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Re: what do i need for FLACs?
Posted by: Baboon Bro ()
Date: November 21, 2005 12:42

I have all this sh*t but the friggin bloomin blastin
Frontend wont convert shit. Help??

Re: what do i need for FLACs?
Posted by: Andy L ()
Date: November 21, 2005 12:43

What error message do you get?

Re: what do i need for FLACs?
Posted by: Sjouke ()
Date: November 21, 2005 12:45

one can repeat the same story over and over again....

FLAC [flac.sourceforge.net]

you can find a plugin for nero here, or use BURNN, to burn directly on CD.
you can use [www.dbpoweramp.com] this to convert to mp3 for those who want.

Sjouke

Re: what do i need for FLACs?
Posted by: Baboon Bro ()
Date: November 21, 2005 12:48

Is there not anyone that can explain in simple English
how one actually uses these things, I try... And i try...
And I try.. But I get no converted files...
For the love of God... Please?

Re: what do i need for FLACs?
Posted by: Andy L ()
Date: November 21, 2005 12:51

Baboon Bro Wrote:
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> Is there not anyone that can explain in simple
> English
> how one actually uses these things, I try... And i
> try...
> And I try.. But I get no converted files...
> For the love of God... Please?

As this question is repeated again and again, and people can't bothered to use the search, I'll repeat an old post of mine:

Load FLAC Frontend, click on the Add Files button, and browse to the directory the FLAC files are stored in. Then, hold down Ctrl on the keyboard and press A - this should highlight all the files. Click Open to add the files, then Decode to convert them to WAV format.

Re: what do i need for FLACs?
Posted by: Baboon Bro ()
Date: November 21, 2005 13:08

Thanks Andy. I sure bother to search; but I just cant read the
technichians/engineers mumbojumbo. I´ll try to follow your schedule.

Re: what do i need for FLACs?
Date: November 21, 2005 15:35

Andy L Wrote:
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> 'Better' is an entirely subjective term. What
> sounds good to one person may sound terrible to
> another. As an example, a lot of people on this
> forum like the over-EQ'd sound of Sister
> Morphine's releases, while others prefer the less
> processed sound of lowgen recordings.

What else could I do but agree?

> And having downloaded MP3 bootlegs in the past
> (before I found the old SharingTheGroove site), I
> know that people rarely encode MP3s properly -
> usually at 128 kbps or even less, with small
> clicks between each track.

You're right there again, of course. That's why I always wrote "properly encoded MP3s". And of course MP3 at 128 kbps is absolutely sufficient for MOST bootleg stuff.

> Actually, you'll find that many older traders -
> rightly or wrongly - dislike BitTorrent and will
> only do traditional trades. These guys tend to be
> the ones with the rarest stuff as well...

Tell me what do you call "rare stuff" nowadays? Today it's only the know-how to get it. In the early days it was always to know by whom to get it. The internet changed a lot even if some old-style traders won't give up their old habits.

> > By no means are DIME members 'high-end
> freaks' -
> > just like me (and I am a member of DIMEADOZEN
> and
> > its predecessors since a long time) they are
> > FORCED to release and download their stuff in
> FLAC
> > and ONLY FLAC format when it would be much
> wiser
> > to release it in FLAC and MP3 - I'm sure
> most
> > would prefer to download MP3.
>
> Do you have any proof of that statement? Or are
> you just assuming everyone shares your view? There
> are many more places to download MP3s than
> lossless recordings. If people despised FLACs so
> much, why wouldn't they just go to those places
> instead? Also, I don't think most tapers would be
> too happy about offering their stuff as MP3
> either...

We could test my statement. I upload a concert in MP3, you upload the same concert in FLAC. I mean something like Cologne 1976 or Paris 1970.

> > The CD is so dead. I haven't burnt a music CD
> in 4
> > years, I guess.
>
> I can't even remember the last time I burnt an
> audio CD for myself - I store all my FLACs on DVD.
> But I wouldn't go as far as saying that 'the CD is
> so dead' - most people (Stones traders, at least)
> still trade them.

I mean there is no difference between CD and DVD. I just says it's dead even if it hasn't begun to stink yet. This is the Harddisk Age even if most guys are still burning and rading CDs/DVDs. Even more of them (worldwide) are not trading at all, in fact. However, the Harddisk Age doesn't trade, it doesn't burn. It uses ftp and better BitTorrent, and it writes on (raided) harddisk.


Re: what do i need for FLACs?
Posted by: mickijaggeroo ()
Date: November 21, 2005 16:12

One common fault people do when they have downloaded Frontend is that they click on the file, and their zipprogram opens, and they doubleclick the exe file. Frontend opens , but they are not able to do anything.
Solution: Unpack the files to a directory of your choice, then INSTALL......should work fine then...winking smiley

Vilhelm
Nordic Stones Vikings

Re: what do i need for FLACs?
Date: November 21, 2005 16:25

Hey Andy L and F.U.C. you are both a pair of W****** and i am the captain round here.

Re: what do i need for FLACs?
Date: November 21, 2005 16:32

Captain Jack Sparrow Wrote:
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> Hey Andy L and F.U.C. you are both a pair of
> W****** and i am the captain round here.

Yes you definitely are.

F.U.C. the Captain

Re: what do i need for FLACs?
Posted by: Baboon Bro ()
Date: November 21, 2005 17:47

Ville, I´ll take a pic of you beside the
beer can (that symbolized T. Rockman) & beside Jah Keefster
on my Old Altar where I practise my daily worshippin...
Your the 1st 1 ever to explain so that I got it.
Now I finally listen to my flac-files in WMP, so fine, so nice...
Right now: "Huuh-huuh" from Diego 11.11...

Re: what do i need for FLACs?
Posted by: Andy L ()
Date: November 21, 2005 17:55

F.U.C. the Captain Wrote:
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>
> > Actually, you'll find that many older traders
> -
> > rightly or wrongly - dislike BitTorrent and
> will
> > only do traditional trades. These guys tend
> to be
> > the ones with the rarest stuff as well...
>
> Tell me what do you call "rare stuff" nowadays?
> Today it's only the know-how to get it. In the
> early days it was always to know by whom to get
> it. The internet changed a lot even if some
> old-style traders won't give up their old habits.
>

Yep, I agree that the Internet has changed a lot, and more people should embrace BitTorrent and other new methods of distribution. By 'rare stuff', I mean stuff that is being hoarded among a select group of traders, e.g. the complete El Mocambo soundboards.

Also, I found this post (presumably from a taper) on the DIME forum, which expresses my point pretty well:

As a community looking out for the future....stop thinking of the short term
gains and think of all the brothers and sisters who will be trading music in the
future generations. 90% of the time there will always be a taper who is
concerned with generational decay....MP3 is not an option......we take the time
to procure tickets, go to the show, sneak our shit in if need be or if not lug
all our equipment into the show...all to produce the best possible source for
the masses, many of which are greatly unappreciative. The bottom line is to
preserve the shows we all love and enjoy as well as our current technology will
allow for future generations. please do not belittle our efforts by converting
to mp3 or any other lossy format.
tt423

Re: what do i need for FLACs?
Date: November 21, 2005 18:18

Andy L Wrote:
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> As a community looking out for the future....stop
> thinking of the short term
> gains and think of all the brothers and sisters
> who will be trading music in the
> future generations. 90% of the time there will
> always be a taper who is
> concerned with generational decay....MP3 is not an
> option......we take the time
> to procure tickets, go to the show, sneak our shit
> in if need be or if not lug
> all our equipment into the show...all to produce
> the best possible source for
> the masses, many of which are greatly
> unappreciative. The bottom line is to
> preserve the shows we all love and enjoy as well
> as our current technology will
> allow for future generations. please do not
> belittle our efforts by converting
> to mp3 or any other lossy format.

I sure DO appreciate the tapers efforts. I have taped myself, live and from radio/TV shows (and of course I have shared) but in my opinion in the year 2005 this is not the point. FLAC (and other lossless formats) may be some option for the future. But at the moment it's time to bring the music to the people so the music can survive. I'm sure all the essential FLAC files of today will still be there in 2015.

There is trouble with bandwidth. There is trouble with harddisk space. Would YOU prefer to have just only ONE show in lossless FLAC or would you prefer to have at least 5 or 6 shows in MP3 format without hearing any difference?

There isn't only future. There is also present. I want to hear it NOW. Maybe my harddisk is already stuffed NOW. Maybe my bandwidth is so low I can just download one show per week (many people can't run their computers 24/7 like we do).

Maybe this is also somewhat philosophical. I don't think the world really NEEDS every concert to survive. Not every fart must survive. Not every building must be preserved. Not every human must live forever. It's just a matter of come and go. There is much charm in the recordings of Robert Johnson even if they don't sound crystal clear. You can still hear the genius in these recordings. Call me a degenerate but I love the wasted being, even in the form of a tape. It reminds me of my own future. Have a look at the skull ring Keith is wearing if you're in doubt.

Re: what do i need for FLACs?
Posted by: open-g ()
Date: November 21, 2005 19:05

Thank you for your reasonable and controversy posts. I get your point of views.

If my mp3's leave the hard disc on cd - then as data files.
It is very seldom I burn a red-book compatible audio-cd.
My cd-player and dvd player can playback mp3's - thats standard today, isn't it?
my hard disks are packed, and I just bought another 200GB disc the other day - but it won't take long......

I wanna hear the music now and today

Re: what do i need for FLACs?
Posted by: Andy L ()
Date: November 21, 2005 19:23

F.U.C. the Captain Wrote:
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>
> I sure DO appreciate the tapers efforts. I have
> taped myself, live and from radio/TV shows (and of
> course I have shared) but in my opinion in the
> year 2005 this is not the point. FLAC (and other
> lossless formats) may be some option for the
> future. But at the moment it's time to bring the
> music to the people so the music can survive. I'm
> sure all the essential FLAC files of today will
> still be there in 2015.

Some option for the future?? Maybe for you.... but for the rest of us, FLAC is available now and thanks to it, the music survives by being preserved in its original form. If the music becomes degraded now, it will remain degraded forever.

>
> There is trouble with bandwidth. There is trouble
> with harddisk space. Would YOU prefer to have just
> only ONE show in lossless FLAC or would you prefer
> to have at least 5 or 6 shows in MP3 format
> without hearing any difference?

I keep around 130 shows in FLAC format across my hard drives. For my personal use, I could easily keep those in LAME-encoded MP3 and not hear any difference (assuming that I could be bothered to convert them, which I can't). But this has never been about what I or anyone else can hear. I would never, EVER dream of spreading those shows in MP3 or any other lossy format.
>
> There isn't only future. There is also present. I
> want to hear it NOW. Maybe my harddisk is already
> stuffed NOW. Maybe my bandwidth is so low I can
> just download one show per week (many people can't
> run their computers 24/7 like we do).

In that case, why not do a snail-mail trade, B&P or join a tree?

>
> Maybe this is also somewhat philosophical. I don't
> think the world really NEEDS every concert to
> survive. Not every fart must survive. Not every
> building must be preserved. Not every human must
> live forever. It's just a matter of come and go.
> There is much charm in the recordings of Robert
> Johnson even if they don't sound crystal clear.
> You can still hear the genius in these recordings.
> Call me a degenerate but I love the wasted being,
> even in the form of a tape. It reminds me of my
> own future. Have a look at the skull ring Keith is
> wearing if you're in doubt.

That's an interesting point... it's the same reason that we hardcore fans can enjoy a decent 70s audience recording, while most people (who don't listen to bootlegs regularly) would find them unlistenable. I agree that bad recordings have their own charm - some of the finest Stones performances ever (such as the 1970 tour or the London '73 shows) have never been available in anything better than fair quality.

Also, there are always new generations of people who are discovering the magic of the Stones and bootlegs. We have the technology widely available now to preserve these recordings - why shouldn't somebody in 40 or 50 years' time who has just discovered the Stones (or any other artist, for that matter) be able to hear every recording in circulation, if they so wish?

Re: what do i need for FLACs?
Posted by: mickijaggeroo ()
Date: November 21, 2005 19:32

No problem Baboon, it happened to me as well. I added the info in my guide, so hopefully some are helped by it.

Vilhelm
Nordic Stones Vikings

Re: what do i need for FLACs?
Posted by: Andy L ()
Date: November 21, 2005 19:33

open-g Wrote:
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> Thank you for your reasonable and controversy
> posts. I get your point of views.
>
> If my mp3's leave the hard disc on cd - then as
> data files.
> It is very seldom I burn a red-book compatible
> audio-cd.
> My cd-player and dvd player can playback mp3's -
> thats standard today, isn't it?
> my hard disks are packed, and I just bought
> another 200GB disc the other day - but it won't
> take long......
>
> I wanna hear the music now and today

Just because MP3 is widely supported does not make it the best or even a worthwhile 'standard'. Most people only use it because it's the only format they know of.

Re: what do i need for FLACs?
Posted by: cirrhosis ()
Date: November 21, 2005 19:55

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-12-22 05:31 by cirrhosis.

Re: what do i need for FLACs?
Date: November 21, 2005 20:42

Andy L Wrote:
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> Just because MP3 is widely supported does not make
> it the best or even a worthwhile 'standard'. Most
> people only use it because it's the only format
> they know of.

I see the point but MP3 is the de facto standard.
If you go with WMA it's selling out to the Devil.
If you go with OGG you'll be alone.
If you go with FLAC or SHN you will have full harddisks very soon.
No one will go with CDA I hope.

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