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There's really no need for you to continue to go on about Mick's follow up to the magnificiently pathetic and horrendous Let's Work follow up, the audio version of a million balloons falling into the ocean, choking turtles, fish and cetaceans. It's very unbecoming and in high regard for zero couth.

Sometimes, when one is dressed down so eloquently and with perfect command of imagery and language, you can only be honored to have elicited such a response from one whose posts you so enjoy. As nice a Christmas present as I'll receive.

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There's really no need for you to continue to go on about Mick's follow up to the magnificiently pathetic and horrendous Let's Work follow up, the audio version of a million balloons falling into the ocean, choking turtles, fish and cetaceans. It's very unbecoming and in high regard for zero couth.

Sometimes, when one is dressed down so eloquently and with perfect command of imagery and language, you can only be honored to have elicited such a response from one whose posts you so enjoy. As nice a Christmas present as I'll receive.

HA HA! I thought you'd get a kick out of that. I forgot to mention that it, as most of them do, has an accent with the oddwonk face, like this the one of George Augustus Duke, the Duke Of Brunswick... and a few other things, from POTC:

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Not according to Zentgraf.

910107A 7th - 18th January: London, Hit Factory Studios. Producers: The Glimmer
Twins & Chris Kimsey. Sound engineer: Mark Stent. Incl.
- Highwire I (MJ/KR) -Bernard Fowler on backing vocals; Flashpoint-version
- Highwire II (MJ/KR) -Bernard Fowler on backing vocals; single-edit
- Sex Drive I (MJ/KR) -The Kick Horns on brass, Tessa Niles and Katie
Kissoon on backing vocals; Flashpoint version
- Sex Drive II (MJ/KR) -The Kick Horns on brass, Tessa Niles and Katie
Kissoon on backing vocals; single-edit
- Sex Drive III (MJ/KR) -The Kick Horns on brass, Tessa Niles and Katie
Kissoon on backing vocals; Club Version/12” Mix
- Sex Drive IV (MJ/KR) -The Kick Horns on brass, Tessa Niles and Katie
Kissoon on backing vocals; Club Version Edit
- Sex Drive V (MJ/KR) -The Kick Horns on brass, Tessa Niles and Katie
Kissoon on backing vocals; Dirty Hands Mix
- Sex Drive VI (MJ/KR) -The Kick Horns on brass, Tessa Niles and Katie
Kissoon on backing vocals; Dirty Hands Mix (2013 extended remix of V)
Note: RW attended the sessions only from 7th - 11th January.

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I hate to rejuvenate the old tread. But here is a question.
Blake in his Rarities Done Right stated the following:

I do have images of that 2CD-R compilation



But not the discs as a physical product and no rip. So I can not judge what version of Sex Drive is Disc 2, Track 16, Sex Drive (2013). Guess, it should be version VI mentioned by Nico and Blake.

However, I do have a mp3 version of that compilation that leaked some time ago from BMG site. Do not ask me for details, apparently, they forgot to lock the download option and it was available for awhile. Sex Drive from that download is a regular CBS album version with a bit of compression (increased loudness) added. Also, it was speed up a little. I.e., the track from the download is indeed 5:06 vs. 5:08 on CBS CD Flashpoint. But it is the same mix and the same album version.

Does Sex Drive VI (MJ/KR) Dirty Hands Mix (2013 extended remix of V) really exist? Can anybody provide me a sample of that version VI?
Thank you beforehand.

I have this one: [we.tl]

It is 5:05 long and so a little longer than the normal Dirty Hands Mix. IIRC it is from Blake's RDR collection, so maybe you have it already...

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Hope there's more like Highwire. Love that one.

Me too.

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I have this one: [we.tl]

It is 5:05 long and so a little longer than the normal Dirty Hands Mix. IIRC it is from Blake's RDR collection, so maybe you have it already...

Thank you very much. But, but... It is upconverted to flac version of the track I downloaded in mp3 from BMG site.

It is album version that appeared on CBS CD Flashpoint but tweaked. The modifications are the following:
- track is phase inverted 180 degrees (i.e. positive peaks became negative)
- track is compressed (actually, almost brickwalled). Original version from CBS CD Flashpoint has Dynamic Range DR=12. The file you sent me (and the one I have) is DR=7. That is why you hear more details that were buried in the mix on the original track. Those details are there, but they are not that loud and sharp.
- track was speed up a bit. If you align this track and album version from CBS CD Flashpoint at the opening lick the drift by the end will be ~0.9 sec. I.e., album version from CBS CD will be delayed. This is a constant drift, nothing related to extra loops or similar tricks. Yes, corresponding pitch drift is also there.

Here is the comparison (I also made level adjustments so the left and the right channels are of approximately the same loudness). Left channel - so called Dirty Hands Mix Extended Edit. Right channel - album version from CBS CD Flashpoint.
[we.tl]

Now the funny thing.
Dirty Hands Mix from CBS CD Single and album version from CBS CD Flashpoint essentially utilized the same basic track and mostly the same vocal tracks. But it has a couple of loops inserted here and there. The obvious one: on Dirty Hands Mix the vocal starts at ~0:14. On album version at ~0:09. The version that supposed to be Dirty Hands Extended Mix has the vocal up also ~0:09.

So, the version you sent is not the case, IMHO. It is album version with extra compression and playback drift.

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I have this one: [we.tl]

It is 5:05 long and so a little longer than the normal Dirty Hands Mix. IIRC it is from Blake's RDR collection, so maybe you have it already...

Thank you very much. But, but... It is upconverted to flac version of the track I downloaded in mp3 from BMG site.

Yes, I probably saved the mp3 as flac back then...

And yes, you made a good and interesting discovery, the Extended Dirty Hands Mix is indeed the same as the CBS Flashpoint version. So that BMI promo did not really contain a new version but the original 1st album version. It's funny that nobody noticed that so far.



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What a bizarre promo comp. One More Shot and Sex Drive in 2013... on what? The BMG comp? Is One More Shot a different mix? That's strange.

Someone at BMG needs their head examined: Winning Ugly? Sweethearts Together? Sharks Will Cry? Get Juiced?

Yikes.

I think it's fantastic that you brought this thread back, ironbelly - there's a lot of extremely interesting conversation going on throughout it - some of it extremely relevant now that HACKNEY DIAMONDS has been out.

Then there's me in the Virgin anniversary thread ranting about the difference between Sex Drive on the CBS and Virgin FLASHPOINT.

I hardly remember writing anything in this one! But there's some really good things in this thread. Small things, like Keith's guitar in Sex Drive - it's the 2000 Light Years From Home vamp he did in 1989-90, which he didn't on the LP version except a drawn out vamp in the instrumental break that he tidied way up for the live performance - that first break in Sex Drive is the lick I'm talking about - sounds like his tweed Fender Champ aka a Champ Champ, which I recently looked into getting and, well, my new A/C-gas heater is going to be just over $9000 so I don't think spending, well, let's just say the new A/C-heater is 100% more relevant. I already have a Champ but it's the mid 60s combo.

Mick's awful PRIMITIVE COOL demo Danger Up Ahead/Hot Line and Highwire... which I always thought was just Oh let's take It Must Be Hell and half time or invert it, whatever, so Highwire's not so much like Honky Tonk Women 3.

And some bigger things, like the decline of the Stones' quality of songwriting etc, which I think got flipped on its head with HD, along with their astounding ability to think chunks of albums post-1983 had 100% releasable material on them ie the huge lack of NO men since the Stones, eh, more Mick, surrounded themselves with Yes men...


Oh I forgot, I was looking to see if I mentioned anything about it and got sidetracked but towards the end of Highwire Mick claps his hands ONCE. It's quite noticeable. It almost jumps out of the speakers. Although no where near as noticeable as Ronnie's laugh during How Can I Stop, perhaps one of the greatest recording session noises unintended for a track in the history of The Rolling Stones - that they kept because that was the take (skytrench's slant that digital recording prevents a band/artist from doing 75 takes or whatever - the Stones still do loads of takes - if they were actually interested in editing one take because it's so easy they'd have released everything in the vaults already).

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I have this one: [we.tl]

It is 5:05 long and so a little longer than the normal Dirty Hands Mix. IIRC it is from Blake's RDR collection, so maybe you have it already...

Thank you very much. But, but... It is upconverted to flac version of the track I downloaded in mp3 from BMG site.

Yes, I probably saved the mp3 as flac back then...

And yes, you made a good and interesting discovery, the Extended Dirty Hands Mix is indeed the same as the CBS Flashpoint version. So that BMI promo did not really contain a new version but the original 1st album version. It's funny that nobody noticed that so far.

There is a slim chance that Dirty Hands Extended Mix really exist. You know, they might put regular version for download and include unknown mix on CD-R. The question if this is a case.

This is not the first time they screw the things around. Should I remind about the unknown mix of Mixed Emotions that appeared on Steel Wheels LP from 2018 The Rolling Stones Studio Albums Vinyl Collection 1971-2016 Box Set? It just appeared out of nowhere and is present only on that LP.

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What a bizarre promo comp. One More Shot and Sex Drive in 2013... on what? The BMG comp? Is One More Shot a different mix? That's strange.

Someone at BMG needs their head examined: Winning Ugly? Sweethearts Together? Sharks Will Cry? Get Juiced?

Yikes.

That is the old story from 2013
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It was discussed here at the time.
That promo 2CD-R compilation is real. It was issued for internal use. And some members of this forum might have it .

There was a download on BMG site (not protected for some time). So a lot downloaded that compilation. But in mp3 128kbit/sec.

One More Shot was a regular version.

Just a bit stupid selection of the late tracks.

PS. I do not want to go any further and discuss the limited to 250 copies promo LP issued by BMG .

Miles Showell, who mastered that Abbey Road boxed set, said that for each album he'd been provided with whole load of different digital files to choose from.

He didn't know much about their respective origins and simply used the ones he though would provide the best source and sound on the finished record.

Why do they write "Sex Drive" (2 words) on Flashpoint and "Sexdrive" (1 word) on the single? I assume that has no specific reason and is just for sloppiness...

I found a FLAC rip of the BMG promo CD. It is definitively the Flashpoint album version, only a bit compressed and made louder (as usual): [we.tl]
There is no Extended Dirty Hands Mix existing!!! That was a hoax!

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I found a FLAC rip of the BMG promo CD. It is definitively the Flashpoint album version, only a bit compressed and made louder (as usual): [we.tl]
There is no Extended Dirty Hands Mix existing!!! That was a hoax!

Thank you very much!
And it runs a bit faster, like I mentioned before.

What a mess!

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What a bizarre promo comp. One More Shot and Sex Drive in 2013... on what? The BMG comp? Is One More Shot a different mix?
Yikes.

there was a different mix of "One More Shot"
released as a single on iTunes done by Jeff Bhasker.
don´t know though whether it was released on mentioned BMG compilation

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Why do they write "Sex Drive" (2 words) on Flashpoint and "Sexdrive" (1 word) on the single? I assume that has no specific reason and is just for sloppiness...

Lowdown, Low Down... JumpinG, Tumblin'... who knows.

What I didn't know is that UOTN is on that single and it's not on the version I have - with overdubs, of course, that fwanging guitar that, thankfully, is not on ATLANTIC CITY.

Perhaps all the work for FLASHPOINT, what, 8 B-sides? shows how much post-production they did for the album and then... eh, put what they put on the album (really, Little Red Rooster? and not 2000 Light Years?). 3 STEEL WHEELS songs? A bit strange.