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It would appear that Ticketmaster has removed the option to filter out "Official Platinum" tickets when you do a search. So now the Platinums come up under "Standard" tickets.

From what I did see some of those Platinums have also come down in price, much closer to the already overpriced "regular" tickets!

Seems that the US Department of Justice is preparing to file Antitrust charges against Live Nation, the parent company of TicketBastards. It flows from the Taylor Swift ticket fiasco, but anyone who walked over hot coals to get Stones tix can see the similarities…and cheer.

[www.theverge.com]

The only thing is there really isn't anything the government can do to get everyone who wanted a Taylor Swift ticket inside. This also won't make tickets cheaper. It might help smaller venues / ticketing companies but as almost always whoever writes the biggest checks will get the acts in their building.

Yeah, I've sadly just resigned to the fact that nothing with TM/Livenation is ever gonna change. The whole ticket system is screwed up too far and deep that I can't imagine anything of actual consequence making it better. Its super sad, but IMO its always been a hand in hand problems that corporations but also fans created. I guess everyone is allowed to spend whatever they want on tickets, its their money, but TM tried out new methods and people took it hook line and sinker. People could have voted with their wallets, and they didn't want to. They wanted to see their shows. So we get what we have now, everything being overpriced and steeped in so much corporate BS. The artists completely played into it too. Its fun to blame TM and their horrid ways, but they're far from the only scapegoats if we're all being honest.

Its really sad but I'm really happy I saw everyone I wanted to so that I don't have to deal with it very much these days. I don't look forward to when I have kids and they want to see whoever the Taylor Swift of that time is.

Supply and demand. Too bad we won't band together and boycott overpriced shows. That could swing the pendulum the other way. Won't happen though, so we get what we deserve.

The unethical tricks of holding back blocks of tickets till way after tickets go on sale, however, isn't our fault, and should be addressed. Creating false scarcity is unethical.



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Supply and demand. Too bad we won't band together and boycott overpriced shows. That could swing the pendulum the other way. Won't happen though, so we get what we deserve.

The unethical tricks of holding back blocks of tickets till way after tickets go on sale, however, isn't our fault, and should be addressed. Creating false scarcity is unethical.

I couldn't agree with you more.

wow

They’ve got me. Ticketmaster. I can only sell my tickets on their site if I have a US debit card or bank account for the funds to go into. Was not aware of that. Ash well.

I’ve reached out to a cpl of acquaintances…not close friends… in NYC to see if either of them would be happy getting the monies from sale of my tickets and then somehow get $s to me. That was not a twist in sale process I expected.

But main thing is to get the wife her medical care.

Rod

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They’ve got me. Ticketmaster. I can only sell my tickets on their site if I have a US debit card or bank account for the funds to go into. Was not aware of that. Ash well.

I’ve reached out to a cpl of acquaintances…not close friends… in NYC to see if either of them would be happy getting the monies from sale of my tickets and then somehow get $s to me. That was not a twist in sale process I expected.

But main thing is to get the wife her medical care.

Well that blows.. Are you saying you are able to transfer your tickets to someone in the U.S. and they sell? Having lost money with TM more than once I hope this works out for you -- And that all goes well with the wife!

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They’ve got me. Ticketmaster. I can only sell my tickets on their site if I have a US debit card or bank account for the funds to go into. Was not aware of that. Ash well.

I’ve reached out to a cpl of acquaintances…not close friends… in NYC to see if either of them would be happy getting the monies from sale of my tickets and then somehow get $s to me. That was not a twist in sale process I expected.

But main thing is to get the wife her medical care.

Well that blows.. Are you saying you are able to transfer your tickets to someone in the U.S. and they sell? Having lost money with TM more than once I hope this works out for you -- And that all goes well with the wife!

They are known as Ticketbastards for a reason that is well-earned.

When I get as far as typing “Ticke” my iPad now automatically suggests TicketBastards.

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They’ve got me. Ticketmaster. I can only sell my tickets on their site if I have a US debit card or bank account for the funds to go into. Was not aware of that. Ash well.

I’ve reached out to a cpl of acquaintances…not close friends… in NYC to see if either of them would be happy getting the monies from sale of my tickets and then somehow get $s to me. That was not a twist in sale process I expected.

But main thing is to get the wife her medical care.

Well that blows.. Are you saying you are able to transfer your tickets to someone in the U.S. and they sell? Having lost money with TM more than once I hope this works out for you -- And that all goes well with the wife!

No. I sell them but I have to nominate a US debit Card or bank account for the monies to go into. I argued with them that they accept an international credit card to purchase the tickets, so why not refund to that card? Just a flat NO.

Rod

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When I get as far as typing “Ticke” my iPad now automatically suggests TicketBastards.

thank you for that late night LOL moment.

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They’ve got me. Ticketmaster. I can only sell my tickets on their site if I have a US debit card or bank account for the funds to go into. Was not aware of that. Ash well.

I’ve reached out to a cpl of acquaintances…not close friends… in NYC to see if either of them would be happy getting the monies from sale of my tickets and then somehow get $s to me. That was not a twist in sale process I expected.

But main thing is to get the wife her medical care.

Well that blows.. Are you saying you are able to transfer your tickets to someone in the U.S. and they sell? Having lost money with TM more than once I hope this works out for you -- And that all goes well with the wife!

No. I sell them but I have to nominate a US debit Card or bank account for the monies to go into. I argued with them that they accept an international credit card to purchase the tickets, so why not refund to that card? Just a flat NO.

That is so weird.

Another Ticketmaster "feature" apparently is that you can not use Ticketmaster's own resale feature to resell a ticket that has been transferred to you via the Ticket Transfer option on TM.

At least that's what happened with a ticket I bought for my friend for Bruce Springsteen's show in Bergen, Norway. I bought it and then used the transfer feature to move the ticket over to her TM account.

Now she can no longer go and wanted to list the ticket via Ticketmaster Resale. TM said she couldn't.

All's well that ends well, though, she just listed it via the Backstreet Ticket Exchange forum. It only took her a couple of days to sell it.



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“US Justice Department to Seek Breakup of Live Nation-Ticketmaster”

[www.bnnbloomberg.ca]

The US Justice Department and a group of states will sue Live Nation Entertainment Inc. for antitrust violations related to Ticketmaster’s unrivaled control of concert ticket sales, according to people familiar with the case.
The suit is expected to be filed in the Southern District of New York Thursday, said the people who asked not to be identified. The dispute will seek remedies including breaking up Live Nation, said the people, who asked not to be named discussing confidential information.
Live Nation shares dropped by 10% in late trading following Bloomberg’s report on the Justice Department’s planned lawsuit.
The Justice Department declined to comment. Live Nation didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment.
The move is the latest antitrust suit pursued by the Biden administration, which has made competition a key component of its economic policy, bringing cases against companies including Alphabet Inc.’s Google and Amazon.com Inc.

Live Nation, the biggest US concert promoter, merged with ticketing giant Ticketmaster in 2010. President Barack Obama’s Justice Department reviewed the transaction and allowed it to move forward as part of a settlement in which the company promised it wouldn’t retaliate against concert venues that opted against using Ticketmaster.
The department, under President Donald Trump’s administration, found Live Nation had repeatedly violated that promise and entered into a modified settlement with the company in 2019 to impose an external monitor to investigate further allegations.
Joe Biden’s administration opened a new probe of the company in 2022 amid continued concerns that Live Nation hasn’t abided by the settlement terms. The case sparked widespread public interest after Ticketmaster bungled the massive demand for Taylor Swift tickets later that year.
Biden’s Justice Department has already filed twin monopolization cases against Google and in March sued Apple Inc. for allegedly thwarting innovation on its iPhone. The Federal Trade Commission, which jointly enforces the antitrust laws, is seeking to force Meta Platforms Inc. to sell off its Instagram and WhatsApp units and sued Amazon last year for monopolization of online marketplace services.

burn them down.

Resellers in UK looking to avoid proposed laws to crack down on them.

“Revealed: how touts drew up secret plans to sabotage Labour’s ticket reforms”

[www.theguardian.com]

“CTF believes that measures to restrict access to ticketing will create a black market with more transactions driven underground, removing customer security; reduce the availability of tickets to fans; and create further monopolies for vested interests which will see prices driven up for fans.”

I agree with this 100%

Alleged Ticketmaster hack in the news.

Why Pearl Jam weren’t listened to back in 94-95 I’ll never know…

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Alleged Ticketmaster hack in the news.

[www.theguardian.com]

[news.bloomberglaw.com]

[hackread.com]

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Why Pearl Jam weren’t listened to back in 94-95 I’ll never know…

And 40 years of crying about ticket prices, why didn't consumers just speak with their wallets?

From cybersecurity/malware site vx-underground

Today we spoke with multiple individuals privy to and involved in the alleged TicketMaster breach.

Sometime in April an unidentified Threat Group was able to get access to TicketMaster AWS instances by pivoting from a Managed Service Provider. The TicketMaster breach was not performed by ShinyHunters group. ShinyHunters is the individual and/or group which posted the auction of the data, they are acting as a proxy for the Threat Group responsible for the compromise.

Based on data provided to us by the Threat Group responsible for the compromise, we can assert with a high degree of confidence the data is legitimate. Date ranges in the database appear to go as far back as 2011. However, some dates show information from the mid-2000's. Data shared with us includes:

- Full name
- Email address
- Address
- Telephone number
- Credit card number (hashed)
- Credit card type, authentication type, etc
- All user financial transactions

NOTE: The data provided to us, even as a 'sample', was absurdly large and made it difficult to review in depth. We are unable to verify the authenticity of financial information. Briefly skimming the PII present in the dump, it appears authentic.

[x.com]

Live Nation reveals data breach at its Ticketmaster subsidiary

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
June 1, 2024

[apnews.com]

Live Nation confirms Ticketmaster data breach that could affect 560M users: What to know

By Lauren Irwin
06/01/2024

[thehill.com]

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Why Pearl Jam weren’t listened to back in 94-95 I’ll never know…

And 40 years of crying about ticket prices, why didn't consumers just speak with their wallets?

That would be 30 years. And as much as I love Pearl Jam and their stances on most things (including fighting TM), you’re right. It’d be cool to see what would happen if we all stopped buying tickets over $100 (or $50 or whatever) for any show. How would it impact prices, TM, touring, bands, etc?

Bands wouldn't tour. Secondary market prices indicate what people will pay. Supply and demand. What would lucky dip tix cost on stubhub if available. Not posted but sold.

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Bands wouldn't tour. Secondary market prices indicate what people will pay. Supply and demand. What would lucky dip tix cost on stubhub if available. Not posted but sold.

Totally understand supply and demand. Great question about LDs. People love a gamble, and the chance of getting PIT would make secondary market LD prices interesting.

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Why Pearl Jam weren’t listened to back in 94-95 I’ll never know…

And 40 years of crying about ticket prices, why didn't consumers just speak with their wallets?

That would be 30 years. And as much as I love Pearl Jam and their stances on most things (including fighting TM), you’re right. It’d be cool to see what would happen if we all stopped buying tickets over $100 (or $50 or whatever) for any show. How would it impact prices, TM, touring, bands, etc?

Now bands have backed themselves into a corner because touring expenses are so high. This is really affecting the smaller and mid-range bands right now though we had a few high profile cancelations with Jennifer Lopez and the Black Keys.

With the exception of LD's I pretty much only buy secondary / last minute. If it's too expensive I don't go. It's OK to not go or spend more money on things than you want to.

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Supply and demand. Too bad we won't band together and boycott overpriced shows. That could swing the pendulum the other way. Won't happen though, so we get what we deserve.

The unethical tricks of holding back blocks of tickets till way after tickets go on sale, however, isn't our fault, and should be addressed. Creating false scarcity is unethical.

I couldn't agree with you more.

Yep..the whole area of business that TM and similar agencies have created is unethical, but governments the world over lack the will and/or the bottle to address it.

I was looking at ticket sales of the Stones show at Thunder Ridge on July 21 by comparing screenshots of the webpage showing available/ unavailable seats... Side-by-side comparisons show seats that were previously marked "unavailable" (shown in gray) becoming available (shown in blue) as other nearby seats are sold.

This shows TM's practice of holding back tickets, especially in the slower selling sections, to create artificial scarcity and maximize their profits. This practice is not easy to discern... For example, look at the following comparisons of Section 1, Row 4, Seats 5-8 (the section on the left in each of the diagrams below, and counting up from the bottom)... Those seats become available after seats 3 and 4 are sold.




Sections 1,10 Last Fri (left)
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