Sorry I bring this up. Keefster would kill me.

Thing is: A friend of mine, die-hard (without computer or internet)
Stones fan since 1977-78 heard the most sick thing...
During a band introduction Ronnie bowed & thanked for the
applauds he received... And the guitar (that was supposingly his)
continued to play... (? :-O ).

Maybe this is the type of wandering myth that pops up along every tour,
but I thought I´d bring it up.

Personally I think its a misunderstanding; Blondie playing... Or slt...
Or does anyone here know if they have tapes with supporting instruments
along on aBB-tour?

What I´m after here: Facts. I would gladly see theories beside
(myself a semi-charlatan in Ethnography & Anthopology) on
myths etc. generally and in this case specifically...
But, facts on the issue. Who plays?
Are there ghost-players in the ditch?
.....Or is this just bull? If bull; please convince me why it is so!



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2005-10-07 09:59 by Baboon Bro.

On Licks tour also !!

IMHO for the Stones it would be far more difficult to keep synchronization with automatic sounds on stage than just play by themselves...I think it's bull

There was a (German?) newspaper that once claimed that most of the VL tour shows were done in play back. I am not sure how this ended up. Someone told me here that it turned out to be bullshit.

As far as I can say from the shows I have seen, no play back is used, except for the sampled percussions on Devil and effects on Shelter (licks) and 2000lightyears (UJ). Not too sure about the cow bell on HTW again on the UJ tour.

This is so obvious because you can see that Keith hates syncro playing, and doesn't even care to play on time (main reason why Devil is such a shit song these days).

The same goes for what I hear on boots.

In any case, if tapes were ever used, I would guess that we would hear some wonderful melodic taylor style vibrato solos thrown in here and there!

C

What about the flack that Ronnie took for out of key solos?
Also Keith's BS improvisations?
Pre-recorded?
I think it's a load of knackers.
But that is just my opinion.

Oily.

"In any case, if tapes were ever used, I would guess that we would hear some wonderful melodic taylor style vibrato solos thrown in here and there!" (Liddas)

That would be something. Wood´s appearande & Taylors vibr - a - t - o...
Instead of the opposite: Taylors body mass index & Woods spicks & specks

On the Licks tour, there was a phantom guitar on the first song of the show. I have no doubts about that, as I was about 3 feet from Keith and neither him nor Ronnie was playing what was blasting out of the speakers. But after the first song it was turned off(or down)I got the feeling they were just afraid they would blow the intro, which lets face it Keith has misplayed many times.

Keith said about the German newspaper Voodoo Lounge thingy:

"We play ALL instruments live, except for the loop on SFTD. Tell us if you don't like us, but don't say that we don't play live. That's like the ultimate insult".

I think that holds up today as well. How can people even question that?

JumpingKentFlash

liddas Wrote:
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> > There was a (German?) newspaper that once
> claimed that most of the VL tour shows were done
> in play back. I am not sure how this ended up.
> Someone told me here that it turned out to be
> bullshit.
>
> As far as I can say from the shows I have seen, no
> play back is used, except for the sampled
> percussions on Devil and effects on Shelter
> (licks) and 2000lightyears (UJ). Not too sure
> about the cow bell on HTW again on the UJ tour.
>
> This is so obvious because you can see that Keith
> hates syncro playing, and doesn't even care to
> play on time (main reason why Devil is such a shit
> song these days).
>
> The same goes for what I hear on boots.
>
> In any case, if tapes were ever used, I would
> guess that we would hear some wonderful melodic
> taylor style vibrato solos thrown in here and
> there!
>
> C

It was DER SPIEGEL in, I Guess, '95. It ended with a apology of the magazin and the statement that the music of the Stones is all over hand-made.

humanriff77 Wrote:
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> On the Licks tour, there was a phantom guitar on
> the first song of the show. I have no doubts about
> that, as I was about 3 feet from Keith and neither
> him nor Ronnie was playing what was blasting out
> of the speakers. But after the first song it was
> turned off(or down)I got the feeling they were
> just afraid they would blow the intro, which lets
> face it Keith has misplayed many times.


Not a Phantom, it was just Blondie Chaplan,

RobertJohnson Wrote:
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> liddas Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > > There was a (German?) newspaper that
> once
> > claimed that most of the VL tour shows were
> done
> > in play back. I am not sure how this ended
> up.
> > Someone told me here that it turned out to
> be
> > bullshit.
> >
> > As far as I can say from the shows I have
> seen, no
> > play back is used, except for the sampled
> > percussions on Devil and effects on Shelter
> > (licks) and 2000lightyears (UJ). Not too
> sure
> > about the cow bell on HTW again on the UJ
> tour.
> >
> > This is so obvious because you can see that
> Keith
> > hates syncro playing, and doesn't even care
> to
> > play on time (main reason why Devil is such a
> shit
> > song these days).
> >
> > The same goes for what I hear on boots.
> >
> > In any case, if tapes were ever used, I
> would
> > guess that we would hear some wonderful
> melodic
> > taylor style vibrato solos thrown in here
> and
> > there!
> >
> > C
>
> It was DER SPIEGEL in, I Guess, '95. It ended with
> a apology of the magazin and the statement that
> the music of the Stones is all over hand-made.
>
>
Here the story in German:

Nach Abschluss der Tournee erschien im seriösen Nachrichtenmagazin "Der Spiegel" eine Story, die den Verdacht äußerte, dass die Stones während der "Voodoo Lounge" - Tournee teilweise mit Play Back gearbeitet hätten. Wer die Konzerte gesehen hatte, konnte sich das nicht vorstellen und angesichts der unterschiedlichen Interpretationen ihres Materials während der Tournee hätte das auch wenig Sinn ergeben. Jedenfalls blieb etwas hängen. Die Stones bestritten den Vorwurf vehement, erwirkten eine Gegendarstellung, die jedoch nichts weiter sein konnte als eine Gegenbehauptung. Anscheinend recherchierte man von "Spiegel" - Seite weiter und stellte fest, dass an den eigenen Vorwürfen nichts dran war. Fast ein Jahr später rückte man unter der Überschrift "Doch live" die Sache ins richtige Licht.

cited: [www.rockundliebe.de]

Wonderful stuff... Ronnies guitar keeps playing when he's not! Heard it all now!!!!

humanriff77 Wrote:
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> I got the feeling they were
> just afraid they would blow the intro, which lets
> face it Keith has misplayed many times.

Yesterday I listened to the Columbus show. What an awful intro to Brown sugar! It sounded like Keith never played the song before.

After all the whining on this board, they finally gave M.Taylor a job behind the curtain, just to please a few weired posters - haha.

No honestly - thats bullsh*t

Even closer to the point, there was talk of the Stones being taken to court over their alleged use of "extensive" backing takes during their 1990 Urban Jungle tour. The allegation came about through a fan hearing two identical versions of Rock and a Hard Place from recordings of two different concerts. It was noted that even the guitar breaks were note-for-note identical with each other!

This was at a time when Madonna had been found to have quite blatantly mimed to a number of songs during her tour, resulting in one american state to issue warnings that it would impose heavy fines upon any future perpetrators, in so much that playing to backing tapes would contavene the conditions of what is supposed to be a "live" performance.

Additionally, I can recall that during the band's Sheffield appearance on the Voodoo Lounge tour, a friend of mine (and guitar freak), who was with me just a few feet from the stage, swore that during the frantic final numbers of the set, Keith's guitar kept playing without his hands being anywhere near the strings. I was too drunk to notice.

Hmmmm....

Come on guys, forget it... The Rolling Stones do play live. The german magazine "Der Spiegel" had to apologize for the bullshit they wrote some 10 years ago. Don't believe stories like that.

Ashlee Simpson told me it never happened.....

IF they used backing tapes don't you think they would be in tune /time ?

"You can't polish a turd !"

I watched the Fenway DVD and was surprised to see that Keith doesn't play the opening riff for She's So Cold. Did anyone else notice this? I couldn't tell who was playing at the shows I was at but assumed it was Keith. Is it Ronnie?

Nonsense.
Nonsense.

There are no other players "hidden" anywhere.

NONSENSE.

Milo, NYC
Got to scrape the shit right of my shoes

If they do have automated sound, I expect it to sound a little better! When Ronnie's in key and never misses a beat, when Keith doesn't @#$%& up the intro to Brown Sugar, that's when I start to worry!

Yes..now it is time to tell the world the truth....
The Stones are using play backs since VL tour.
Keith has not play a chord since Urban Jungle due to his arthritis..
Blondie is playing his parts and another guitarist( do not know his name) is
doing Ronnies part backstage.
Mick is singing his part just before the show on autopilot, that is why he dissapears backstage with Chuck on showday for an hour or two.
Just not sure about Charly.
Does he play at least ?
The only one playing really live is Daryl and Chuck of course.

Come on guys; you can do better...
Please read the first post...
I dont believe it either; but...
Argument, this is an ooool´ issue.

But my friend usually has a circle around ´im with reliable sources.
I will try to track this one down though.

Since I myself play the guitar, without wanting I tend to focus more on Keith/Ronnie than the rest of the band. In more than 15 years of Stones concerts, mostly fos, I have to say that I witnessed a vast range of major screw ups - @#$%& ups - bum notes, and not once I had the feeling they were on play back.

Normally in large arenas it happens that what you see is not what you hear, because the sound is mixed up and confused by echoes, monitors, stage amps etc.


C

liddas Wrote:
> Normally in large arenas it happens that what you
> see is not what you hear, because the sound is
> mixed up and confused by echoes, monitors, stage
> amps etc.

You got it, liddas.
That is the point excatly.

The problem with myths and rumours is, you can't convince the folks who believe, in the opposite.
after that damn Spiegel article my (non Stones fans) friends still keep telling me that kinda bullshit. The other appologizing article came late and wasn't very popular.
Baboon, you got some hard talk to do.
good luck

The other amazing thing about myths and rumors is that they can often be tested and dispelled easily.

Listen to the boots! It's obvious that the guitars and drums are not pre-recorded. And as pointed out above, if someone's playing Keith's or Ronnie's guitar parts offstage, he/she is getting paid to screw up at least every couple of songs.

Blondie plays guitar, rather discretely, on some tunes. But he's providing fill only (usually accoustic at that). It's plainly evident when you see them live and listen to the boots that it's Keith and Ronnie, for worse and for better.

Speaking of which, Monday night in Washington DC Keith was going to the 4 chord on IORR way too early in the first verse. Daryl walked over to him, gave him a subtle nod, Keith got back in time, and then proceeded to play some MEAN rhythm. Then, when his solo came, KR got DOWN. Superb example of why the Stones are always truly live, and why we're grateful.

Ronnie plays the opening on She's so cold, just as he does on Respectable and Whip comes down. And you know what, this phantom playing is just the result of the ancient art of weaving, the ultimate guitarslinger work that Ronnie and Keith have developed over the years. You never know whos playing what. Genious!

And on top of that Blondie plays quite a lot guitar, both acoustics and electrics. He's into the weaving too.

my cousin used to say that they did not play there songs live ...this was 20 years ago....why i dont know...i saw them at the garden front row on the side and saw the guitar tech tuning , and all the swicthing after ever song....no way .....they do have a loop for sftd but..the other s are them...what a joke!!

What would be the reason they released live album's then?