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Rocky Dijon
I think it's something most people do when they admire an aspect of a person. It's why hagiography came to mean an unreliable account of a person's life where the writer is so enamored of the subject they whitewash everything to make them a good person. I've been guilty of it in the past as well.
The thing is, it's rare people are universally detested. Someone's kids and friends or spouse may say wonderful things about them. Former colleagues or lovers or people they crossed may say something quite different. It's true of celebrities as much as each of us.
Fan boards, by nature, will have much more extreme examples, such as making Keith the one with most of the talent and a good and upright man who follows his personal code of honor at all times while painting Mick as the greedy, trend-chasing, skirt-chasing front man who sold out. Both views are over-simplified and never true all of the time. People are more complex than being heroes and villains in a melodrama.
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Rocky Dijon
Thanks for the kind words above, Leonioid. We're all jerks to one another some of the time. There is still much that is worth reading and sharing here, happily. I could never run this place. I don't have the temperament for it. I'd get pissed off and close the whole thing down and then regret my decision two weeks later after hearing from one or two of the good folks here I consider genuine friends.
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Rocky Dijon
I think it's something most people do when they admire an aspect of a person. It's why hagiography came to mean an unreliable account of a person's life where the writer is so enamored of the subject they whitewash everything to make them a good person. I've been guilty of it in the past as well.
The thing is, it's rare people are universally detested. Someone's kids and friends or spouse may say wonderful things about them. Former colleagues or lovers or people they crossed may say something quite different. It's true of celebrities as much as each of us.
Fan boards, by nature, will have much more extreme examples, such as making Keith the one with most of the talent and a good and upright man who follows his personal code of honor at all times while painting Mick as the greedy, trend-chasing, skirt-chasing front man who sold out. Both views are over-simplified and never true all of the time. People are more complex than being heroes and villains in a melodrama.
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Leonioid
hagiography, I never heard that term before,
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dcba
Yeah that's my idea too. "If I ever hear you beat up your old lady I don't know you man". This is the Keith policy and it goes back to Brian Jones.
So, Keith doesn't know himself then? Or many of his musical heroes?
Don’t even bother His Majesty ,the keithettes have invented an alternate reality where Keith is a stand up guy that never punched Anita in the face in the back of a limo and never fell asleep with a loaded gun near an 8 year old or left plates of dangerous drugs near his kid.
The made up quote above is laughable,I mean I’m a huge Keith fan but I went into it knowing the guy was a friggin dirtbag.
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keithsman
Hey Rocky nice to have you back .
Well Rocky those examples you give of the two glimmers are not entirely inaccurate, even in Keith's most druggy period he still managed to be a moral man, he's not a sexual deviant and he's not obsessed with teenagers, i'd say he was about as moral as a junkie can be.
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dcba
The Stones are above that.
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EJM
What about Patti ?top model who gave it up for old fashioned keith, She has survived a really horrible cancer and has kept going through thick and thin and shirly - sculpter, artist , too horse breeder. Both pretty amazing women
If there is one person that could write a book about Keith, it's Jane Rose. All the rest is for own purpose !!!
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latchoIf there is one person that could write a book about Keith, it's Jane Rose. All the rest is for own purpose !!!
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keithsman
For a 100 thousand Dollars i would have punched him back, in fact i would have done it for free
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diverseharmonicsHA! I was just thinking that too!! Then I would sue him for my sore knuckles!!Quote
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For a 100 thousand Dollars i would have punched him back, in fact i would have done it for free
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Rocky Dijon
Set up in the sense that the journalist was given access because Depp trusted him to tell Depp's side of the story. That isn't the tone of the piece at all. He spends more space telling everyone what a reckless and debauched life Johnny is living and paints him as someone who is both out of touch and dangerously close to the edge. When a celebrity extends hospitality to a journalist he trusts, he doesn't expect to be rewarded in this fashion. Put yourself in his shoes. Additionally, if the journalist is correct and Johnny is one headline away from the obituary columns; it was both an unethical and irresponsible move to publish the piece and push him further into paranoia with another betrayal. This wasn't an intervention to save a friend's life. This was headline-grabbing. That's why many people felt it was below the belt.
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Rocky Dijon
Set up in the sense that the journalist was given access because Depp trusted him to tell Depp's side of the story. That isn't the tone of the piece at all. He spends more space telling everyone what a reckless and debauched life Johnny is living and paints him as someone who is both out of touch and dangerously close to the edge. When a celebrity extends hospitality to a journalist he trusts, he doesn't expect to be rewarded in this fashion. Put yourself in his shoes. Additionally, if the journalist is correct and Johnny is one headline away from the obituary columns; it was both an unethical and irresponsible move to publish the piece and push him further into paranoia with another betrayal. This wasn't an intervention to save a friend's life. This was headline-grabbing. That's why many people felt it was below the belt.
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RoughJusticeOnYa
Looking at all the pics of these Vampires (etc.), I can't help but thinkin': boy, these LA dudes look ridiculous... Never éver liked that 'scene' style over there.
On that Keef doco: I think Depp shelved it, for 'later'... when Keith (oh, the Blasphemy) won't be around anymore. (Although, each at their own rate, it def looks like Keith will outlive this one too.)
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Looking at all the pics of these Vampires (etc.), I can't help but thinkin': boy, these LA dudes look ridiculous... Never éver liked that 'scene' style over there.
On that Keef doco: I think Depp shelved it, for 'later'... when Keith (oh, the Blasphemy) won't be around anymore. (Although, each at their own rate, it def looks like Keith will outlive this one too.)
1.) Northern CA is VERY different than Southern CA
2.) I do not believe the Richards family would let this product or alleged film
merely sit somewhere only to be exposed or released on a whim.
I’ll go further. Surely, someone of Keith’s fame and stature and 56 years of a successful business built from ground up (the RS) will not let a film of perhaps an embarrassing quality/ perhaps on 2nd view is mortifying ‘sit in someone’s garage’.
3.) My earlier wish had been Mr. Richards attorney acquire said ‘garage film’
and bury it.
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keithsman
You will never see Depp's documentary on Keith because they fell out years ago, this is old news, we have has this discussion on here many times.
Keith's revenge on Johnny was Under The influence, who needs Johnny.
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Is there a reason or did anyone hear why or what caused their falling out?