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I agree. I like this track. And for sure, England is lost.
After this morning’s result, I would say we’re a nation singing from hymn sheet, actually!
Really? I think Mick's frustration is realistic. First the voters give the Tori's a blow in the face (May's downfall) and now they put Boris on a platform so high, that one wrong move will splash him ... and England. Both are a result of deeply rooted frustration. It hurts to say this, being a warm hearted Anglofile.
I remember 1971 (living in Liverpool). England was total disaster (almost an understatement) and only survived by joining the EEC. The Stones going to France that same year could be a coincidence, but was it?
Best of luck!
The Stones went to France because they were unwilling (unlike some of their contempories) to pay UK tax. So they became tax exiles...a very bourgeois thing to do. When you think of the chums that Mick and Keith hung out with (pseudo Aristocrats etc) I've always thought his Politics were broadly right of centre.
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I agree. I like this track. And for sure, England is lost.
After this morning’s result, I would say we’re a nation singing from hymn sheet, actually!
Really? I think Mick's frustration is realistic. First the voters give the Tori's a blow in the face (May's downfall) and now they put Boris on a platform so high, that one wrong move will splash him ... and England. Both are a result of deeply rooted frustration. It hurts to say this, being a warm hearted Anglofile.
I remember 1971 (living in Liverpool). England was total disaster (almost an understatement) and only survived by joining the EEC. The Stones going to France that same year could be a coincidence, but was it?
Best of luck!
The Stones went to France because they were unwilling (unlike some of their contempories) to pay UK tax. So they became tax exiles...a very bourgeois thing to do. When you think of the chums that Mick and Keith hung out with (pseudo Aristocrats etc) I've always thought his Politics were broadly right of centre.
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I agree. I like this track. And for sure, England is lost.
After this morning’s result, I would say we’re a nation singing from hymn sheet, actually!
Really? I think Mick's frustration is realistic. First the voters give the Tori's a blow in the face (May's downfall) and now they put Boris on a platform so high, that one wrong move will splash him ... and England. Both are a result of deeply rooted frustration. It hurts to say this, being a warm hearted Anglofile.
I remember 1971 (living in Liverpool). England was total disaster (almost an understatement) and only survived by joining the EEC. The Stones going to France that same year could be a coincidence, but was it?
Best of luck!
The Stones went to France because they were unwilling (unlike some of their contempories) to pay UK tax. So they became tax exiles...a very bourgeois thing to do. When you think of the chums that Mick and Keith hung out with (pseudo Aristocrats etc) I've always thought his Politics were broadly right of centre.
It was not unwillingness to pay tax, they were close to being bankrupt. The British aristocrats had long learned to get around the tax system, but light minded pop/rock/etc. musicians were ripped off (Mr. Taxman, the Beatles).On top of that Klein had created an almost impossible financial situation and it was thanks to Prince Rupert that the band in the end became rich. Being world famous they were bound to "run into" the world of pseudo and real arristocrats, but that is not a basis for judging on Mick's political preference. I think he is a left of the center guy.
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walkingthedog
I like both sides of this single too. Don't understand all the negativity here. The same goes for Streets Of Love. One of the few songs I never skip on Grrr.
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cyclist
I can see why Keith nixed these songs, but I am certain that with two or three takes in the studio, and maybe some editing to the lyrics and removing filters from Mick's vocals, the Stones would improve it exponentially, and maybe that's our loss.
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I agree. I like this track. And for sure, England is lost.
After this morning’s result, I would say we’re a nation singing from hymn sheet, actually!
Really? I think Mick's frustration is realistic. First the voters give the Tori's a blow in the face (May's downfall) and now they put Boris on a platform so high, that one wrong move will splash him ... and England. Both are a result of deeply rooted frustration. It hurts to say this, being a warm hearted Anglofile.
I remember 1971 (living in Liverpool). England was total disaster (almost an understatement) and only survived by joining the EEC. The Stones going to France that same year could be a coincidence, but was it?
Best of luck!
The Stones went to France because they were unwilling (unlike some of their contempories) to pay UK tax. So they became tax exiles...a very bourgeois thing to do. When you think of the chums that Mick and Keith hung out with (pseudo Aristocrats etc) I've always thought his Politics were broadly right of centre.
You forgot to tell the whole story: The highest rate of income tax throughout the 1960s and back then was around 90% at the time the Stones decided to flee from this robbery. That's not a "bourgeois thing", it was pure rational behaviour considering the uncertain future of any rock'n'roll band.
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snorton
I also like the song, but without seeing the lyrics, I assumed it was about soccor. Isn't Mick famous for seeing England or other teams lose?
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jlowe
I wonder what Mick's expectations were sales wise?
Or would he be too bothered?
Has the experience dampened his confidence....and creativity?
PR/Media for the single seemed a bit low key (no appearances on prime time UK chat shows, that I recall).
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I wonder what Mick's expectations were sales wise?
Or would he be too bothered?
Has the experience dampened his confidence....and creativity?
PR/Media for the single seemed a bit low key (no appearances on prime time UK chat shows, that I recall).
I recall that they were somehow seen as a "test" to gauge how well they would do (not only sales but also fan reaction) while the Stones were working on new material.
If they did well, that might be a direction the band could pursue further. If they made nothing but a thud, it would be a sign that it's probably best to avoid that approach.
The overall lackluster feedback might partially explain why the supposed new album is taking so long with Mick having second thoughts on some of his new material.
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jlowe
I wonder what Mick's expectations were sales wise?
Or would he be too bothered?
Has the experience dampened his confidence....and creativity?
PR/Media for the single seemed a bit low key (no appearances on prime time UK chat shows, that I recall).
I recall that they were somehow seen as a "test" to gauge how well they would do (not only sales but also fan reaction) while the Stones were working on new material.
If they did well, that might be a direction the band could pursue further. If they made nothing but a thud, it would be a sign that it's probably best to avoid that approach.
The overall lackluster feedback might partially explain why the supposed new album is taking so long with Mick having second thoughts on some of his new material.
Yes, that is what I fear. I think it would have been a good thing for Stones to go this way, and not just the Stones-by-numbers way. This was something new - an addition to the oevre. Not just repitition.
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jlowe
I wonder what Mick's expectations were sales wise?
Or would he be too bothered?
Has the experience dampened his confidence....and creativity?
PR/Media for the single seemed a bit low key (no appearances on prime time UK chat shows, that I recall).
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wonderboy
I don't care for the song.
You know if we don't like the song, that doesn't mean we're purists who only listen to our old Chuck Berry 45s, or that we're Keith groupies, or that we fail to understand how music is made these days.
I'm sure most of us download music and have our own special places where we find new artists (bandcamp!) or listen to new music (personally, I have a couple of teenagers who play their music in the car for me every day.)
The song itself -- meh. It's OK.
If Mick puts out a good song and promotes it sincerely, he has a chance. It's not our fault if he doesn't do that.
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wonderboy
I don't care for the song.
You know if we don't like the song, that doesn't mean we're purists who only listen to our old Chuck Berry 45s, or that we're Keith groupies, or that we fail to understand how music is made these days.
I'm sure most of us download music and have our own special places where we find new artists (bandcamp!) or listen to new music (personally, I have a couple of teenagers who play their music in the car for me every day.)
The song itself -- meh. It's OK.
If Mick puts out a good song and promotes it sincerely, he has a chance. It's not our fault if he doesn't do that.
If that was directed at me, let me remind you that my point was just to say that it is irrelevant if one here likes the tune or not to understand what Jagger does there.
And who are these "we" you sound like being a spokesman?
- Doxa
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wonderboy
I don't care for the song.
You know if we don't like the song, that doesn't mean we're purists who only listen to our old Chuck Berry 45s, or that we're Keith groupies, or that we fail to understand how music is made these days.
I'm sure most of us download music and have our own special places where we find new artists (bandcamp!) or listen to new music (personally, I have a couple of teenagers who play their music in the car for me every day.)
The song itself -- meh. It's OK.
If Mick puts out a good song and promotes it sincerely, he has a chance. It's not our fault if he doesn't do that.
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wonderboy
I wrote 'we' instead of 'I' because I didn't want to intimate I'm the only one who does those things.
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Hairball
If they're aiming or striving for some form of brand new/contemporary method of release with the new album, they sure didn't show any hint of it with Blue and Lonesome.
Old school all the way no matter how you look at it - traditional blues covers with twelve tunes in an album format with two videos to promote it.
No matter what one thinks of the music itself, it seems that method worked just fine for them resulting in a #1 in many countries and a Grammy winner as the icing.
Mick can do whatever he wants with multiple remixes and multiple videos, but the results sort of spoke for themselves and doubt the Stones as a band (and even Universal) want to go down that route.