We'll be at the House of Shields again -- you may remember this bar
from the last tour, it's where we all met before and after the 2002
San Francisco shows. The HoS has new owners who have updated it, but
it still retains its old-San Francisco (1908) charm with cozy booths,
high ceilings, and lots of carved wood.

Sunday Nov 13 and Tuesday Nov 15, beginning at 4:00 and also after the show:

House of Shields
39 New Montgomery Street
San Francisco

We'll have Stones tunes playing on the changer, they have 16 beers on
draft, California wines, and cocktails available of course. On
Sundays, they're usually closed, but they will open the bar just for
us at 4:00, and they'll remain open to welcome us back.

It's a 20-minute walk, or easy ride on the N-Judah Muni tram to SBC
Park. Located just off Market Street, the HoS is far enough away
from the venue that it won't be completely packed with 'tourists'.
However, it's only 1/2 a block from the Montgomery Street BART
station, and it's also close major SF hotels in Union
Square/Financial Dist, where out-of-town folks are likely staying.

diane
in San Francisco
which is and isn't "america"

sounds good - i should be able to wobble there from my other party