BB, LIB, and SF all seem to build on one another. Exile does not continue with the building process, it just decorates it, embellishes what's already there.

I ain't stupid, I'm just guitarded.



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RankOutsider Wrote:
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> BB, LIB, and SF all seem to build on one another.
> Exile does not continue with the building process,
> it just decorates it, embellishes what's already
> there. Nothing wrong with some fresh paint and
> some extra bells and whistles though if what
> you've already got is the best rock 'n' roll
> machine going.
>

Tell us, what's the difference between "embelish what's already there" and "build on one another"?


> "but now I'm just one of your cocks"

But AM I just-a one of your . . . for f-ck's sake, man.





Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2005-09-30 08:15 by camper88.

Take a chill pill camper, I don't really give a shit about what YOU think the words are. And as far as the albums go they're all great albums, so take your pick. Mine is SF. You ok with that? Or, should I change that too?

(oh, I forgot to add "with all due respect")

I ain't stupid, I'm just guitarded.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2005-09-30 08:55 by RankOutsider.

RankOutsider Wrote:
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> Take a chill pill camper, I don't really give a
> shit about what YOU think the words are.



Nor do I. But seriously, do you think the words of the song as recorded are "but NOW I'm just . . . "? OR "but AM I just"?

Please remember that I started this enquiry by asking

Rank,

With all due respect, can you check your signature for accuracy?

I guess the "all due respect" and accuracy thing was lost on you.








Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2005-09-30 08:40 by camper88.

camper, (with all due respect of course) I only have one question for you, "Why are you being a jerk about this?

I ain't stupid, I'm just guitarded.

Exile is the sound of a band in a groove. And when I say band, I mean everyone, from Keith to Nicky to the guy who played the upright bass. You put it on, and you can feel the atmosphere - cramped studio, hot, smoke in the air - and nothing sounds overdubbed. Shake You Hips, Turd on the Run, Just Want to see his Face -- not great tracks, maybe, but without em, it wouldn't be Exile. I think it's their best album, and every cut is essential.

The ONE weakness is that it lacks the absolute knock-out, classic Stones song that BB (SFM, SFTD), LIB (Midnight Rambler, GS!) and Sticky Fingers (Brown Sugar) all have, although Tumbling Dice comes close. But I think that it edges out the other three because it is a double album.

Let me pose another question: how would the albums rank if JJF had been included on Beggars Banquet, or if HTW had replaced Country Honk on LIB? If you did that, then my opinion, LIB becomes a perfect album.

Bill Plummer is the guy who played upright bass on Exile.
someone somewhere once put it like this:
"on Beggars, LIB and SF, they've got that beast cornered;
on Exile, they're living with it."
to me, Beggars and LIB are equal to Exile, just as they are
(and i wouldn't replace Country Honk for [or with] anything in the whole wide world).


"What do you want - what?!"
- Keith

drbryant just nails it. The quality of songriting maybe isn't as consistent as on the other albums of the big four, but It's the live feel and continuous flow that makes Exile stand out among them. A wonderful mosaic of an album... "a loose baggy monster" (Henry James on the great 19th century Russian novels, with which it has something in common). Their best ever and along with Ya-Ya's my desert iskland pick.

----------------------------
"Music is the frozen tapioca in the ice chest of history."

"Shit!... No shit, awright!"



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2005-09-30 15:33 by Greg.

It has a special atmosphere that connects all the songs.I love all of it-not one weak spot.Even I just want to see his face is fab!

camper88, you're contribution to this thread has been indespensable.

I ain't stupid, I'm just guitarded.

I think it is very hard in the first place to compare albums to each other. All Stones albums are made in different eras and for example my own favourite: Tattoo You (1981) is not comparable to the masterpiece Exile. Because they are so different in style, riffs and just produced different.

Exile is absolutely one of the greatest, but I think it has some fillers too, like: 'Shake Your Hips', what is that anyway? And also 'Ventilator blues' is a very weak track IMO.

I think it shots better than Sticky. But Sticky don't have fillers though.

//Carl



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sir_carlos Wrote:
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> I think it is very hard in the first place to
> compare albums to each other. All Stones albums
> are made in different eras and for example my own
> favourite: Tattoo You (1981) is not comparable to
> the masterpiece Exile. Because they are so
> different in style, riffs and just produced
> different.
>
> Exile is absolutely one of the greatest, but I
> think it has some fillers too, like: 'Shake Your
> Hips', what is that anyway? And also 'Ventilator
> blues' is a very weak track IMO.
>
> I think it shots better than Sticky. But Sticky
> don't have fillers though.
>
>

"Shake Your Hips" is a traditional blues cover originally done by the great bluesman Slim Harpo. It is AMAZING to me how on this board that when the Stones do a blues cover tribute to one of their heroes, so many people who aren't familiar with the blues consider those songs fillers !!!

drbryant Wrote:
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> Let me pose another question: how would the
> albums rank if JJF had been included on Beggars
> Banquet, or if HTW had replaced Country Honk on
> LIB? If you did that, then my opinion, LIB
> becomes a perfect album.


Actually, drbryant, I think if you did what you suggest then it's 'Beggars Banquet' that becomes the perfect album...and it's a pretty damn perfect album the way it is too ! In my opinion, 'Let It Bleed' would still have the weakness of the studio version of "Midnight Rambler" not matching up to the scorching live version featured on "Ya-Yas!".

sir_carlos Wrote:
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> I think it is very hard in the first place to
> compare albums to each other. All Stones albums
> are made in different eras and for example my own
> favourite: Tattoo You (1981) is not comparable to
> the masterpiece Exile. Because they are so
> different in style, riffs and just produced
> different.

Carl,

I'm always surprised by the suggestion that it's hard to compare albums to one another.

We can compare baroque to classical, romantic to modern, and bebop to swing, or even baroque to bebop, but we can't compare albums done by the same rock band to one another? Why not?

Isn't a comparison simply a matter of understanding the differences and similarites of two things? Isn't that what you've just done in the second part of the paragraph that I quote above: they've got different styles, riffs, and production values? And if it is, couldn't one then make an assessment (subjectve as it might be) of which of those two albums is better or worse than the other?

For example, I might argue that JJF is a superior song to Blinded By Love because of JJF's incredible hook, infectious beat, and gritty production (among other things)--all elements that (in comparison) I find lacking in BBL. Now that's my subjective criteria, and someone else may say that BBL is more melodic, substantially more extra-texual in its references to the bible, literature and culture, and more calming and thus a better song (again, subjective criteria). But there's little doubt that the songs can be compared (as can albums, by extension), and that as long as we make explicit the assumptions and criteria that inform our understanding of what constitutes "better," then we can do all of these things.

What do you think? Is that fair?




Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2005-10-01 19:09 by camper88.

Hey, RockR, Are you Alberto from Argentine? If so: It's me, Maarten From New York. .....

exile is an audio encyclopedia of american roots'n'roll...takes quite a few listens to absorb all of its greatness...thats why it never gets old

Absolutely Leonard - if anybody cares, I put my 2 cents worth (maybe a nickel - 2 posts) on the SF vs EOMS thread a couple days ago

Maarten1812 Wrote:
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> > Hey, RockR, Are you Alberto from Argentine? If
> so: It's me, Maarten From New York. .....



Nope, sorry. I'm Bob from Wisconsin !

I gotta say that I like nearly all the Stones albums. Whereas each is different from the others, each has it's own character. I love Exile and Sticky Fingers, but I couldn't really choose between them because they are different in lots of ways, even though they're both by the Stones.

Exile has Rocks Off and Ventilator, Sticky has Sister Morphine and Brown Sugar ~ how can you compare them?

Just my 2 cents/pence worth...

Regards.

Ian.

Rolling Stones Tribute

Play Rolling Stones

Exile also works as a unified whole better than as a collection of songs, a la Sly's "Riot," Big Star's "Third," Lennon's "JL/POB" - even songs begun for earlier albums 'fit' perfectly on Exile (just as on Tattoo). And some of that 'audio encyclopedia' is represented by legends like Shirley Goodman (of "Let the Good Times Roll" Shirley & Lee), Dr John, Tammi Lynn, ex-Ikettes, & of course Stu. The difference between SF & Exile is nicely illustrated by the cover art - Warhol's big flashy SF w/ its in your face zipper & "The Amercans" auteur Robert Frank (text by another american icon, Kerouac)w/ his grainy b& w montage, more like photo-noir. Bonus: one time only Jagger-Richards-Taylor credit, in black typeface on classic Atlantic-era RS yellow label. Does anybody hear Stu on Hip Shake? I'm not sure I do, tho the boogie woogie on 'Rip This Joint' sounds like it could be Stu (tho easily may be Nicky as credited).

nice post john r....really like the part you wrote about "the difference between SF & Exile is nicely illustrated by the cover art, etc."....excellent writing!

Absolutely right!
And most of all: LET IT LOOSE!

Anyway I'm really impressed how the stones managed and are managing to do and have done such a variety of great songs in more than 40 years! I think this fact should really bring you to shut up, people who are always complaining bout anything!!!

I know, it's crazy.

as a whole sticky has all the bases covered, rock, blues, country, but i look at two songs off of each album that show that the stones not afraid to tackle anything...sweet black angel with its' revolutionary lyrics refering to angela davis and its' reggae calypso feel it is almost a contridiction within itself as the melody is drifting along and yet mick is singing of gun totting school marm's...then there is can't you hear me knocking this was mick coming out and saying that yeah we're drugging and entering the fast lane but the music with its bust opening riff, bobby keyes playing the best sax solo on any stones song, sorry brown sugar, and the closing solo...call it latin with the congas and taylors crisp playing this is the boys expanding their boundries like no other band has done before or since (the clash may've played with it)...emos is indeed a good album but this one song from it makes it great...the same with sticky...

Camper88, excellent post! We compare things to each other all day long.

Milo Yammbag Wrote:
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> For each great album that the band has made I
> think has it's own personality and that it is
> impossible to compare.
>
> Beggars: back to basics, acoustics and raw
>
> Bleed: refined sound (production wise), dark and
> powerful
>
> Fingers: a grab bag of power and gentleness
>
> Exile: raw, sonically dense, powerful
>
> Goats: if an album could smoked pot this one
> did
>
> IORR: The Glimmer Twins run the show, uneven
>
> Black and Blue: all over the place, who played
> what?
>
> Some Girls: Energy, not too smooth, fresh
> sounding
>
> Rescue: Light feeling, fun album
>
> Tattoo: Night & Day side 1 fresh, lively
> rockers, side 2 great mood
>
> Undercover: dense, trashy
>
> Dirty Work: Brash,angry
>
> Steel Wheels: an easy mood to this album
>
> Voodoo: back to basic "Stones sound" rocker
>
> Bridges: A mixed bag, some Keith solo stuff,
> Mick doing his best Beck imitation
> in terms of production (how many producers?),
> Biz Markie?, Micks last attempt (hopefully) at
> trying to incorporate "trends" into the band. He
> hit gold with Miss You but has missed the boat
> ever since
>
> Bang: Fresh, energy, raw, brash, smooth and a
> touch of tenderness. Flows well
>
> Milo, NYC
> Me and you are like all the rest


Excellent analysis, ten out of ten

with sssoul Wrote:
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> Bill Plummer is the guy who played upright bass on
> Exile.
> someone somewhere once put it like this:
> "on Beggars, LIB and SF, they've got that beast
> cornered;
> on Exile, they're living with it."
> to me, Beggars and LIB are equal to Exile, just as
> they are
> (and i wouldn't replace Country Honk for anything
> in the whole wide world).
>
> "Music, to me, is the joy, right?"
> - Keith
>
> - january 1973

Too true, Country Honk is great! After all these years it would be weird to listen to the Let It Bleed with Honky Tonk Women in place of that one. I'd like to see them do Country Honk instead of Honky Tonk Women in a few shows on this tour - it could be a great B-stage acoustic jam!

Everything up through GHS is brilliant. It's impossible to single out one album as their best. It is commonly believed that England's Newest Hitmakers is their best album.

"The wonder of Jimi Hendrix was that he could stand up at all he was so pumped full of drugs." Patsy, Patsy Stone

The Menace of Mayfair Wrote:
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> It is commonly believed that England's Newest
> Hitmakers is their best album.
>
>


common belief that a record of mostly covers is their best? i dont understand that one.. sounds like an "antiquated" opinion



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