to see them together. The 4-part documentary No Dress Rehearsal is a must see, up on Prime.) I love them more than ever for protecting ticket prices.

Until you can't go, go to list your ticket and find your seat surrounded by loads of recently released tickets at a much lower price.

I scribbled this out after the Foo Fighters shows last month

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When they played Citi Field here in NYC this past summer I waited until after the Pretenders started playing and all the "verified resale" tickets prices dropped significantly on the TM app.
We scored a pair for $80 that were originally $120 each.
I saw the tickets listed on the app and then went to the box office.
Showed them the tickets I wanted to purchase on the app and then bought them at the box office window and saved $25 in fees.

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When they played Citi Field here in NYC this past summer I waited until after the Pretenders started playing and all the "verified resale" tickets prices dropped significantly on the TM app.
We scored a pair for $80 that were originally $120 each.
I saw the tickets listed on the app and then went to the box office.
Showed them the tickets I wanted to purchase on the app and then bought them at the box office window and saved $25 in fees.

Awesome! I tried that Sunday (as my GF sat with her niece) but the box office was still showing sold out.

Got into Boris / Starcrawler for 6.37 last night and Paul Weller, at least as of last night, was $6 but the novelty of going to just anything because it's cheap / free has worn off.

EXCLUSIVE

‘It Is Time to Break It Up’: Inside the DOJ’s Blockbuster Lawsuit Against Live Nation

The Justice Department has accused the live-music behemoth of “abuse, exploitation, and self-dealing.” Live Nation says the DOJ is “being extremely disingenuous” about why the system is broken. The battle could decide the future of the concert industry

By Ethan Millman
Sep 30, 2024 8:07 pm


Illustration by MATTHEW COOLEY

[www.rollingstone.com]

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I’d not seen this before - apparently artists can restrict resale of tickets via TicketBastards at massive markup, if they choose to. (Hip fans, don’t get too excited. Not a concert, but a talk to promote their new book. Still…nice to see them together. The 4-part documentary No Dress Rehearsal is a must see, up on Prime.) I love them more than ever for protecting ticket prices.

Hi STG, I have Billie Eilish tickets for Vancouver in early December and this is the same. Can't transfer them and can only sell back to ticketmaster. If I had 8 tickets, all 8 of us would have to enter at the same time and I'd have to scan my phone 8 times. Not sure if there's a way around this?

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Hi STG, I have Billie Eilish tickets for Vancouver in early December and this is the same. Can't transfer them and can only sell back to ticketmaster. If I had 8 tickets, all 8 of us would have to enter at the same time and I'd have to scan my phone 8 times. Not sure if there's a way around this?

Brokers use a third party service that generate something called a wallet link that displays the moving barcode on your phone. Not something available to the average person. This is what I got when I bought Pearl Jam ($26), Neil Young (2 for $22) and Queen / Adam Lambert ($33-ish). The smart guys should have just left well enough alone...

However Ticketmaster is suing / sending cease & desist letters. They want their venues to start rejecting these. The new amphitheatre in Bridgeport, CT color codes the tickets by section in the app for easier crowd control and was apparently rejecting these at a Queen tribute show of all things recently.

[Sigh] This is why we can’t have nice things.

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I’d not seen this before - apparently artists can restrict resale of tickets via TicketBastards at massive markup, if they choose to. (Hip fans, don’t get too excited. Not a concert, but a talk to promote their new book. Still…nice to see them together. The 4-part documentary No Dress Rehearsal is a must see, up on Prime.) I love them more than ever for protecting ticket prices.

Hi STG, I have Billie Eilish tickets for Vancouver in early December and this is the same. Can't transfer them and can only sell back to ticketmaster. If I had 8 tickets, all 8 of us would have to enter at the same time and I'd have to scan my phone 8 times. Not sure if there's a way around this?

The workaround I`m aware of, and I have the same issue having bought tickets for others, and I`m not even going, is to give everyone your access to ticketmaster, presuming you trust them, and everyone then scans as you. It`s ridiculous but apparently works.

Then you change your password after the show.

The other alternative is to sell everyone their tickets, and TM keeps yet another fee.

They are thieves. The government should sue them for monopolistic behaviour and anticompetitive practices.

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I’d not seen this before - apparently artists can restrict resale of tickets via TicketBastards at massive markup, if they choose to. (Hip fans, don’t get too excited. Not a concert, but a talk to promote their new book. Still…nice to see them together. The 4-part documentary No Dress Rehearsal is a must see, up on Prime.) I love them more than ever for protecting ticket prices.

Hi STG, I have Billie Eilish tickets for Vancouver in early December and this is the same. Can't transfer them and can only sell back to ticketmaster. If I had 8 tickets, all 8 of us would have to enter at the same time and I'd have to scan my phone 8 times. Not sure if there's a way around this?

The workaround I`m aware of, and I have the same issue having bought tickets for others, and I`m not even going, is to give everyone your access to ticketmaster, presuming you trust them, and everyone then scans as you. It`s ridiculous but apparently works.

Then you change your password after the show.

The other alternative is to sell everyone their tickets, and TM keeps yet another fee.

They are thieves. The government should sue them for monopolistic behaviour and anticompetitive practices.

And you have to risk checkout errors or someone else just snapping up the ticket in front of you. I always recommend never buying more tickets than you can use yourself.

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EXCLUSIVE

‘It Is Time to Break It Up’: Inside the DOJ’s Blockbuster Lawsuit Against Live Nation

The Justice Department has accused the live-music behemoth of “abuse, exploitation, and self-dealing.” Live Nation says the DOJ is “being extremely disingenuous” about why the system is broken. The battle could decide the future of the concert industry

By Ethan Millman
Sep 30, 2024 8:07 pm


Illustration by MATTHEW COOLEY

[www.rollingstone.com]

Not trying to inject politics but the election will determine the direction this goes. Micael Rapino and Live Nation donate to one side......

This will continue as long as consumers keep buying these overpriced tickets.

I stopped buying tickets when they go on sale a long time ago.
The secondary market is always cheaper as the show date gets closer for most shows I go to.

The only tickets I actually buy when they go on sale are Lucky Dips, which is still the best bargain in Rock'n'Roll these days.

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I’d not seen this before - apparently artists can restrict resale of tickets via TicketBastards at massive markup, if they choose to. (Hip fans, don’t get too excited. Not a concert, but a talk to promote their new book. Still…nice to see them together. The 4-part documentary No Dress Rehearsal is a must see, up on Prime.) I love them more than ever for protecting ticket prices.

Hi STG, I have Billie Eilish tickets for Vancouver in early December and this is the same. Can't transfer them and can only sell back to ticketmaster. If I had 8 tickets, all 8 of us would have to enter at the same time and I'd have to scan my phone 8 times. Not sure if there's a way around this?

The workaround I`m aware of, and I have the same issue having bought tickets for others, and I`m not even going, is to give everyone your access to ticketmaster, presuming you trust them, and everyone then scans as you. It`s ridiculous but apparently works.

Then you change your password after the show.

The other alternative is to sell everyone their tickets, and TM keeps yet another fee.

They are thieves. The government should sue them for monopolistic behaviour and anticompetitive practices.

And you have to risk checkout errors or someone else just snapping up the ticket in front of you. I always recommend never buying more tickets than you can use yourself.

I'm not sure you're on topic. These are tickets we've bought for ourselves/family/friends, that we cannot transfer to them because TM, or they claim the artist, has restrictions on transferring (they say to avoid scalpers, though if you're transferring I'm not sure I get that argument), but they have no problem if you sell them, as they take another fee.

They're sleazeballs.

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I'm not sure you're on topic. These are tickets we've bought for ourselves/family/friends, that we cannot transfer to them because TM, or they claim the artist, has restrictions on transferring (they say to avoid scalpers, though if you're transferring I'm not sure I get that argument), but they have no problem if you sell them, as they take another fee.

They're sleazeballs.

I mean if you try to use TM resale as a means to transfer to another party as someone suggested.

But also this is what many people are demanding to "protect" themselves from scalping. Make all tickets non-transferable.

Usually there are no fees on the face value fan exchange.

But Ticketmaster resale fees aren't so much about double dipping, it pays for the service, a separate subsidiary in Bollingbrook, IL. The true value of Ticketmaster getting into the resale business with the purchase of Ticketsnow and integration into their system is to get real time pricing data. This is what led to platinum pricing, more accurate market based pricing and another selling point when LiveNation is bidding for events / tours.

....all shows are reconfigured the night of the event, due to the speaker/stage set-up. I got Reba McIntyre/Brooks & Dunn tickets for Worcester in the mid-nineties(12th row), after hearing the radio announcement. Took my nieces to see Madonna at Worcester in the 2000's, and there was a ticket window offering upgrade tickets, same situation.


Because my wife couldn't make the Foxboro HD show, I bought at the door (first time ever). There was a guy offering 14th row beside the runway section of the stage, and would take $120, (easily a $ 1000 seat) , but I opted for a seat at $350, in a section my wife and I always sit in

I'll do the honors...............aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!

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Pearl Jam back at it as well..

tickmaster pearl jam all in pricing

.............hey Snoopy, do you actually believe this crap?. Pearl Jam was the first band (or any act to my knowledge) to challenge TM (in the early 2000's)....guess what they ended up with???.........unemployment papers!.

...........IMO------this is clearly a feel-good agreement, probably dreamed up to make TM look good. The ACTUAL problem is that TM also controls the venues.

........ Some money people should approach (say all of the NFL stadiums)..............and hire seasoned concert promoters to book only stadium tours, then add other venues as it progresses, for the acts that cannot draw a stadium crowd.

The TM decision makers will be in the parking lot selling t-shirts!!!

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I'm not sure you're on topic. These are tickets we've bought for ourselves/family/friends, that we cannot transfer to them because TM, or they claim the artist, has restrictions on transferring (they say to avoid scalpers, though if you're transferring I'm not sure I get that argument), but they have no problem if you sell them, as they take another fee.

They're sleazeballs.

I mean if you try to use TM resale as a means to transfer to another party as someone suggested.

But also this is what many people are demanding to "protect" themselves from scalping. Make all tickets non-transferable.

Usually there are no fees on the face value fan exchange.

But Ticketmaster resale fees aren't so much about double dipping, it pays for the service, a separate subsidiary in Bollingbrook, IL. The true value of Ticketmaster getting into the resale business with the purchase of Ticketsnow and integration into their system is to get real time pricing data. This is what led to platinum pricing, more accurate market based pricing and another selling point when LiveNation is bidding for events / tours.

Well...I bought these tickets as gifts.

I cannot transfer them to the people I intended. It's ridiculous. If these are non-transferable, it should come up much clearer before you buy (I can only presume it was in the fine print somewhere), as in a warning because this is new policy.

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I'm not sure you're on topic. These are tickets we've bought for ourselves/family/friends, that we cannot transfer to them because TM, or they claim the artist, has restrictions on transferring (they say to avoid scalpers, though if you're transferring I'm not sure I get that argument), but they have no problem if you sell them, as they take another fee.

They're sleazeballs.

I mean if you try to use TM resale as a means to transfer to another party as someone suggested.

But also this is what many people are demanding to "protect" themselves from scalping. Make all tickets non-transferable.

Usually there are no fees on the face value fan exchange.

But Ticketmaster resale fees aren't so much about double dipping, it pays for the service, a separate subsidiary in Bollingbrook, IL. The true value of Ticketmaster getting into the resale business with the purchase of Ticketsnow and integration into their system is to get real time pricing data. This is what led to platinum pricing, more accurate market based pricing and another selling point when LiveNation is bidding for events / tours.

Well...I bought these tickets as gifts.

I cannot transfer them to the people I intended. It's ridiculous. If these are non-transferable, it should come up much clearer before you buy (I can only presume it was in the fine print somewhere), as in a warning because this is new policy.

I know it was advertised all over and there is usually a TM pop-up (though other than LD's where I know the score haven't done an on sale in years) but I follow ticketing issues closely. I don't really know what to say except it's ostensibly for your protection and this is what we the people demanded.

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I'm not sure you're on topic. These are tickets we've bought for ourselves/family/friends, that we cannot transfer to them because TM, or they claim the artist, has restrictions on transferring (they say to avoid scalpers, though if you're transferring I'm not sure I get that argument), but they have no problem if you sell them, as they take another fee.

They're sleazeballs.

I mean if you try to use TM resale as a means to transfer to another party as someone suggested.

But also this is what many people are demanding to "protect" themselves from scalping. Make all tickets non-transferable.

Usually there are no fees on the face value fan exchange.

But Ticketmaster resale fees aren't so much about double dipping, it pays for the service, a separate subsidiary in Bollingbrook, IL. The true value of Ticketmaster getting into the resale business with the purchase of Ticketsnow and integration into their system is to get real time pricing data. This is what led to platinum pricing, more accurate market based pricing and another selling point when LiveNation is bidding for events / tours.

Well...I bought these tickets as gifts.

I cannot transfer them to the people I intended. It's ridiculous. If these are non-transferable, it should come up much clearer before you buy (I can only presume it was in the fine print somewhere), as in a warning because this is new policy.

Hey Treacle, was yours Eilish tickets? This is the first time I've seen this where you can't transfer/sell them to someone else except back to Ticketmaster. This year I've seen Madonna, Stones, Pink, Springsteen in November and they were all the usual where I could transfer the other ticket to the friend I was going with.

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I'm not sure you're on topic. These are tickets we've bought for ourselves/family/friends, that we cannot transfer to them because TM, or they claim the artist, has restrictions on transferring (they say to avoid scalpers, though if you're transferring I'm not sure I get that argument), but they have no problem if you sell them, as they take another fee.

They're sleazeballs.

I mean if you try to use TM resale as a means to transfer to another party as someone suggested.

But also this is what many people are demanding to "protect" themselves from scalping. Make all tickets non-transferable.

Usually there are no fees on the face value fan exchange.

But Ticketmaster resale fees aren't so much about double dipping, it pays for the service, a separate subsidiary in Bollingbrook, IL. The true value of Ticketmaster getting into the resale business with the purchase of Ticketsnow and integration into their system is to get real time pricing data. This is what led to platinum pricing, more accurate market based pricing and another selling point when LiveNation is bidding for events / tours.

Well...I bought these tickets as gifts.

I cannot transfer them to the people I intended. It's ridiculous. If these are non-transferable, it should come up much clearer before you buy (I can only presume it was in the fine print somewhere), as in a warning because this is new policy.

Hey Treacle, was yours Eilish tickets? This is the first time I've seen this where you can't transfer/sell them to someone else except back to Ticketmaster. This year I've seen Madonna, Stones, Pink, Springsteen in November and they were all the usual where I could transfer the other ticket to the friend I was going with.

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Yes, Eilish. I bought another set of tickets for a different show in September, same thing, couldn't transfer them. I opened up a complaint to TM and they never replied like they said they were going to within 24 hours or whatever it was. Then, a week before the show you could transfer...not sure what the deal was, maybe they got a bunch of complaints. That's what I was going to do with Eilish tickets as well...just bitch loudly.

I'm done buying tickets as gifts though, too much hassle.

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Yes, Eilish. I bought another set of tickets for a different show in September, same thing, couldn't transfer them. I opened up a complaint to TM and they never replied like they said they were going to within 24 hours or whatever it was. Then, a week before the show you could transfer...not sure what the deal was, maybe they got a bunch of complaints. That's what I was going to do with Eilish tickets as well...just bitch loudly.

I'm done buying tickets as gifts though, too much hassle.

Often times they don't open tickets for transfer until much later.

Aside from Lucky Dips I pretty much stopped buying advance tickets period but it's usually just me and sometimes my girlfriend. I actually tried give myself an opening to back out of Green Day when I saw a single ticket 3 seats from her sister's tickets but she wasn't happening. Next day in the same general area they were reduced by half. Show was like 98% sold out but why not just dump the last 2% for a full house and sell extreme side view video only out the window for $35.

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Yes, Eilish. I bought another set of tickets for a different show in September, same thing, couldn't transfer them. I opened up a complaint to TM and they never replied like they said they were going to within 24 hours or whatever it was. Then, a week before the show you could transfer...not sure what the deal was, maybe they got a bunch of complaints. That's what I was going to do with Eilish tickets as well...just bitch loudly.

I'm done buying tickets as gifts though, too much hassle.

Often times they don't open tickets for transfer until much later.

Aside from Lucky Dips I pretty much stopped buying advance tickets period but it's usually just me and sometimes my girlfriend. I actually tried give myself an opening to back out of Green Day when I saw a single ticket 3 seats from her sister's tickets but she wasn't happening. Next day in the same general area they were reduced by half. Show was like 98% sold out but why not just dump the last 2% for a full house and sell extreme side view video only out the window for $35.

If they do at all. It's at their whim, and homey don't play that game.