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Clapton probably can do without those people anyway.. and feel at ease.
Yep. Nothing's funnier for a performer than to play to empty seats.
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Pretty cynical talk here. I don’t think we are talking about many people. The vast majority can differenciate between music and personal political opinions.
Actually its quite a few. In past years I would be there along with a couple other tapers and a whole group of friends. Not a single one of us went. There is a difference between political views and actually funding such causes. Personally I am not giving him my money to support political causes I abhor. No he doesn't need my money but I don't need to support him either. I would rather go see artists I like that have more progressive views.
OMG, you're still on about this? Jesus Christ, give it up. So Clapton and some others felt it was important not to be a slave to the overreaction to the media hype on covid, and promote going out, living your life normally, no masks, no lockdowns -- which btw, in the end, he was right! Masks are useless and lockdowns didn't really prevent much, in the end everyone got it anyway.
I'm sure he's that concerned that you weren't there taping his show! "This guy that spends his life going around to shows and taping them, might no longer attend my shows -- oh no!!" LOL. You're no doubt taping shows of bands that promote drug use, have sex w/ underage girls, drink themselves 1/2 to death, etc. The Stones alone, heroine addicts, alcoholics, dating 13-year olds, etc.
But at least you have your morals, you get credit for that!
Lol. Just explaining why I am not going and NONE of my friends who always went are going. That you are offended by my decision means I am doing it right. You are actually too ignorant to understand my point, but whatever. BTW who is a heroine addict? [www.google.com]. Not sure anyone on here is addicted to Sasha or Lisa.
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Clapton probably can do without those people anyway.. and feel at ease.
Yep. Nothing's funnier for a performer than to play to empty seats.
- Doxa
Pretty cynical talk here. I don’t think we are talking about many people. The vast majority can differenciate between music and personal political opinions.
Actually its quite a few. In past years I would be there along with a couple other tapers and a whole group of friends. Not a single one of us went. There is a difference between political views and actually funding such causes. Personally I am not giving him my money to support political causes I abhor. No he doesn't need my money but I don't need to support him either. I would rather go see artists I like that have more progressive views.
OMG, you're still on about this? Jesus Christ, give it up. So Clapton and some others felt it was important not to be a slave to the overreaction to the media hype on covid, and promote going out, living your life normally, no masks, no lockdowns -- which btw, in the end, he was right! Masks are useless and lockdowns didn't really prevent much, in the end everyone got it anyway.
I'm sure he's that concerned that you weren't there taping his show! "This guy that spends his life going around to shows and taping them, might no longer attend my shows -- oh no!!" LOL. You're no doubt taping shows of bands that promote drug use, have sex w/ underage girls, drink themselves 1/2 to death, etc. The Stones alone, heroine addicts, alcoholics, dating 13-year olds, etc.
But at least you have your morals, you get credit for that!
Having own views is totally fine and okay but Clapton was at a point where he catched up on fake news from Telegram guys (like take Vitamin D supplements and go into the sun, then Covid can't do you harm) and spread shit like comparing masks to slavery and so on.
Again, he's following bands that had heroine addicts -- there was tons of news out there, some fell victim to fake news perhaps. There's no obvious way to know the fake from the real anyway, was it really that bad that some fell for it, if they were fake? There's also fake news out there that G Bush was behind 9-11, but still, I know some that believe it religiously. I know its fake, they don't.
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Clapton probably can do without those people anyway.. and feel at ease.
Yep. Nothing's funnier for a performer than to play to empty seats.
- Doxa
Pretty cynical talk here. I don’t think we are talking about many people. The vast majority can differenciate between music and personal political opinions.
Actually its quite a few. In past years I would be there along with a couple other tapers and a whole group of friends. Not a single one of us went. There is a difference between political views and actually funding such causes. Personally I am not giving him my money to support political causes I abhor. No he doesn't need my money but I don't need to support him either. I would rather go see artists I like that have more progressive views.
OMG, you're still on about this? Jesus Christ, give it up. So Clapton and some others felt it was important not to be a slave to the overreaction to the media hype on covid, and promote going out, living your life normally, no masks, no lockdowns -- which btw, in the end, he was right! Masks are useless and lockdowns didn't really prevent much, in the end everyone got it anyway.
I'm sure he's that concerned that you weren't there taping his show! "This guy that spends his life going around to shows and taping them, might no longer attend my shows -- oh no!!" LOL. You're no doubt taping shows of bands that promote drug use, have sex w/ underage girls, drink themselves 1/2 to death, etc. The Stones alone, heroine addicts, alcoholics, dating 13-year olds, etc.
But at least you have your morals, you get credit for that!
Lol. Just explaining why I am not going and NONE of my friends who always went are going. That you are offended by my decision means I am doing it right. You are actually too ignorant to understand my point, but whatever. BTW who is a heroine addict? [www.google.com]. Not sure anyone on here is addicted to Sasha or Lisa.
LOL, I'm not offended, I am amazed and amused by it ... you're so over-the-top with your covid judgmental opinions/requirements that you let your affect the rest of your life. Good luck w/ that!
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OMG, you're still on about this? Jesus Christ, give it up. So Clapton and some others felt it was important not to be a slave to the overreaction to the media hype on covid, and promote going out, living your life normally, no masks, no lockdowns -- which btw, in the end, he was right! Masks are useless and lockdowns didn't really prevent much, in the end everyone got it anyway.
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OMG, you're still on about this? Jesus Christ, give it up. So Clapton and some others felt it was important not to be a slave to the overreaction to the media hype on covid, and promote going out, living your life normally, no masks, no lockdowns -- which btw, in the end, he was right! Masks are useless and lockdowns didn't really prevent much, in the end everyone got it anyway.
Masks are useful and effective. Without lockdowns in the realms where they were needed, the damages would have been far worse. It’s too soon to conclude that in the end everyone will get covid.
I am a big fan of Eric Clapton. I have seen him live across 7 countries, more than 100 times over 48 years.
That being said, his anti-lockdown and vaccine-skeptic bias (it’s beyond “attitude”) drawn from his anecdotal evidence as well as being misled by a conspiracy theorist is simply harmful.
I still go see his show. As a longtime fan of Clapton the musician, I want to watch his musical activities till the end of his career.
Whether I support his views and attitudes outside music is another matter, though.
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Masks are useful and effective...
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... Without lockdowns in the realms where they were needed, the damages would have been far worse...
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Masks are useful and effective...
No, they are not. THEY AREN'T PERFECT, BUT HELP STOP THE SPREADThe damage was pretty immense because of lockdowns, of which it may take many years to recover.Quote
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... Without lockdowns in the realms where they were needed, the damages would have been far worse...
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The world is complex. Masks and the lockdowns did limit the spread of infection. The lockdowns also hurt the global economy. Of course, a full-blown plague would also hurt the global economy. The vaccines saved lives. The vaccines also had side effects for some and maybe everyone eventually. Life is choices. When you have two outcomes with negative results, you try your best to choose the lesser.
Talented authors, musicians, poets, film-makers whose work touches the hearts of millions are also flawed people who make bad decisions. They're sometimes predatory, abusive, racist, fascist, etc. It doesn't take away their talent or why their work crossed lines and reached people they could never, as flawed individuals, impact. That's true of Clapton, The Stones, Roger Waters, Pete Townshend, Woody Allen, and on and on.
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Masks are useful and effective...
No, they are not.
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... Without lockdowns in the realms where they were needed, the damages would have been far worse...
The damage was pretty immense because of lockdowns, of which it may take many years to recover.
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This website’s organizer bv is an ardent supporter of face masks. In one of his posts, he states, “I wear a mask at all risk places like hotels, public transportation, breakfast areas, elevators, airports, trains, any places where I am in close contact with many people for more than just a few seconds.” If face masks are not effective, how could he manage to cut his way through his three months’ trip of America and two months’ trip of Europe under the pandemic, following the Stones, moving from one place to another on the planes and trains, rubbing shoulders in the pit crowd, while some people (i.e. non-maskers) reported their covid infection after attending just one or two shows or a pre-show event?
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The world is complex. Masks and the lockdowns did limit the spread of infection. The lockdowns also hurt the global economy. Of course, a full-blown plague would also hurt the global economy. The vaccines saved lives. The vaccines also had side effects for some and maybe everyone eventually. Life is choices. When you have two outcomes with negative results, you try your best to choose the lesser.
Talented authors, musicians, poets, film-makers whose work touches the hearts of millions are also flawed people who make bad decisions. They're sometimes predatory, abusive, racist, fascist, etc. It doesn't take away their talent or why their work crossed lines and reached people they could never, as flawed individuals, impact. That's true of Clapton, The Stones, Roger Waters, Pete Townshend, Woody Allen, and on and on.
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No, they are not.
This website’s organizer bv is an ardent supporter of face masks. In one of his posts, he states, “I wear a mask at all risk places like hotels, public transportation, breakfast areas, elevators, airports, trains, any places where I am in close contact with many people for more than just a few seconds.” If face masks are not effective, how could he manage to cut his way through his three months’ trip of America and two months’ trip of Europe under the pandemic, following the Stones, moving from one place to another on the planes and trains, rubbing shoulders in the pit crowd, while some people (i.e. non-maskers) reported their covid infection after attending just one or two shows or a pre-show event?Quote
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... Without lockdowns in the realms where they were needed, the damages would have been far worse...
The damage was pretty immense because of lockdowns, of which it may take many years to recover.
The multitudes of people whose health severely impaired, not a few of them having to live with long covid, some dying, as the outcome of not choosing lockdowns at the crucial point, would have resulted in a far, far more disastrous damage to the society, not only economically but also in life in general.
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This website’s organizer bv is an ardent supporter of face masks. In one of his posts, he states, “I wear a mask at all risk places like hotels, public transportation, breakfast areas, elevators, airports, trains, any places where I am in close contact with many people for more than just a few seconds.” If face masks are not effective, how could he manage to cut his way through his three months’ trip of America and two months’ trip of Europe under the pandemic, following the Stones, moving from one place to another on the planes and trains, rubbing shoulders in the pit crowd, while some people (i.e. non-maskers) reported their covid infection after attending just one or two shows or a pre-show event?Quote
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... Without lockdowns in the realms where they were needed, the damages would have been far worse...
The damage was pretty immense because of lockdowns, of which it may take many years to recover.
The multitudes of people whose health severely impaired, not a few of them having to live with long covid, some dying, as the outcome of not choosing lockdowns at the crucial point, would have resulted in a far, far more disastrous damage to the society, not only economically but also in life in general.
Totally disagree, sorry. I know people that have been affected to such a great degree by the paranoia that they will never recover. A co-working, 30 years of age, is so paranoid that he's been out of his house "3 TIMES", he told me recently -- and all 3 were to go to his girlfriend's parents house where they sat outside, 10 feet apart, wearing masks. He doesn't go out to shop, he has it all delivered. He gets his mail with gloves, and puts it in a "covid room" for 24 hours, then brushes it down with something (can't remember what), before he even opens it. He even told me recently he got some add-on to his home AC Unit that supposedly kills the covid virus, for $900, and has to change the filter once/month at whatever cost that is.
We had a colleague marry recently, she tried to get him to go to the wedding. "Is it outdoors?" No. "Are masks required?" No. He refused to go. We had a blast without him.
Is this worth it? And, yes, he's obviously very extreme but there's many others out there similar, I know a few others, not quite as bad ... and see evidence of similar on this postboard. Anyway, he's now wasted 3 years of his life, in my opinion. Oh, btw, he was planning to marry before the pandemic hit, we were all to be invited ... he put it off for a year, then after he decided it wasn't going away, they have cancelled it indefinitely!!
He was obsessed w cruises. He was going on 2 or 3 a year. He hasn't been on one since!
Economics is a HUGE part of what lockdowns caused, but some people also are going to take years to recover.
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ok people it's been 3 f-cking years your not gonna convince anybody at this point to take your view on masks and lockdowns one way or another
we've all heard everybody's talking points over and over again
everybody's mind is made up there not budging
can we just talk about the stones and clapton before bv shuts this thread down