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MWasilewski
Hi,
out of curiosity I compared the No Filter Pit prices for every country to its GDP, just to measure somehow how affordable are the tickets in subsequent countires.
I am aware that the GDP is not the ideal index for wealth of the country, but I don't know any better.
I normalized the outcome such that the ratio for France (the most favorable) equals to 1.
So, these are results:
Country Ratio
UK 1.45
Germany 2.44
France 1
Poland 4.82
As you can see, the statistical Pole has to work almost 5 times harder than the statistical Frenchman to afford the ticket in his/her country. I predict then (but you have more experience, so please share your insights), that the Poland Pit sales will be the smallest one.
Do you think that it means that the Lucky Dips in Poland will have the greatest probability to be the No Filet Pit?
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sarahunwin
I just want one pit ticket in London! And not the VIP package. It is just wrong that they hold them back and put them in those f---ing packages. So stressful
If the 2017 tour is anything to go by they will drop pit tickets at face down the road. I'm pretty sure it happened for each show, even those like Paris where pit tickets were never offered at face previously (except by accident for one of the shows and they canceled the sales!).
I'm planning on getting a GC, which was really quite good with the 2017 setup (heck even GA was not bad if you went to the side) and sitting it out. If LD was guaranteed to be Pit or GA like it was in Paris I'd probably go for that actually.
GA off to the side in Paris was excellent at the UARENA. I was there for Shows 1 & 2 and it really wasn't all that far from the stage. It was actually closer to the stage than the end of the ramp. I highly recommend. I passed on this advice to other fans I know, they all did it and agreed. How good it is depends on the size of the Golden Circle/Gold Standing behind the Pit.
On the contrary, Fosse (GA) at the Stade de France in 2014 was a very long way from the stage, but Fosse Or fine. It all depends on the venue and where they choose to put up the rails.
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MWasilewski
Hi,
out of curiosity I compared the No Filter Pit prices for every country to its GDP, just to measure somehow how affordable are the tickets in subsequent countires.
I am aware that the GDP is not the ideal index for wealth of the country, but I don't know any better.
I normalized the outcome such that the ratio for France (the most favorable) equals to 1.
So, these are results:
Country Ratio
UK 1.45
Germany 2.44
France 1
Poland 4.82
As you can see, the statistical Pole has to work almost 5 times harder than the statistical Frenchman to afford the ticket in his/her country. I predict then (but you have more experience, so please share your insights), that the Poland Pit sales will be the smallest one.
Do you think that it means that the Lucky Dips in Poland will have the greatest probability to be the No Filet Pit?
Very interesting analysis! I like that sort of thing. You could well be right, but the one thing that messes it up is the number of tourist fans who are likely to visit and it being the last night of the tour. I would have Lucky Dipped this show and I'm planning to Lucky Dip most others but I know from friends that the upper levels at the Narodowy have terrible sound so I'm making an exception for this show and going with Gold Standing. I still think a lot of Lucky Dippers will end up in the pit in Warsaw.
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MWasilewski
Hi,
out of curiosity I compared the No Filter Pit prices for every country to its GDP, just to measure somehow how affordable are the tickets in subsequent countires.
I am aware that the GDP is not the ideal index for wealth of the country, but I don't know any better.
I normalized the outcome such that the ratio for France (the most favorable) equals to 1.
So, these are results:
Country Ratio
UK 1.45
Germany 2.44
France 1
Poland 4.82
As you can see, the statistical Pole has to work almost 5 times harder than the statistical Frenchman to afford the ticket in his/her country. I predict then (but you have more experience, so please share your insights), that the Poland Pit sales will be the smallest one.
Do you think that it means that the Lucky Dips in Poland will have the greatest probability to be the No Filet Pit?
Very interesting analysis! I like that sort of thing. You could well be right, but the one thing that messes it up is the number of tourist fans who are likely to visit and it being the last night of the tour. I would have Lucky Dipped this show and I'm planning to Lucky Dip most others but I know from friends that the upper levels at the Narodowy have terrible sound so I'm making an exception for this show and going with Gold Standing. I still think a lot of Lucky Dippers will end up in the pit in Warsaw.
One critical comment: the GDP in Poland is -on average- not so high. BUT: in Poland the variance in buying power is huge. The GDP of the Warsaw citizens is comparable to most other EU countries like France or Belgium. But a lot of people living in the outbacks and rural areas of Poland don't have a lot of money to spend. This spread in variance is much bigger in Poland than in France for instance. So my point: PIT tickets will probably be bought mostly by the relatively rich habitants of Warschau (and environment). They are able to pay the huge ticket prices. I think that PIT tickets will be sold out relatively quickly for this reason.
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sarahunwin
I just want one pit ticket in London! And not the VIP package. It is just wrong that they hold them back and put them in those f---ing packages. So stressful
If the 2017 tour is anything to go by they will drop pit tickets at face down the road. I'm pretty sure it happened for each show, even those like Paris where pit tickets were never offered at face previously (except by accident for one of the shows and they canceled the sales!).
I'm planning on getting a GC, which was really quite good with the 2017 setup (heck even GA was not bad if you went to the side) and sitting it out. If LD was guaranteed to be Pit or GA like it was in Paris I'd probably go for that actually.
GA off to the side in Paris was excellent at the UARENA. I was there for Shows 1 & 2 and it really wasn't all that far from the stage. It was actually closer to the stage than the end of the ramp. I highly recommend. I passed on this advice to other fans I know, they all did it and agreed. How good it is depends on the size of the Golden Circle/Gold Standing behind the Pit.
On the contrary, Fosse (GA) at the Stade de France in 2014 was a very long way from the stage, but Fosse Or fine. It all depends on the venue and where they choose to put up the rails.
Yeah your tip to shoot for the sides was a great one and I made good use of it for Paris II when my LD turned up a GA...Was the UArena setup unique or did similarly configured NF2017 shows (so not Hamburg for instance) also have a great view from the sides ? That could tell us what NF2018 will look like.
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strat72
You would have to be a fool to pay that sort of money for a two hour concert, even, if like me you can afford it.
Don't be a mug and allow yourself to be taken the piss out of by these avaricious old goats. I love The Stones, but their greed really is something else.
I see the usual scam of pit tickets going on sale at secondary ticket sites before they were on sale anywhere else is alive and well.
The whole thing stinks.......
Sorry, but take your whingeing to the complaints thread and stop preaching to others about how they should spend their money. Yes it is expensive. The Stones have always been expensive. Get over it. If they've gone past your threshold, that's fine, but don't call me a mug for deciding whether two hours in the pit of a Rolling Stones show is worth it or not. To me it most definitely is and, as far as I'm concerned, anyone choosing to spend £450 on anything OTHER than a pit ticket (excluding basic food and shelter needs) - is a fool and/or a joyless cynic.
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You would have to be a fool to pay that sort of money for a two hour concert, even, if like me you can afford it.
Don't be a mug and allow yourself to be taken the piss out of by these avaricious old goats. I love The Stones, but their greed really is something else.
I see the usual scam of pit tickets going on sale at secondary ticket sites before they were on sale anywhere else is alive and well.
The whole thing stinks.......
Sorry, but take your whingeing to the complaints thread and stop preaching to others about how they should spend their money. Yes it is expensive. The Stones have always been expensive. Get over it. If they've gone past your threshold, that's fine, but don't call me a mug for deciding whether two hours in the pit of a Rolling Stones show is worth it or not. To me it most definitely is and, as far as I'm concerned, anyone choosing to spend £450 on anything OTHER than a pit ticket (excluding basic food and shelter needs) - is a fool and/or a joyless cynic.
syrel
I went to watch The Stones during their Voodoo Lounge tour for £25.... I was right at the front. This was before all this pit ticket bullshit started. So you are wrong to say they were always expensive rip off merchants..... They weren't!
Your just the sort of person that these greedy artists/promoters/ticket agents rely upon. You are free to spend your money as you see fit, and I hope you have a good time. I really do.... However, I am also free to express my belief that you are a mug for paying those prices.
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MWasilewski
Hi,
out of curiosity I compared the No Filter Pit prices for every country to its GDP, just to measure somehow how affordable are the tickets in subsequent countires.
I am aware that the GDP is not the ideal index for wealth of the country, but I don't know any better.
I normalized the outcome such that the ratio for France (the most favorable) equals to 1.
So, these are results:
Country Ratio
UK 1.45
Germany 2.44
France 1
Poland 4.82
As you can see, the statistical Pole has to work almost 5 times harder than the statistical Frenchman to afford the ticket in his/her country. I predict then (but you have more experience, so please share your insights), that the Poland Pit sales will be the smallest one.
Do you think that it means that the Lucky Dips in Poland will have the greatest probability to be the No Filet Pit?
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MWasilewski
Hi,
out of curiosity I compared the No Filter Pit prices for every country to its GDP, just to measure somehow how affordable are the tickets in subsequent countires.
I am aware that the GDP is not the ideal index for wealth of the country, but I don't know any better.
I normalized the outcome such that the ratio for France (the most favorable) equals to 1.
So, these are results:
Country Ratio
UK 1.45
Germany 2.44
France 1
Poland 4.82
As you can see, the statistical Pole has to work almost 5 times harder than the statistical Frenchman to afford the ticket in his/her country. I predict then (but you have more experience, so please share your insights), that the Poland Pit sales will be the smallest one.
Do you think that it means that the Lucky Dips in Poland will have the greatest probability to be the No Filet Pit?
As the polish official states, the Warsaw gig is sold out, so my fancy analysis was totally wrong. Too bad, because I hoped that bad sales of the No filter pit tickets will somehow increase probability of the good spot on my lucky dip tickets. I wonder if better seats are at least more probable than these nosebleed ones. On the other hand I hadn't got enough money to buy anything more expensive, so I have to take what is given, I suppose.
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jackflash27
One critical comment: the GDP in Poland is -on average- not so high. BUT: in Poland the variance in buying power is huge. The GDP of the Warsaw citizens is comparable to most other EU countries like France or Belgium. But a lot of people living in the outbacks and rural areas of Poland don't have a lot of money to spend. This spread in variance is much bigger in Poland than in France for instance. So my point: PIT tickets will probably be bought mostly by the relatively rich habitants of Warschau (and environment). They are able to pay the huge ticket prices. I think that PIT tickets will be sold out relatively quickly for this reason.
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drbryant
Every year its different. I’ve generally found Sweden, a very wealthy country to be an easy place to get good tickets for shows. Paris was fairly easy as well. Not sure why. There are still quite a few pit tickets unsold in hotel packages and VIP packages. I would be on the lookout for ticket drops. Good luck everyone.
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drbryant
Every year its different. I’ve generally found Sweden, a very wealthy country to be an easy place to get good tickets for shows. Paris was fairly easy as well. Not sure why. There are still quite a few pit tickets unsold in hotel packages and VIP packages. I would be on the lookout for ticket drops. Good luck everyone.
Warsaw, officially at least, (ha bloody ha) is sold out of both tickets and VIP packages.
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MWasilewski
Do you think that it means that the Lucky Dips in Poland will have the greatest probability to be the No Filet Pit?
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Topi
LQ, the Dublin price range is known. €70.45 - €456.00
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slewan
what really comes as a surprise is that the pit tickets for the shows in Germany sold out so quickly. Last year there were a lot of pit tickets still available a few days before the show. The price was the same, i.e. 799 Euros
In fact I believe they're holding back a lot of pit tickets to create the impression that they are sold out
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hockenheim95
The tickets that were not sold were given to the Lucky Dip people.
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Topi
LQ, the Dublin price range is known. €70.45 - €456.00
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drbryant
Every year its different. I’ve generally found Sweden, a very wealthy country to be an easy place to get good tickets for shows. Paris was fairly easy as well. Not sure why. There are still quite a few pit tickets unsold in hotel packages and VIP packages. I would be on the lookout for ticket drops. Good luck everyone.
Warsaw, officially at least, (ha bloody ha) is sold out of both tickets and VIP packages.
The travel packages for Warsaw are still available, and they may have allocated more tickets there given the unfamiliarity of many foreign travelers with Warsaw. Anyway, most of the time good tickets eventually show up at face price but there are exceptions. San Diego in 2014 and the second London show in 2012 were in very high demand. People who went to the venue hoping to snag a ticket were left listening from outside. That’s rare, though.
There are still pit tickets with hotel packages (starting at £799) at Www.eventtravel.com.
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Every year its different. I’ve generally found Sweden, a very wealthy country to be an easy place to get good tickets for shows. Paris was fairly easy as well. Not sure why. There are still quite a few pit tickets unsold in hotel packages and VIP packages. I would be on the lookout for ticket drops. Good luck everyone.
Warsaw, officially at least, (ha bloody ha) is sold out of both tickets and VIP packages.
The travel packages for Warsaw are still available, and they may have allocated more tickets there given the unfamiliarity of many foreign travelers with Warsaw. Anyway, most of the time good tickets eventually show up at face price but there are exceptions. San Diego in 2014 and the second London show in 2012 were in very high demand. People who went to the venue hoping to snag a ticket were left listening from outside. That’s rare, though.
There are still pit tickets with hotel packages (starting at £799) at Www.eventtravel.com.
Pit tickets for this show are £400 so someone would have to be pretty lazy or stupid to pay an extra £400 because they are unfamiliar with the city and can't be bothered to search the internet for a hotel.
Why would anyone want to pay £400 to a company to find them a £50 hotel room.
Wait for other regular price pit tickets to become available.
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Topi
LQ, the Dublin price range is known. €70.45 - €456.00
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Meise
There were times when those people got front of stage, who were at the venue early enough to be among the first that could get in - counting for Europe, btw.
That ended when FOS was introduced, which was slightly more expensive than normal standing tickets. That went on until last year when the "American model" was introduced: the more you pay the closer you get to the stage. Is this still the deal for real fans? Are those the real fans, which can afford being the most wealthy?
It's truly sad that most if us play this game, paying several hundreds of Euros to sit and watch them play. It's insane.
I've been a fan since about 35 years, and I do admire the Stones. I've seen them at each tour since 1990. But enough is enough. If it's only about emptying our pockets to unseen and unfelt heights, I must admit that I rather step back this time, avoiding to attend any show in 2018. Even if there are LDT, I don't want to end up some hundred meters away from the stage looking at the screen more than watching the band play.