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Perfectly said. I agree with every single word.
Honestly, I don't understand people here complaining about HD like "Oh, Charlie would have done this or that differently" - of course he would have. Thing is, he is not amongst us anymore! The Stones were never the same after Brian left. They were never the same after Mick Taylor left. They were never the same after Bill left. And of course they are not the same after Charlie's demise. How can they be?
But, the Stones are still here. Instead of endlessly beweeping what's gone and will never come back, imo it's wiser to accept the change and listen with fresh ears. Otherwise, one might miss a helluva lot of great music!
At least on tour he already did it 1975. Maybe already 1972, but I had to look at some videos.
Couldn't agree more. Well said!
Steve is a mensch, and also an unbelievably insightful dude. As a non-musician I have learned so much listening to his interviews.
I've been looking. It's not... definitive. 1978, absolutely. I really think he started it towards the end of the SG sessions and somewhat did it with the ER sessions. By they U sessions, it was on.
Regardless, Tell Me Straight is incredible. That one is special.
Watch "All down the line" from LA Forum 1975.
Edit: Found another, even better example: Silver Train Promo video. That's from 1973 and Charlie skips the hihat all throughout the video.
Edit 2: Also "Dancing with Mr. D" and "Angie" promo videos.
That's prove enough. Charlie did it as early as 1973. Maybe even earlier.
That doesn't mean he did it on every performance back then. But had he already discovered it.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2024-07-31 12:47 by StonedRambler.
Must have seen those videos million of times and never noticed it!
C
LOL wow! Yep, he's definitely doing it in Mr D. Having something particular to look for, I never realized just how awful those videos are.
Weird. Listen to SOME GIRLS and it doesn't sound like he's got the hi hat gap, although not all the drums are in 4 or 2-1, which is when he usually does it.
Watch the rehearsal of Tumbling Dice 1972 - not constantly but he does it even then! Watching some live things from 1972 he did it not nothing like he did later on.
I think Jordan did excellently on HACKNEY DIAMONDS and from all the live clips I've seen since 2021 he's done fantastic live - even if some of what he's doing is going back to how it was recorded and it seems a little off.
He's a much heavier drummer than Charlie. Kinda funny but lately Start Me Up sounds more like the 1981-82 performance of it, raggily with the 4 beat.
Nice.
It's obvious why Charlie was on about him - he floats.
Steve Jordan is an excellent drummer - and for The Rolling Stones.
He started doing it really on the 1969 tour as he switched over to traditional grip. He lifts the right hand stick to make room for the left hand stick, to hit the snare harder. Starting in 1972 he also opens the hi-hat a bit when he skips the beat, making his groove sack a bit. By 1973 he emphasizes the open hi-hat with a kick beat, making him go against the groove of Keith. JJF from Brussels 1973 is a good example of this.
By 1975 he changes his style again by adding a lot more fills and stops to his beat, much more like a jazz drummer. By 1978 he adds the 4-to-the-floor kick drum, making him sound fantastic in my opinion: a jazz drummer with a disco groove. By 1981 his style changes drastically: he becomes more stiff, less jazzy, and more a straight ahead rock drummer. His least attractive style to me is on the 1982 tour, he plays very heavy handed. By 1989 his drum sound is fantastic, but he sounds too professional for my taste. That never changed really.
Mathijs
Jeff Sarli's two tracks on BRIDGES are excellent. A lot of different bass players on that album.
Jordan is a fluid player. It's evident on HD. The two Charlie tracks stick out because there's such a big difference in their styles.
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Re: Steve Jordan talk
Posted by:
24FPS
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Date: November 27, 2023 07:48
I have no problem with Steve Jordan's drumming, especially on Hackney Diamonds. The drums kind of stood out as not so great on ABB, probably due to the way they were recorded, not the way Charlie sounded live. On Hackney is the best rhythm section since Steel Wheels. Even Andrew Watt's bass playing is better than anything they've had on record in a long time. I think Steve gives them a boost.
Re: Steve Jordan talk
Posted by:
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Date: November 28, 2023 02:13
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24FPS
I have no problem with Steve Jordan's drumming, especially on Hackney Diamonds. The drums kind of stood out as not so great on ABB, probably due to the way they were recorded, not the way Charlie sounded live. On Hackney is the best rhythm section since Steel Wheels. Even Andrew Watt's bass playing is better than anything they've had on record in a long time. I think Steve gives them a boost.
Perfectly said. I agree with every single word.
Honestly, I don't understand people here complaining about HD like "Oh, Charlie would have done this or that differently" - of course he would have. Thing is, he is not amongst us anymore! The Stones were never the same after Brian left. They were never the same after Mick Taylor left. They were never the same after Bill left. And of course they are not the same after Charlie's demise. How can they be?
But, the Stones are still here. Instead of endlessly beweeping what's gone and will never come back, imo it's wiser to accept the change and listen with fresh ears. Otherwise, one might miss a helluva lot of great music!
Re: Steve Jordan talk
Posted by:
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Date: November 28, 2023 02:49
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24FPS
I have no problem with Steve Jordan's drumming, especially on Hackney Diamonds. The drums kind of stood out as not so great on ABB, probably due to the way they were recorded, not the way Charlie sounded live. On Hackney is the best rhythm section since Steel Wheels. Even Andrew Watt's bass playing is better than anything they've had on record in a long time. I think Steve gives them a boost.
Perfectly said. I agree with every single word.
Honestly, I don't understand people here complaining about HD like "Oh, Charlie would have done this or that differently" - of course he would have. Thing is, he is not amongst us anymore! The Stones were never the same after Brian left. They were never the same after Mick Taylor left. They were never the same after Bill left. And of course they are not the same after Charlie's demise. How can they be?
But, the Stones are still here. Instead of endlessly beweeping what's gone and will never come back, imo it's wiser to accept the change and listen with fresh ears. Otherwise, one might miss a helluva lot of great music!
Re: Steve Jordan talk
Posted by:
Markdog
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Date: November 28, 2023 03:01
I've drummed for 35 years and Charlie was the reason I started.
Steve is a great drummer and a good fit with the Stone's, although there are others that could do as well.
There is a thing Charlie and Keith do that locks them together in a subtle give and take. Keith doesn't exclusively follow Charlie or him Keith. Live, sometimes one pushes or pulls the other. It's not something everyone can notice, It's organic and collaborative.
Steve, is more straight ahead to my ears. He sets the tempo and Keith mostly follows. Some Winos live stuff felt a bit organic but mostly Steve drive it once it gets rolling. It's not wrong, drive the song and keep timing tight. Steve can do the hi hat lift but it's nothing like Charlie does. Steve's fills are way better though.
Steve's a great choice but I can tell the difference easily and Charlie had something special in his feel, high hat work, the roll, the groove and space.
Hackney, only thing is steves snare tone is thumpy and generic, likely good long term but Charlie's snare on his 2, sounds way better to my ears, crack, snares and just enough ring. Not sure Steve's Hackney kit but is high tom is likely a 12" but it's tuned like a 10", love the sound of it but it's quite un Stone's like.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2023-11-28 03:09 by Markdog.
Steve is a great drummer and a good fit with the Stone's, although there are others that could do as well.
There is a thing Charlie and Keith do that locks them together in a subtle give and take. Keith doesn't exclusively follow Charlie or him Keith. Live, sometimes one pushes or pulls the other. It's not something everyone can notice, It's organic and collaborative.
Steve, is more straight ahead to my ears. He sets the tempo and Keith mostly follows. Some Winos live stuff felt a bit organic but mostly Steve drive it once it gets rolling. It's not wrong, drive the song and keep timing tight. Steve can do the hi hat lift but it's nothing like Charlie does. Steve's fills are way better though.
Steve's a great choice but I can tell the difference easily and Charlie had something special in his feel, high hat work, the roll, the groove and space.
Hackney, only thing is steves snare tone is thumpy and generic, likely good long term but Charlie's snare on his 2, sounds way better to my ears, crack, snares and just enough ring. Not sure Steve's Hackney kit but is high tom is likely a 12" but it's tuned like a 10", love the sound of it but it's quite un Stone's like.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2023-11-28 03:09 by Markdog.
Re: In praise of Steve Jordan
Posted by:
MelBelli
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Date: July 30, 2024 17:27
I love it when serious musicians talk about the Stones in a serious way, but … sigh. Charlie’s omitted high-hat is overhyped. That’s a very minor part of what made Charlie sound like Charlie. Great stuff in here, otherwise.
Re: In praise of Steve Jordan
Posted by:
MadMetaphoricalMax
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Date: July 30, 2024 17:47
"Some cannot forgive the Stones for emulating Chicago blues records—many of them featuring Fred Below—at a talented-amateur level as they ascended to world domination"
Some good stuff from Steve, but the Stones' first album is anything but 'talented amateur level, Ethan!
And Charlie, and the band never stopped extolling the genius of their inspirations.
It's also an irritating and untrue cliche to claim that Chuck, Steve and Daryl do 'all the heavy lifting' at a concert.
Still, a nice read...!
Some good stuff from Steve, but the Stones' first album is anything but 'talented amateur level, Ethan!
And Charlie, and the band never stopped extolling the genius of their inspirations.
It's also an irritating and untrue cliche to claim that Chuck, Steve and Daryl do 'all the heavy lifting' at a concert.
Still, a nice read...!
Re: In praise of Steve Jordan
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: July 30, 2024 21:43
Heavy lifting? Isn't that Keith and Ronnie and Jones and Jordan? I don't think keyboards are heavy lifting.
Charlie's hi-hat gap didn't start until... it's not on any of the songs on SOME GIRLS except maybe Shattered - but he did it on that tour.
Indian Girl is the first audible hi-hat gap I can find. It's difficult to tell if it's on anything on SG but often it's audible during the snare which is obvious on some of the ER tracks.
The writer doesn't seem to know, somehow, that the artists the Stones covered were credited on releases and they (or their estates) have made a tad bit more money than they did just on their own.
Charlie's hi-hat gap didn't start until... it's not on any of the songs on SOME GIRLS except maybe Shattered - but he did it on that tour.
Indian Girl is the first audible hi-hat gap I can find. It's difficult to tell if it's on anything on SG but often it's audible during the snare which is obvious on some of the ER tracks.
The writer doesn't seem to know, somehow, that the artists the Stones covered were credited on releases and they (or their estates) have made a tad bit more money than they did just on their own.
Re: In praise of Steve Jordan
Posted by:
SomeTorontoGirl
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Date: July 31, 2024 00:20
I’ve wanted to say something to Steve Jordan for a while now, and that is simply - Thank You.
He took a great deal of criticism when he stepped up after Charlie died. With tens of thousands of grief-stricken fans, some couldn’t help but direct but their grief at him, which was unfair. But the Stones had to do the tour, and he was not only Charlie’s pick, he was family. He’d played with Mick earlier, played with Keith for decades, he was trusted. For years, ‘Keith's side’ of the stage was right in front of Charlie - he stuck tight to him. I’m not sure how Keith would have fared on tour without a similar rock behind him while he worked through his grief.
I’m not a musician, so can’t hear some of the subtle differences others might. To me it seems that Steve honours Charlie and his style without trying to be him. He’s very reserved on stage, no big bows during the intros, I think he tries to just blend in. But… it took a massive pair to take that seat. I really don’t think they could have continued touring with anyone else. And he’s damn good. So…
Thank you, Steve. Thank you.
He took a great deal of criticism when he stepped up after Charlie died. With tens of thousands of grief-stricken fans, some couldn’t help but direct but their grief at him, which was unfair. But the Stones had to do the tour, and he was not only Charlie’s pick, he was family. He’d played with Mick earlier, played with Keith for decades, he was trusted. For years, ‘Keith's side’ of the stage was right in front of Charlie - he stuck tight to him. I’m not sure how Keith would have fared on tour without a similar rock behind him while he worked through his grief.
I’m not a musician, so can’t hear some of the subtle differences others might. To me it seems that Steve honours Charlie and his style without trying to be him. He’s very reserved on stage, no big bows during the intros, I think he tries to just blend in. But… it took a massive pair to take that seat. I really don’t think they could have continued touring with anyone else. And he’s damn good. So…
Thank you, Steve. Thank you.
Re: In praise of Steve Jordan
Posted by:
stonesurvive
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Date: July 31, 2024 00:31
.................hmmmm..........I didn't read the article, and will rewrite this after I do.
...........So my opinion on the boys from a 12 years old point of view, when I purchased "Out Of Our Heads".
.............Stealing from the blues artists????. what a bunch of crap. The Stones emulated (in the sense of "honored") the blues from the very beginning, and didn't hide from it. The Stones played the Shindig TV show in 1965, and requested to have Howlin' Wolf on the show!.......How awkward was that to screaming teenage girls, not to mention the production crew.
.............earlier in 1964, the Stones went to Chicago, and recorded 12x5, which included 2120 South Michigan Ave, the address of Chess Records.The producer(s) of the album coax them into giving it there all, and got a fantastic album out of them!
....On and on through history, popular music has been handed down to the next generation, and it is up to the listener to decide if they want to explore the original versions, and yes, there are artists that lived off of cover versions
Linda Ronstadt, Joan Jett (to some degree),, and so on. I don't fault either one b/c they have shown there own professionalism, and talent.
............Then we got ELVIS. Again, a very similar story to the Stones. (except---He lived in the integrated south), was totally blown away by the blues and R' n B, and was forever criticized for redoing the songs. The few times that Elvis was asked about the covers he made, he was very clear about it, and gave credit to all of the original singers(he thought of Fats Domino as "The King Of Rock' n Roll").
RELATED, slightly off topic:
When the ELVIS movie came out a few years back, I had to go to the preview, as I didn't expect it to last a week, It stayed in the theaters for, just about 4 months, and actually got a younger demographic also.
I will tell you who "stole" music.....Led Zeppelin, and the "artists" that are (stealing) music by sampling and trying not to get caught(Robin Thicke,PHARRELL, de La SOUL, and so on Sadly, by appearing in court, the jurors are getting "starry-eyed",sand I really hope that the copyright laws in the USA don't get watered down!
The one and only Charlie Watts, and his great replacement, Steve Jordan in my next post.
...........So my opinion on the boys from a 12 years old point of view, when I purchased "Out Of Our Heads".
.............Stealing from the blues artists????. what a bunch of crap. The Stones emulated (in the sense of "honored") the blues from the very beginning, and didn't hide from it. The Stones played the Shindig TV show in 1965, and requested to have Howlin' Wolf on the show!.......How awkward was that to screaming teenage girls, not to mention the production crew.
.............earlier in 1964, the Stones went to Chicago, and recorded 12x5, which included 2120 South Michigan Ave, the address of Chess Records.The producer(s) of the album coax them into giving it there all, and got a fantastic album out of them!
....On and on through history, popular music has been handed down to the next generation, and it is up to the listener to decide if they want to explore the original versions, and yes, there are artists that lived off of cover versions
Linda Ronstadt, Joan Jett (to some degree),, and so on. I don't fault either one b/c they have shown there own professionalism, and talent.
............Then we got ELVIS. Again, a very similar story to the Stones. (except---He lived in the integrated south), was totally blown away by the blues and R' n B, and was forever criticized for redoing the songs. The few times that Elvis was asked about the covers he made, he was very clear about it, and gave credit to all of the original singers(he thought of Fats Domino as "The King Of Rock' n Roll").
RELATED, slightly off topic:
When the ELVIS movie came out a few years back, I had to go to the preview, as I didn't expect it to last a week, It stayed in the theaters for, just about 4 months, and actually got a younger demographic also.
I will tell you who "stole" music.....Led Zeppelin, and the "artists" that are (stealing) music by sampling and trying not to get caught(Robin Thicke,PHARRELL, de La SOUL, and so on Sadly, by appearing in court, the jurors are getting "starry-eyed",sand I really hope that the copyright laws in the USA don't get watered down!
The one and only Charlie Watts, and his great replacement, Steve Jordan in my next post.
Re: In praise of Steve Jordan
Posted by:
StonedRambler
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Date: July 31, 2024 01:10
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GasLightStreet
Heavy lifting? Isn't that Keith and Ronnie and Jones and Jordan? I don't think keyboards are heavy lifting.
Charlie's hi-hat gap didn't start until... it's not on any of the songs on SOME GIRLS except maybe Shattered - but he did it on that tour.
Indian Girl is the first audible hi-hat gap I can find. It's difficult to tell if it's on anything on SG but often it's audible during the snare which is obvious on some of the ER tracks.
The writer doesn't seem to know, somehow, that the artists the Stones covered were credited on releases and they (or their estates) have made a tad bit more money than they did just on their own.
At least on tour he already did it 1975. Maybe already 1972, but I had to look at some videos.
Re: In praise of Steve Jordan
Posted by:
JMoisica
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Date: July 31, 2024 04:04
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SomeTorontoGirl
I’ve wanted to say something to Steve Jordan for a while now, and that is simply - Thank You.
He took a great deal of criticism when he stepped up after Charlie died. With tens of thousands of grief-stricken fans, some couldn’t help but direct but their grief at him, which was unfair. But the Stones had to do the tour, and he was not only Charlie’s pick, he was family. He’d played with Mick earlier, played with Keith for decades, he was trusted. For years, ‘Keith's side’ of the stage was right in front of Charlie - he stuck tight to him. I’m not sure how Keith would have fared on tour without a similar rock behind him while he worked through his grief.
I’m not a musician, so can’t hear some of the subtle differences others might. To me it seems that Steve honours Charlie and his style without trying to be him. He’s very reserved on stage, no big bows during the intros, I think he tries to just blend in. But… it took a massive pair to take that seat. I really don’t think they could have continued touring with anyone else. And he’s damn good. So…
Thank you, Steve. Thank you.
Couldn't agree more. Well said!
Steve is a mensch, and also an unbelievably insightful dude. As a non-musician I have learned so much listening to his interviews.
Re: In praise of Steve Jordan
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: July 31, 2024 05:10
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Heavy lifting? Isn't that Keith and Ronnie and Jones and Jordan? I don't think keyboards are heavy lifting.
Charlie's hi-hat gap didn't start until... it's not on any of the songs on SOME GIRLS except maybe Shattered - but he did it on that tour.
Indian Girl is the first audible hi-hat gap I can find. It's difficult to tell if it's on anything on SG but often it's audible during the snare which is obvious on some of the ER tracks.
The writer doesn't seem to know, somehow, that the artists the Stones covered were credited on releases and they (or their estates) have made a tad bit more money than they did just on their own.
At least on tour he already did it 1975. Maybe already 1972, but I had to look at some videos.
I've been looking. It's not... definitive. 1978, absolutely. I really think he started it towards the end of the SG sessions and somewhat did it with the ER sessions. By they U sessions, it was on.
Regardless, Tell Me Straight is incredible. That one is special.
Re: In praise of Steve Jordan
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StonedRambler
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Date: July 31, 2024 10:22
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Heavy lifting? Isn't that Keith and Ronnie and Jones and Jordan? I don't think keyboards are heavy lifting.
Charlie's hi-hat gap didn't start until... it's not on any of the songs on SOME GIRLS except maybe Shattered - but he did it on that tour.
Indian Girl is the first audible hi-hat gap I can find. It's difficult to tell if it's on anything on SG but often it's audible during the snare which is obvious on some of the ER tracks.
The writer doesn't seem to know, somehow, that the artists the Stones covered were credited on releases and they (or their estates) have made a tad bit more money than they did just on their own.
At least on tour he already did it 1975. Maybe already 1972, but I had to look at some videos.
I've been looking. It's not... definitive. 1978, absolutely. I really think he started it towards the end of the SG sessions and somewhat did it with the ER sessions. By they U sessions, it was on.
Regardless, Tell Me Straight is incredible. That one is special.
Watch "All down the line" from LA Forum 1975.
Edit: Found another, even better example: Silver Train Promo video. That's from 1973 and Charlie skips the hihat all throughout the video.
Edit 2: Also "Dancing with Mr. D" and "Angie" promo videos.
That's prove enough. Charlie did it as early as 1973. Maybe even earlier.
That doesn't mean he did it on every performance back then. But had he already discovered it.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2024-07-31 12:47 by StonedRambler.
Re: In praise of Steve Jordan
Posted by:
liddas
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Date: July 31, 2024 20:00
Love his stage presence with the Stones.
Generally speaking, when classic bands tour nowadays, members of the touring band tend to have a low profile, so to leave the spot light to the surviving chore members.
Steve instead has such a charisma that you can't see this distinction at all.
Love it!
C
Generally speaking, when classic bands tour nowadays, members of the touring band tend to have a low profile, so to leave the spot light to the surviving chore members.
Steve instead has such a charisma that you can't see this distinction at all.
Love it!
C
Re: In praise of Steve Jordan
Posted by:
frankotero
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Date: July 31, 2024 20:04
Nice to see people are warming up to Steve. I know it's hard and we miss Charlie but he's a great guy to come in and do the job. Hats off to him. And while I'm at it gotta say Darryl is really killing it for me lately. Higher in the mix and nice heavy melodic bass lines. I'm loving the new line up.
Re: In praise of Steve Jordan
Posted by:
liddas
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Date: July 31, 2024 20:14
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StonedRambler
Watch "All down the line" from LA Forum 1975.
Edit: Found another, even better example: Silver Train Promo video. That's from 1973 and Charlie skips the hihat all throughout the video.
Edit 2: Also "Dancing with Mr. D" and "Angie" promo videos.
That's prove enough. Charlie did it as early as 1973. Maybe even earlier.
That doesn't mean he did it on every performance back then. But had he already discovered it.
Must have seen those videos million of times and never noticed it!
C
Re: In praise of Steve Jordan
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GasLightStreet
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Date: July 31, 2024 20:20
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Heavy lifting? Isn't that Keith and Ronnie and Jones and Jordan? I don't think keyboards are heavy lifting.
Charlie's hi-hat gap didn't start until... it's not on any of the songs on SOME GIRLS except maybe Shattered - but he did it on that tour.
Indian Girl is the first audible hi-hat gap I can find. It's difficult to tell if it's on anything on SG but often it's audible during the snare which is obvious on some of the ER tracks.
The writer doesn't seem to know, somehow, that the artists the Stones covered were credited on releases and they (or their estates) have made a tad bit more money than they did just on their own.
At least on tour he already did it 1975. Maybe already 1972, but I had to look at some videos.
I've been looking. It's not... definitive. 1978, absolutely. I really think he started it towards the end of the SG sessions and somewhat did it with the ER sessions. By they U sessions, it was on.
Regardless, Tell Me Straight is incredible. That one is special.
Watch "All down the line" from LA Forum 1975.
Edit: Found another, even better example: Silver Train Promo video. That's from 1973 and Charlie skips the hihat all throughout the video.
Edit 2: Also "Dancing with Mr. D" and "Angie" promo videos.
That's prove enough. Charlie did it as early as 1973. Maybe even earlier.
That doesn't mean he did it on every performance back then. But had he already discovered it.
LOL wow! Yep, he's definitely doing it in Mr D. Having something particular to look for, I never realized just how awful those videos are.
Weird. Listen to SOME GIRLS and it doesn't sound like he's got the hi hat gap, although not all the drums are in 4 or 2-1, which is when he usually does it.
Watch the rehearsal of Tumbling Dice 1972 - not constantly but he does it even then! Watching some live things from 1972 he did it not nothing like he did later on.
Re: In praise of Steve Jordan
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: July 31, 2024 20:23
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frankotero
Nice to see people are warming up to Steve. I know it's hard and we miss Charlie but he's a great guy to come in and do the job. Hats off to him. And while I'm at it gotta say Darryl is really killing it for me lately. Higher in the mix and nice heavy melodic bass lines. I'm loving the new line up.
I think Jordan did excellently on HACKNEY DIAMONDS and from all the live clips I've seen since 2021 he's done fantastic live - even if some of what he's doing is going back to how it was recorded and it seems a little off.
He's a much heavier drummer than Charlie. Kinda funny but lately Start Me Up sounds more like the 1981-82 performance of it, raggily with the 4 beat.
Re: In praise of Steve Jordan
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GasLightStreet
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Date: October 9, 2025 05:26
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A friend shared this and I thought I’d pass it along. Nice to see Steve at work.
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Nice.
It's obvious why Charlie was on about him - he floats.
Steve Jordan is an excellent drummer - and for The Rolling Stones.
Re: In praise of Steve Jordan
Posted by:
MadMax
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Date: October 9, 2025 07:28
It's always a joy reading hearing what Steve Jordan has got to say as he is SPOT ON on everything regarding our boys' music.
It's really good that he emphazies that the pure magic regarding The Stones' rhythm started in the 70's. 1972 is certainly the year when the hi-hat syncops started for us to be seen (heard). The minute where the camera locks in on Keith and Charlie during ADTL from '75 was fantastic when it was released back in 2017 as the LA BLues boot was a different date (and one where the lock in on the combo wasn't chosen as it is another July date).
My two cents are that Charlie got that stuff from the Philly soul which got very popular late '71 early '72. It's interesting that on Blue And Lonesome he is back on the Fred Below stuff. Me myself I prefer stuff like Keep Up Blues where the mix between Philly soul druumming and Chicago blues becomes even more irresistable.
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It's really good that he emphazies that the pure magic regarding The Stones' rhythm started in the 70's. 1972 is certainly the year when the hi-hat syncops started for us to be seen (heard). The minute where the camera locks in on Keith and Charlie during ADTL from '75 was fantastic when it was released back in 2017 as the LA BLues boot was a different date (and one where the lock in on the combo wasn't chosen as it is another July date).
My two cents are that Charlie got that stuff from the Philly soul which got very popular late '71 early '72. It's interesting that on Blue And Lonesome he is back on the Fred Below stuff. Me myself I prefer stuff like Keep Up Blues where the mix between Philly soul druumming and Chicago blues becomes even more irresistable.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-10-09 07:29 by MadMax.
Re: In praise of Steve Jordan
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Date: October 9, 2025 09:47
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Heavy lifting? Isn't that Keith and Ronnie and Jones and Jordan? I don't think keyboards are heavy lifting.
Charlie's hi-hat gap didn't start until... it's not on any of the songs on SOME GIRLS except maybe Shattered - but he did it on that tour.
Indian Girl is the first audible hi-hat gap I can find. It's difficult to tell if it's on anything on SG but often it's audible during the snare which is obvious on some of the ER tracks.
The writer doesn't seem to know, somehow, that the artists the Stones covered were credited on releases and they (or their estates) have made a tad bit more money than they did just on their own.
At least on tour he already did it 1975. Maybe already 1972, but I had to look at some videos.
I've been looking. It's not... definitive. 1978, absolutely. I really think he started it towards the end of the SG sessions and somewhat did it with the ER sessions. By they U sessions, it was on.
Regardless, Tell Me Straight is incredible. That one is special.
Watch "All down the line" from LA Forum 1975.
Edit: Found another, even better example: Silver Train Promo video. That's from 1973 and Charlie skips the hihat all throughout the video.
Edit 2: Also "Dancing with Mr. D" and "Angie" promo videos.
That's prove enough. Charlie did it as early as 1973. Maybe even earlier.
That doesn't mean he did it on every performance back then. But had he already discovered it.
LOL wow! Yep, he's definitely doing it in Mr D. Having something particular to look for, I never realized just how awful those videos are.
Weird. Listen to SOME GIRLS and it doesn't sound like he's got the hi hat gap, although not all the drums are in 4 or 2-1, which is when he usually does it.
Watch the rehearsal of Tumbling Dice 1972 - not constantly but he does it even then! Watching some live things from 1972 he did it not nothing like he did later on.
He started doing it really on the 1969 tour as he switched over to traditional grip. He lifts the right hand stick to make room for the left hand stick, to hit the snare harder. Starting in 1972 he also opens the hi-hat a bit when he skips the beat, making his groove sack a bit. By 1973 he emphasizes the open hi-hat with a kick beat, making him go against the groove of Keith. JJF from Brussels 1973 is a good example of this.
By 1975 he changes his style again by adding a lot more fills and stops to his beat, much more like a jazz drummer. By 1978 he adds the 4-to-the-floor kick drum, making him sound fantastic in my opinion: a jazz drummer with a disco groove. By 1981 his style changes drastically: he becomes more stiff, less jazzy, and more a straight ahead rock drummer. His least attractive style to me is on the 1982 tour, he plays very heavy handed. By 1989 his drum sound is fantastic, but he sounds too professional for my taste. That never changed really.
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Re: Steve Jordan talk
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Date: October 9, 2025 20:27
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I have no problem with Steve Jordan's drumming, especially on Hackney Diamonds. The drums kind of stood out as not so great on ABB, probably due to the way they were recorded, not the way Charlie sounded live. On Hackney is the best rhythm section since Steel Wheels. Even Andrew Watt's bass playing is better than anything they've had on record in a long time. I think Steve gives them a boost.
Jeff Sarli's two tracks on BRIDGES are excellent. A lot of different bass players on that album.
Jordan is a fluid player. It's evident on HD. The two Charlie tracks stick out because there's such a big difference in their styles.
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