About "Don't lie to me", though MT starts his solo beautiful it's an aweful ending of it (IMO), but yeah, the ending is a wreckage too...

Anyone in the band makes mistakes, but thats gutsing

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It's hillarious when Mick (J) laughs at Keef at the end. Reminds me of Rambler Marquee '71 when Keef is behind on the break. The whole band has a hard time not laughing. S**t happends - even Keith makes mistakes

He's not laughing at Keith. He's laughing at a car crash-ending, like he always does. Listen to the ending of Don't Lie To Me from Fort Worth 1972 among others

Yeah, sorry. Me bad -I agree, Of course it's the whole situation. When I was watching it, I was just curious to see who's fault it actually was... Anyway its a da*n good version, and the ending just ad to the energy

Yep, it's called real live music

Keith is not giving Charlie the finger -he’s gesturing to Ted Newman Jones to turn the amps up.

It’s been brought to my attention that Keith does not tend to give the middle finger, but flick the V instead like many British people. When Keith gives the middle finger to any of his guitar techs he wants his amp to be turned up.

He does yell ‘stop @#$%& around’ to Taylor though.

Mathijs



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Keith is not giving Charlie the finger -he’s gesturing to Ted Newman Jones to turn the amps up.

It’s been brought to my attention that Keith does not tend to give the middle finger, but flick the V instead like many British people. When Keith gives the middle finger to any of his guitar techs he wants his amp to be turned up.

He does yell ‘stop @#$%& around’ to Taylor though.

Mathijs

Makes sense...it's way too presumptuous to assume that was what Keith was doing.





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Keith is not giving Charlie the finger -he’s gesturing to Ted Newman Jones to turn the amps up.

It’s been brought to my attention that Keith does not tend to give the middle finger, but flick the V instead like many British people. When Keith gives the middle finger to any of his guitar techs he wants his amp to be turned up.

He does yell ‘stop @#$%& around’ to Taylor though.

Mathijs

Some enterpetation!!! You've got 10/10!!! Turn the amps up

...But he shure yells to Taylor though...

Maybe Keith should start yelling: turn the monitors up..?

Anyway, that was hillarious

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Keith is not giving Charlie the finger -he’s gesturing to Ted Newman Jones to turn the amps up... When Keith gives the middle finger to any of his guitar techs he wants his amp to be turned up.


Mathijs

Makes sense ... and if he's holding a guitar pick between his index finger and thumb, if he wanted to gesture upwards -- or in any direction -- he would have to point with his middle finger.

Yeah sure, whatever. When I want the volume up I just move the whole hand

When i want the volume up I beg for Keith to give his fu*k finger to Charlie...

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Keith is not giving Charlie the finger -he’s gesturing to Ted Newman Jones to turn the amps up.

It’s been brought to my attention that Keith does not tend to give the middle finger, but flick the V instead like many British people. When Keith gives the middle finger to any of his guitar techs he wants his amp to be turned up.


Mathijs

Cool story bro.

Flicking the V!

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Keith is not giving Charlie the finger -he’s gesturing to Ted Newman Jones to turn the amps up.

It’s been brought to my attention that Keith does not tend to give the middle finger, but flick the V instead like many British people. When Keith gives the middle finger to any of his guitar techs he wants his amp to be turned up.


Mathijs

Cool story bro.

Adapting to local customs?

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Yeah sure, whatever. When I want the volume up I just move the whole hand

He always has made up BS.

I thought he gave the finger to Charlie when Pierre corrected me with the above.

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I thought he gave the finger to Charlie when Pierre corrected me with the above.

Mathijs

I say this with respect to Mathijs and I guess to Pierre, but that does not make much sense. If one follows what happens right then and there, Keith gets tripped up in that ending between him and Charlie. Jagger is right there, catches it too, and laughs. It makes perfect sense for Keith to throw something at Charlie.
Keith's body language also says it; he is looking right at Charlie.
Would he be gesturing behind the line to Ted N. wouldn't it be more insistent and pointed? Take longer?
Was Pierre even around back then? I mean I feel kind of silly doubting one of the most inside men, but that just doesn't sound right.

I don't know, from my angle it looks like Keith isn't facing Charlie but indeed somebody behind him.

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I thought he gave the finger to Charlie when Pierre corrected me with the above.

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Yeah....right

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I thought he gave the finger to Charlie when Pierre corrected me with the above.

Mathijs

I say this with respect to Mathijs and I guess to Pierre, but that does not make much sense. If one follows what happens right then and there, Keith gets tripped up in that ending between him and Charlie. Jagger is right there, catches it too, and laughs. It makes perfect sense for Keith to throw something at Charlie.
Keith's body language also says it; he is looking right at Charlie.
Would he be gesturing behind the line to Ted N. wouldn't it be more insistent and pointed? Take longer?
Was Pierre even around back then? I mean I feel kind of silly doubting one of the most inside men, but that just doesn't sound right.

All I know is that I thought Keith gave the finger, but Pierre insists Keith tends not to give the finger but flick the V, and apparently this is the way Keith indicates he wants his amp turned up. I don’t know Keith, Pierre does.

It made sense to me as some Brits I know do not use the middle finger as an insult. My old professor from London counted 1, 2, 3 when he wanted to make his point, ending with his middle finger pointing at you. When he was aggravated he pointed his middle finger at you while raising his voice telling how wrong you were. We thought it was funny, he never understood.

Mathijs

That day on that stage Keef invented the "pushed to 11" amp.

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That day on that stage Keef invented the "pushed to 11" amp.

After that disastrous ending "Turn up the volume!" makes no sense at all.
Keith is annoyed and is giving the finger to someone - presumably Charlie.

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It made sense to me as some Brits I know do not use the middle finger...

Every single Brit I know utilises use of the middle finger.

So let's say Keith DID give Charlie the finger...does anyone care?

Charlie is the one person (as far as we know) that Keith has never insulted or abused over the decades (well probably Stu as well), which is miraculous given Keith's personality, and we all know damn well Charlie probably just smirked at Keith and shrugged.

It is of course common amongst friends and colleagues to utilise the middle finger in a playful manner.

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I say this with respect to Mathijs and I guess to Pierre, but that does not make much sense. If one follows what happens right then and there, Keith gets tripped up in that ending between him and Charlie. Jagger is right there, catches it too, and laughs. It makes perfect sense for Keith to throw something at Charlie.
Keith's body language also says it; he is looking right at Charlie.
Would he be gesturing behind the line to Ted N. wouldn't it be more insistent and pointed? Take longer?
Was Pierre even around back then? I mean I feel kind of silly doubting one of the most inside men, but that just doesn't sound right.

I have seen both Taylor and Richards cranking up their Ampegs themselves, they are not miles away from their amps.



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I say this with respect to Mathijs and I guess to Pierre, but that does not make much sense. If one follows what happens right then and there, Keith gets tripped up in that ending between him and Charlie. Jagger is right there, catches it too, and laughs. It makes perfect sense for Keith to throw something at Charlie.
Keith's body language also says it; he is looking right at Charlie.
Would he be gesturing behind the line to Ted N. wouldn't it be more insistent and pointed? Take longer?
Was Pierre even around back then? I mean I feel kind of silly doubting one of the most inside men, but that just doesn't sound right.

I have seen both Taylor and Richards cranking up their Ampegs themselves, they are not miles away from their amps.

They fiddled with their amps quite a bit in those days.

Looking back at it now I am sure he is talking to somebody standing behind the amps, and certainly not to Charlie. He does not seem to be angry to me as well. He could be indicating he wants to change guitars, or keep the same guitar. Or telling Newman to tell the monitor mixer, who was behind Nicky in those days, to turn the monitors up.

Also -it’s not Charlie who makes the mistake, it’s Taylor who continues with the main riff.

Mathijs



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Charlie ends the song too soon...and Keith reacts...Or have I been wrong all these years? How can I go on???

You haven't been wrong earlier, but you are now. Everything about the band is up for sanitized reinterpretation. Kissing c*nt in Cannes becomes Kissing cut in cans and Brown Sugar is what you put in your tea