I suppose georgelicks knows...



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Numbers have been released. By @touringdata.
They show up some surprises. I question them on the french shows. Average price is in Lyon $ 165.74 and Paris $ 129.11 Obviously Paris is underestimated as ticket prices were 20% more expensive in that of Lyon

Total attendance: 712,541
Gross Revenue: $121,326,763
14/14 shows.

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Numbers have been released. By @touringdata.
They show up some surprises. I question them on the french shows. Average price is in Lyon $ 165.74 and Paris $ 129.11 Obviously Paris is underestimated as ticket prices were 20% more expensive in that of Lyon

keep in mind that the venue at Paris was much bigger – there was a hell lot of space for GA

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Numbers have been released. By @touringdata.

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Thanks folks!

Yes, I just saw the numbers on Wikipedia too. But they did ... wrong addition and they gave wrong total number of attendance (665,602 instead of 712, 541).

So we have average attendance 50,895, including a small venue (Berlin), by these prices. Not bad at all...

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Yes, I just saw the numbers on Wikipedia too.

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You must right for Paris. In that case, the only way I can make it would be:
GA - $100 - 48,000
Others - $320 - 8,000

I had the impression that there we more people than just 50.-60.000 at the show in Paris

Hard to tell, but as I went to Hyde Park, i think the audience was less numerous in Paris than London.

See the Yahoo article here:

[www.yahoo.com]


The Rolling Stones’ recent Sixty tour of Europe grossed $120 million and played to total audiences of 712,000, reports Billboard Boxscore. The 14-date run – the third time in six years that the band have played that exact number of shows on a European itinerary – was announced in March and took place between June 1 and August 3.

The biggest engagement on the tour was, of course, the Stones’ return to London’s Hyde Park, because it featured two shows on consecutive weekends, playing to a total of 130,000 people and grossing $22.4 million. But the show at Olympiastadion in Munich on June 5 was also highly notable for breaking the $10 million grossing plateau. Several more topped the $9 million mark, including the opening night in Madrid (June 1), Amsterdam (July 7), and Vienna (July 15). The tour, almost uniformly acclaimed in the media in each country it visited, featured the band’s first-ever live performance of the 1966 track “Out Of Time.”


The average audience across each of the 14 dates was 51,000 per show, and the average gross $8.6 million. By those metrics, Sixty is thus the band’s most successful European tour ever, ahead of the 2017 and 2018 legs of the No Filter tour, which averaged just under $8.6m and $8.4m, respectively. By the measurement of total grosses, the recent schedule was behind the European leg of the Licks tour in 2003 – hardly surprising as that run’s total $129.7m gross was generated by a total of 46 dates.

Taking a deeper dive into its archives, Billboard Boxscore reports that the Stones’ total European tour grosses dating back to the Urban Jungle leg of the Steel Wheels tour, in 1990, are now at $904.2 million and 10.1 million tickets. Their total worldwide box office takings, from the first leg of that tour in 1989 to the present day, are $2.6 billion and a mind-boggling 28 million tickets.


Why would they stop after their most successful tour?



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So time for the next leg in Europe!

Total gross in 2003 for the Licks tour in 46 shows: 129 Millions
Total gross in 2022 for the Sixty tour in 14 shows: 120 Millions

Wait, what? That is insane!

It’s not insane. Look at the attendance and grossing of Coldplay, Ed Sheeran, Bad Bunny and Mc Cartney. There you got big numbers. To my humble opinion.

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It’s not insane. Look at the attendance and grossing of Coldplay, Ed Sheeran, Bad Bunny and Mc Cartney. There you got big numbers. To my humble opinion.

Sure, but I mean in their own comparison. 2.8 vs. 8.5 mio per show is Hugo, even considering inflation and general rise in living costs. Not to mention variety, quality and duración of shows.

But hey, I'm still going too

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Total gross in 2003 for the Licks tour in 46 shows: 129 Millions
Total gross in 2022 for the Sixty tour in 14 shows: 120 Millions

Wait, what? That is insane!

don't forget inflation and dynamic pricing etc.

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Total gross in 2003 for the Licks tour in 46 shows: 129 Millions
Total gross in 2022 for the Sixty tour in 14 shows: 120 Millions

Wait, what? That is insane!

don't forget inflation and dynamic pricing etc.

For sure. The biggest part, no doubt, isn’t inflation (no way things have tripled in cost in 19 years just because of inflation), but bands charging as much as they can. Ticketmaster has maximized profits because they know the supply/demand.

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Total gross in 2003 for the Licks tour in 46 shows: 129 Millions
Total gross in 2022 for the Sixty tour in 14 shows: 120 Millions

Wait, what? That is insane!

don't forget inflation and dynamic pricing etc.

For sure. The biggest part, no doubt, isn’t inflation (no way things have tripled in cost in 19 years just because of inflation), but bands charging as much as they can. Ticketmaster has maximized profits because they know the supply/demand.

Yes, just like some big cities seem to be pushing out less fortunate citizens to jack up rents. It's the gentrification of concert attendance. You don't have a good paying high tech job? Screw it, the working class can't go to concerts.

Thank heavens there's the conundrum of getting less for more from the aged performers. It's makes the decision to pay these outrageous prices a no brainer. I got just as much out of seeing Mick sing Out Of Time on YouTube as I would have seeing it live, and it was a hell of a lot cheaper. I've seen all these bands in better days, with better setlists, at extremely better prices.

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Total gross in 2003 for the Licks tour in 46 shows: 129 Millions
Total gross in 2022 for the Sixty tour in 14 shows: 120 Millions

Wait, what? That is insane!

don't forget inflation and dynamic pricing etc.

For sure. The biggest part, no doubt, isn’t inflation (no way things have tripled in cost in 19 years just because of inflation), but bands charging as much as they can. Ticketmaster has maximized profits because they know the supply/demand.

It's not exactly TicketMaster. It's promoters.

Mick says We want $400 million for 5 shows.

Promoter tells TicketMaster... $850000 for 5 shows.

That's really stupid but it's basically how it works.

Correct, Ticketmaster does not determine pricing.

[help.ticketmaster.com]

Ticketmaster is only in it for the fees. Of course, the higher the ticket price, the higher the fee.

Good - hopefully bodes well for second leg in 23!!

The Rolling Stones’ ‘Sixty’ Confirmed As Their Most Successful European Tour

Are we talking
"Most Successful" ...
Financially, musically,... or philosophically?



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Total gross in 2003 for the Licks tour in 46 shows: 129 Millions
Total gross in 2022 for the Sixty tour in 14 shows: 120 Millions

Wait, what? That is insane!

don't forget inflation and dynamic pricing etc.

For sure. The biggest part, no doubt, isn’t inflation (no way things have tripled in cost in 19 years just because of inflation), but bands charging as much as they can. Ticketmaster has maximized profits because they know the supply/demand.

It's not exactly TicketMaster. It's promoters.

Mick says We want $400 million for 5 shows.

Promoter tells TicketMaster... $850000 for 5 shows.

That's really stupid but it's basically how it works.

Actually the promoters set the price because they know what they can get. Then it goes to aThe Stones camp. Mick does NOT set the price. It’s always been that way

I’m with Schillid. Defining “success” purely in financial terms seems rather shallow if not downright crass.

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Total gross in 2003 for the Licks tour in 46 shows: 129 Millions
Total gross in 2022 for the Sixty tour in 14 shows: 120 Millions

Wait, what? That is insane!

don't forget inflation and dynamic pricing etc.

For sure. The biggest part, no doubt, isn’t inflation (no way things have tripled in cost in 19 years just because of inflation), but bands charging as much as they can. Ticketmaster has maximized profits because they know the supply/demand.

It's not exactly TicketMaster. It's promoters.

Mick says We want $400 million for 5 shows.

Promoter tells TicketMaster... $850000 for 5 shows.

That's really stupid but it's basically how it works.

Actually the promoters set the price because they know what they can get. Then it goes to aThe Stones camp. Mick does NOT set the price. It’s always been that way

Of course The Rolling Stones set the price. If the say "we only charge 2 million per gig and you are not allowed to charge more than 100€ per Ticket and those Tickets have to be personalized" the promoters would agree. But if the Stones want their maximum profit then of course the promoters charge those prizes. Every big group has the power to do so. That's why there are Lucky Dip Ticket at every Rolling Stones concert since 2014! U2 for example alwas has cheap standing tickets and no Front of Stage area (beside Red zone, which is NOT the best spot in the house).

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Total gross in 2003 for the Licks tour in 46 shows: 129 Millions
Total gross in 2022 for the Sixty tour in 14 shows: 120 Millions

Wait, what? That is insane!

don't forget inflation and dynamic pricing etc.

For sure. The biggest part, no doubt, isn’t inflation (no way things have tripled in cost in 19 years just because of inflation), but bands charging as much as they can. Ticketmaster has maximized profits because they know the supply/demand.

It's not exactly TicketMaster. It's promoters.

Mick says We want $400 million for 5 shows.

Promoter tells TicketMaster... $850000 for 5 shows.

That's really stupid but it's basically how it works.

Actually the promoters set the price because they know what they can get. Then it goes to aThe Stones camp. Mick does NOT set the price. It’s always been that way

Of course The Rolling Stones set the price. If the say "we only charge 2 million per gig and you are not allowed to charge more than 100€ per Ticket and those Tickets have to be personalized" the promoters would agree. But if the Stones want their maximum profit then of course the promoters charge those prizes. Every big group has the power to do so. That's why there are Lucky Dip Ticket at every Rolling Stones concert since 2014! U2 for example alwas has cheap standing tickets and no Front of Stage area (beside Red zone, which is NOT the best spot in the house).

My fault. I guess it's not ticketmaster. Either way, it's greed more than inflation.

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Total gross in 2003 for the Licks tour in 46 shows: 129 Millions
Total gross in 2022 for the Sixty tour in 14 shows: 120 Millions

Wait, what? That is insane!

don't forget inflation and dynamic pricing etc.

For sure. The biggest part, no doubt, isn’t inflation (no way things have tripled in cost in 19 years just because of inflation), but bands charging as much as they can. Ticketmaster has maximized profits because they know the supply/demand.

It's not exactly TicketMaster. It's promoters.

Mick says We want $400 million for 5 shows.

Promoter tells TicketMaster... $850000 for 5 shows.

That's really stupid but it's basically how it works.

Actually the promoters set the price because they know what they can get. Then it goes to aThe Stones camp. Mick does NOT set the price. It’s always been that way

Of course The Rolling Stones set the price. If the say "we only charge 2 million per gig and you are not allowed to charge more than 100€ per Ticket and those Tickets have to be personalized" the promoters would agree. But if the Stones want their maximum profit then of course the promoters charge those prizes. Every big group has the power to do so. That's why there are Lucky Dip Ticket at every Rolling Stones concert since 2014! U2 for example alwas has cheap standing tickets and no Front of Stage area (beside Red zone, which is NOT the best spot in the house).

No. The Stones do not set the price. It’s the promoter as stated before. They know the cost. The money is then guaranteed. If the promoter does not make the money they take the loss not the band. The Stones do not set the price of the tickets. They might say get me the most you can it’s up to the promoter to see how much the tour would cost, the market at the time etc. Everbody has to make money the promoter will not take a risk of a loss from greed of a band Sorry you’re wrong



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Total gross in 2003 for the Licks tour in 46 shows: 129 Millions
Total gross in 2022 for the Sixty tour in 14 shows: 120 Millions

Wait, what? That is insane!

don't forget inflation and dynamic pricing etc.

For sure. The biggest part, no doubt, isn’t inflation (no way things have tripled in cost in 19 years just because of inflation), but bands charging as much as they can. Ticketmaster has maximized profits because they know the supply/demand.

It's not exactly TicketMaster. It's promoters.

Mick says We want $400 million for 5 shows.

Promoter tells TicketMaster... $850000 for 5 shows.

That's really stupid but it's basically how it works.

Actually the promoters set the price because they know what they can get. Then it goes to aThe Stones camp. Mick does NOT set the price. It’s always been that way

Of course The Rolling Stones set the price. If the say "we only charge 2 million per gig and you are not allowed to charge more than 100€ per Ticket and those Tickets have to be personalized" the promoters would agree. But if the Stones want their maximum profit then of course the promoters charge those prizes. Every big group has the power to do so. That's why there are Lucky Dip Ticket at every Rolling Stones concert since 2014! U2 for example alwas has cheap standing tickets and no Front of Stage area (beside Red zone, which is NOT the best spot in the house).

No. The Stones do not set the price. It’s the promoter as stated before. They know the cost. The money is than guaranteed. If the promoter does not make the money they take the loss not the band. Again as stated before The Stones do not set the price.

They do not set the exact ticket price but they accept those prices by demanding high fees themselves. If the Stones think their prices should be limited they could so. To blame everything on promoters is a bit easy.

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Total gross in 2003 for the Licks tour in 46 shows: 129 Millions
Total gross in 2022 for the Sixty tour in 14 shows: 120 Millions

Wait, what? That is insane!

don't forget inflation and dynamic pricing etc.

For sure. The biggest part, no doubt, isn’t inflation (no way things have tripled in cost in 19 years just because of inflation), but bands charging as much as they can. Ticketmaster has maximized profits because they know the supply/demand.

It's not exactly TicketMaster. It's promoters.

Mick says We want $400 million for 5 shows.

Promoter tells TicketMaster... $850000 for 5 shows.

That's really stupid but it's basically how it works.

Actually the promoters set the price because they know what they can get. Then it goes to aThe Stones camp. Mick does NOT set the price. It’s always been that way

Of course The Rolling Stones set the price. If the say "we only charge 2 million per gig and you are not allowed to charge more than 100€ per Ticket and those Tickets have to be personalized" the promoters would agree. But if the Stones want their maximum profit then of course the promoters charge those prizes. Every big group has the power to do so. That's why there are Lucky Dip Ticket at every Rolling Stones concert since 2014! U2 for example alwas has cheap standing tickets and no Front of Stage area (beside Red zone, which is NOT the best spot in the house).

No. The Stones do not set the price. It’s the promoter as stated before. They know the cost. The money is than guaranteed. If the promoter does not make the money they take the loss not the band. Again as stated before The Stones do not set the price.

They do not set the exact ticket price but they accept those prices by demanding high fees themselves. If the Stones think their prices should be limited they could so. To blame everything on promoters is a bit easy.

Omg No. I give up it’s like talking to a wall no that’s not they way it is
It’s business 101. What part don’t you understand