Has the Last Time always been part of Satisfaction and then part of Last Time?

I got the CD last week and thought the editing job was horrible (if that's the case - I got it on Ebay - maybe it's pirated?).

The live mix seems to be crap as well. Got virtually all of the other early CDs as well (Aftermath, December's Children) and they seem to be OK (although I had hoped Route 66 would have been a studio version).

Take care!

electric Duane

the studio version of Route 66 is on the first album.
and yep, on Got Live The Last Time [editor's note: sorry!] starts with a segue from Satisfaction fit to take your breath away.
don't know what you mean by "part of Last Time", though ...



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I didn't listen to it over the weekend - maybe I meant "Tell Me." I thought it was about 15 seconds of Satisfaction and then a tape cut to "Last Time." I'll check it out again.

Thanks also for the information!

sorry, my mistake - i meant the Last Time!

Yup, it really is that bad - by todays stadards. However, at the time it was released it was pretty standard, recording techniques have come a long way since then.

What's worse, tho, is the 'liveness' of it. Fortune Teller was recorded (in the studio) in Aug 1963 & released on a compilation Saturday Club record. This then had audience noise overdubbed & released on Got Live. The same thing applies to I've been loving You.. recorded at RCA studios in the States in 1965. I've got both of these without the overdubbed audience on an official Australian Decca record 'Collectors Only, The Rolling Stones' (this also has the Italian As Tears Go By)

But the plot sickens. The record & cd versions of Under My Thumb are different. The record version has Marimbas (overdubbed?) whereas the cd does not, & the vocals are different so we've got 2 takes of this. I also recall reading that Satisfaction is longer on one of them but its been a while since I compared the 2.

Still, it's a record of where they were at then & I'm thankful that we have it warts & all.

Now which version of Route 66 are you referring to? The one on the very first album is studio. It shows up live on the EP Got Live If You Want It.

>> Now which version of Route 66 are you referring to? The one on the very first album is studio. It shows up live on the EP Got Live If You Want It. <<

and on December's Children. i love that thing!
i love Got Live too, warts and all. ahh, mid-60s rock-concert conditions in all their painful glory - and just listen to those cats ~*GO!*~


"What do you want - what?!"
- Keith

Yeah, From December's Children (I was able to get about six of the pre Satanic CDS for a bargain and I have all of the post Satanic CDS).

I like Route 66 on No Security and the one of December's Children is good but it starts off with a bit more audience than band. I'm anxious to here the version on the one I don't have.

Thanks everyone for the information! You guys are great!

vox12string Wrote:
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> Yup, it really is that bad - by todays stadards.
> However, at the time it was released it was pretty
> standard, recording techniques have come a long
> way since then.
>
> What's worse, tho, is the 'liveness' of it.
> Fortune Teller was recorded (in the studio) in Aug
> 1963 & released on a compilation Saturday Club
> record. This then had audience noise overdubbed
> & released on Got Live. The same thing applies
> to I've been loving You.. recorded at RCA studios
> in the States in 1965. I've got both of these
> without the overdubbed audience on an official
> Australian Decca record 'Collectors Only, The
> Rolling Stones' (this also has the Italian As
> Tears Go By)
>
> But the plot sickens. The record & cd versions
> of Under My Thumb are different. The record
> version has Marimbas (overdubbed?) whereas the cd
> does not, & the vocals are different so we've
> got 2 takes of this. I also recall reading that
> Satisfaction is longer on one of them but its been
> a while since I compared the 2.
>
> Still, it's a record of where they were at then
> & I'm thankful that we have it warts &
> all.
>
> Now which version of Route 66 are you referring
> to? The one on the very first album is studio. It
> shows up live on the EP Got Live If You Want It.
>
> "Anything is better than Gothenburg 1965"


Got Live was my first stones album, which I bought when it first came out in 65 or 66 (I think 66).

I think there have been a lot of changes made between then and the ABKO CD I got a few years ago.

For example, on the original record, Fortune Teller faded out with the "andnowI get my fortunetold fo' freee" refrain. Now it just ends with a chord.

On the vinyl, Have you seen your mother baby segued into Satisfaction, which also did a fade-out without the "god save the queen" thing at that is at the end of the CD.

It all may have changed again since.

love the energy from this disc.

What is the big deal about the audience in FT and IBLYTL? Does it REALLY bother people that much? I get the feeling that this has become one of those lines that everyone quiotes because they are written in enough books etc. Who goves a sh*t? The songs don't suffer from it. Loving You actually sounds better for it IMO. In the 60's this was a standrad experiment that they were messing with. James Brown had that huge success with the Apollo album; lots of that was not live either. So of course the Stone stried it. I would understand if the songs were butxchered because of it; but they are not. And doesn everyone really mind the moral crime?

There are a few bootlegs from the 60s with tremendous sound: Paris and Honolulu come to mind. Terrific performances, too.

cc

>> And does everyone really mind the moral crime? <<
LoFL - i forgive 'em, ChelseaDrugstore! especially since (as you note) it was the Done Thing in those days,
and most likely it was the record company's decision anyway, not the Stones'.


"What do you want - what?!"
- Keith

Isn't the Paris/Honolulu boot cd the same thing as the US release of "Got Live...". I was told to avoid this boot for that reason. The best mid-60s live show that I've heard from the Stones is "Paris Match" and the excellent "Hey Crawdaddy". Bill Wyman's bass thumping sounded like an octupus groping an underwater stripper's pole.

Charles Baudelaire
1821-1867

Charles, i have Paris 65, 66 and 67, and Honolulu 66. i dearly love 'em all, especially that Paris 65 with Hey Crawdaddy;
and none of 'em are the same as the LP Got Live.
Got Live was recorded at various UK venues - nzentgraf.de has it this way:

LP 'Got Live If You Want It' (London PS 493)
A: Band introduction by Long John Baldry
- Under My Thumb (MJ/KR) - Newcastle 1.10.66 (original)
- Get Off Of My Cloud (MJ/KR) - Newcastle 1.10.66 (original)
- Lady Jane (MJ/KR) - Bristol 7.10.66 (remixed)
- Not Fade Away (Petty/Hardin) - Bristol 7.10.66 (original)
- I've Been Loving You Too Long II (Otis Redding/Jerry Butler) - outtake with live backing overdubbed
- Fortune Teller II (Allen Toussaint) - outtake with live backing overdubbed

B: Satisfaction/The Last Time (MJ/KR) - Newcastle 1.10.66 (original)
- 19th Nervous Breakdown (MJ/KR) - Newcastle 1.10.66 (remixed)
- Time Is On My Side (Jerry Ragavoy) - Bristol 7.10.66 (original)
- I'm Alright (Ellas McDaniel) - Bristol 7.10.66 (remixed)
- Have You Seen Your Mother Baby (MJ/KR) - Bristol 7.10.66 (remixed)
- Satisfaction (MJ/KR) - Bristol 7.10.66 (probably remixed)

Note: Remixed and overdubbed by MJ (voc) and KR (bvoc, gtr). Also there's probably a piano-overdub by STU on Satisfaction. Overdubs were done at IBC Studios, London, in mid-October. The remastered Got Live If You Want It CD of ABKCO (released 1986) includes a different version of Under My Thumb and the complete band introduction.


"What do you want - what?!"
- Keith



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