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Re: This Is The Point...imo..
Posted by: ycagwywpmd ()
Date: November 26, 2017 22:52

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WOW!!! .. So you grow pot for pensioners ??...

Yeah just had to finance that trip somehow.......

And no regrets.........

Re: This Is The Point...imo..
Posted by: ycagwywpmd ()
Date: November 26, 2017 22:58

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.... You can make it if you try ....

You’re giving me that glimmer of hope... *kiss kiss Rockman, thanks-

Just build on that glimmer of hope
I think it took longer to arrange the childcare for my last trip than to arrange the trip itself, but we did it, it happened.

And no regrets

Re: This Is The Point...imo..
Posted by: georgie48 ()
Date: November 27, 2017 10:21

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Traveling to see a Stones show is usually always a good thing if you take the time to explore and enjoy the destination you're traveling to. Even if the Stones play bad, or worst case scenario cancel/postpone, you're still gaining an experience. If the Stones play great, then it's really icing on the cake. As for me, I haven't traveled specifically to see the Stones since *2002/03. Took a few trains, planes and automobiles around the US to see a bunch of shows, then in the summer of '03, plotted my European itinirary to be sure to be in the same place as the Stones were for quite a few more shows. The entire tour was the experience of a lifetime - partially because of the many new places I explored. That said, I no longer feel the urge or need to travel afar specifically with a Stones show in mind.


*In 2006 already had plans to be in the Netherlands with my wife, so took a two day detour to make it down to Nijmegen to see the Stones.
*In 2013, made the six hour drive to Vegas for the 50 and Counting/Mick Taylor show - but don't really consider that "traveling" per se.
*Last years *Vegas show was spur of the moment as my wife and I were there celebrating her birthday - bought heavily discounted tix day of show.

That's the way to do it! Well, at least if you can afford it financially. We could have met in Nijmegen 2006 ... what a shame that Van Morrison was literally washed of the stage. But the Stones were lucky and appreciative to have missed the rain by the minute. Great event!
Indeed, combining Stones concerts withwinking smiley fans exploring countries is a real challenge. In 2014 we went to Australia twice to miss "Hanging Rock" ... twice sad smiley but got a great holiday in Down Under and again in New Caledonia. So no tears (apart from Mick's sad loss, off course). That same year in February I celebrated my 50th Anniversary as a Stones fan in Abu Dhabi and also saw the band in Sweden on my birthday, after first seeing them at Pink Pop. All in all a great adventurous year beyond imagination.
Maybe see you in the U.K. next year!

Slim chance Georgie, but also a possibility - you never know!
My wife - who was born and raided in England- has been bugging the crap out of me to go back and visit her parents (my in-laws). It's been a few years since we've been back, so it's just a matter of time. Also, I lived in Guildford just outside of London for a semester of university back in '87, and still have many friends there who I always love to visit. Could this summer be the one when we go back? Hmmmm...maybe, and if so might make an effort to plan it around a Stones show somehow...maybe.

Yes we might have bumped into each other at the Nijmegen show! I have fond memories of the nasty storm and hunkering down under a makeshift tarp with my wife and several others during Van's set (what little he played, it was thoroughly enjoyable). And then the clouds miraculously parted ways just in time for the Stones! smileys with beer

Pardon if I'm mistaken, but I think it was you who was also at the London Astoria show in '03? If so, we might have met there also. And the Mick Taylor show at the 100 club during the same week? No doubt we bumped into each other in that tiny club. And the Glasgow shows at SECC arena? Those were both fantastic shows at such a unique venue - the last two shows I saw during the Licks tour!

Yes, I was in Astoria '03 as well as Mick Taylor's concert in the 100 Club. Small world (sometimes winking smiley ). Didn't go to Glasgow, but saw all three shows in Munich as well as Paris that year. Also all concerts in The Netherlands and travelled to China to miss the Beijing concert (because of the SARS problems there). You can't win them allgrinning smiley
I'm sure your wife will understand deeply that "the grand final" is getting closer and closer, so ... you'll make it to the UK smileys with beer

OK great it was you - we had a mini conversation about our shared shows awhile back! I didn't go to Munich or Paris as I didn't arrive in Europe until July 17 - specifically Stockholm on my 40th birthday. I saw all the shows there, all the shows in the Netherlands, and all the shows in the UK up until the Glasgow at the beginning of September. After the Stockholm shows, I skipped Hannover, Prague, and Hamburg, and spent the time wandering around Scandinavia discovering my viking roots, then it was down to the Netherlands to reunite with the Stones (and further explore my Dutch roots). Have to say Vredenburg was my absolute favorite of all of those, and has become nearly equally legendary in my mind to the first time I ever saw the Stones back in '81. I remember one of the Amsterdam Arena shows being postponed until September, but have to say it almost was a welcome surprise and a relief - was able to get a refund and catch my breath between so many other Stones shows during that stretch. I believe that was the only time I've experienced a Stones show postponement/cancellation, so feel pretty lucky about that considering I've seen them over 50 times. The entire journey was about discovering new places or revisiting cities I had been to before and thoroughly researching/exploring my roots (Dutch, English, Scottish), while at the same time squeezing a bunch of Stones show in to the intinerary!

My wife is not the diehard most of us here are, and is more intent on seeing her family and friends than the Stones. Not sure mentioning "grand finale" would mean anything to here except for maybe it's about time! winking smiley

I should tell you about Nijmegen 2006. The "speaker" said (in Dutch) that they had a direct line with the KNMI weather station in de Bilt (near Utrecht). Over there they were closely monitoring the weather radar and apparently were able to tell as accurate as within a minute when the rain would stop! Don't ever tell this to Van Morrison thoughgrinning smiley
The postponement of Amsterdam 2003 was a "dark story". A Dutch TV company had a contract for recording a couple of songs, but apparently broke the rules by making a sneaky "sub contract" with a Swedish TV company and as such cheated on the Stones. Bad luck, because Mick blew his voice ... spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
If you need to know anything about Dutch roots, don't hesitate to ask. Besides, Internet these days is amazing in terms of what you can find out.
Maybe it's interesting to mention the possible Brexit happening to your wife. Next year will still be okay to move around Europe (including Britain). After that ????

Re: This Is The Point...imo..
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: November 27, 2017 21:42

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Traveling to see a Stones show is usually always a good thing if you take the time to explore and enjoy the destination you're traveling to. Even if the Stones play bad, or worst case scenario cancel/postpone, you're still gaining an experience. If the Stones play great, then it's really icing on the cake. As for me, I haven't traveled specifically to see the Stones since *2002/03. Took a few trains, planes and automobiles around the US to see a bunch of shows, then in the summer of '03, plotted my European itinirary to be sure to be in the same place as the Stones were for quite a few more shows. The entire tour was the experience of a lifetime - partially because of the many new places I explored. That said, I no longer feel the urge or need to travel afar specifically with a Stones show in mind.


*In 2006 already had plans to be in the Netherlands with my wife, so took a two day detour to make it down to Nijmegen to see the Stones.
*In 2013, made the six hour drive to Vegas for the 50 and Counting/Mick Taylor show - but don't really consider that "traveling" per se.
*Last years *Vegas show was spur of the moment as my wife and I were there celebrating her birthday - bought heavily discounted tix day of show.

That's the way to do it! Well, at least if you can afford it financially. We could have met in Nijmegen 2006 ... what a shame that Van Morrison was literally washed of the stage. But the Stones were lucky and appreciative to have missed the rain by the minute. Great event!
Indeed, combining Stones concerts withwinking smiley fans exploring countries is a real challenge. In 2014 we went to Australia twice to miss "Hanging Rock" ... twice sad smiley but got a great holiday in Down Under and again in New Caledonia. So no tears (apart from Mick's sad loss, off course). That same year in February I celebrated my 50th Anniversary as a Stones fan in Abu Dhabi and also saw the band in Sweden on my birthday, after first seeing them at Pink Pop. All in all a great adventurous year beyond imagination.
Maybe see you in the U.K. next year!

Slim chance Georgie, but also a possibility - you never know!
My wife - who was born and raided in England- has been bugging the crap out of me to go back and visit her parents (my in-laws). It's been a few years since we've been back, so it's just a matter of time. Also, I lived in Guildford just outside of London for a semester of university back in '87, and still have many friends there who I always love to visit. Could this summer be the one when we go back? Hmmmm...maybe, and if so might make an effort to plan it around a Stones show somehow...maybe.

Yes we might have bumped into each other at the Nijmegen show! I have fond memories of the nasty storm and hunkering down under a makeshift tarp with my wife and several others during Van's set (what little he played, it was thoroughly enjoyable). And then the clouds miraculously parted ways just in time for the Stones! smileys with beer

Pardon if I'm mistaken, but I think it was you who was also at the London Astoria show in '03? If so, we might have met there also. And the Mick Taylor show at the 100 club during the same week? No doubt we bumped into each other in that tiny club. And the Glasgow shows at SECC arena? Those were both fantastic shows at such a unique venue - the last two shows I saw during the Licks tour!

Yes, I was in Astoria '03 as well as Mick Taylor's concert in the 100 Club. Small world (sometimes winking smiley ). Didn't go to Glasgow, but saw all three shows in Munich as well as Paris that year. Also all concerts in The Netherlands and travelled to China to miss the Beijing concert (because of the SARS problems there). You can't win them allgrinning smiley
I'm sure your wife will understand deeply that "the grand final" is getting closer and closer, so ... you'll make it to the UK smileys with beer

OK great it was you - we had a mini conversation about our shared shows awhile back! I didn't go to Munich or Paris as I didn't arrive in Europe until July 17 - specifically Stockholm on my 40th birthday. I saw all the shows there, all the shows in the Netherlands, and all the shows in the UK up until the Glasgow at the beginning of September. After the Stockholm shows, I skipped Hannover, Prague, and Hamburg, and spent the time wandering around Scandinavia discovering my viking roots, then it was down to the Netherlands to reunite with the Stones (and further explore my Dutch roots). Have to say Vredenburg was my absolute favorite of all of those, and has become nearly equally legendary in my mind to the first time I ever saw the Stones back in '81. I remember one of the Amsterdam Arena shows being postponed until September, but have to say it almost was a welcome surprise and a relief - was able to get a refund and catch my breath between so many other Stones shows during that stretch. I believe that was the only time I've experienced a Stones show postponement/cancellation, so feel pretty lucky about that considering I've seen them over 50 times. The entire journey was about discovering new places or revisiting cities I had been to before and thoroughly researching/exploring my roots (Dutch, English, Scottish), while at the same time squeezing a bunch of Stones show in to the intinerary!

My wife is not the diehard most of us here are, and is more intent on seeing her family and friends than the Stones. Not sure mentioning "grand finale" would mean anything to here except for maybe it's about time! winking smiley

I should tell you about Nijmegen 2006. The "speaker" said (in Dutch) that they had a direct line with the KNMI weather station in de Bilt (near Utrecht). Over there they were closely monitoring the weather radar and apparently were able to tell as accurate as within a minute when the rain would stop! Don't ever tell this to Van Morrison thoughgrinning smiley
The postponement of Amsterdam 2003 was a "dark story". A Dutch TV company had a contract for recording a couple of songs, but apparently broke the rules by making a sneaky "sub contract" with a Swedish TV company and as such cheated on the Stones. Bad luck, because Mick blew his voice ... spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
If you need to know anything about Dutch roots, don't hesitate to ask. Besides, Internet these days is amazing in terms of what you can find out.
Maybe it's interesting to mention the possible Brexit happening to your wife. Next year will still be okay to move around Europe (including Britain). After that ????

Cheers Georgie.

I know quite a bit about my Dutch roots as my late Grandmother and her entire family (Visser's) left Rotterdam and came to America aboard a ship just prior to WWII, settling in Venice, CA. A good thing they did as Rotterdam was pretty much blown to smithereens by the Germans. So the Visser clan has branched out all around California and beyond since then, with some distant relatives still residing in the Netherlands. Having been partially brought up by my Dutch Grandma in my early years, I was told constantly stories about my roots, stuffed with dutch food, and told how tough it was living in pre-war Rotterdam as she was growing up. She passed away as a 90 year old about ten years ago and still had a thick Dutch accent after all those years! I can still hear her swearing at me in Dutch when I'd get in to trouble as a little kid. smiling smiley I've been to the Netherlands many times (the first time was in '87), and have been to Rotterdam several times which is always a bit bittersweet - being surrounded by all the post-war modernity and wondering how it might have been - probably more like Amsterdam, and smaller cities like Haarlem, Delft, Leiden, Utrecht, etc. The port of Rotterdam is mind boggling though - massive!

As for the Nijmegen and Amsterdam factoids you mentioned, those are interesting tidbits I was unaware of! I saw Van open for them at another show - I think it was Oakland in '05 or '06 (?)- and if memory serves there was a rumour he would be joining the Stones for Little Red Rooster. But it was not to be, as he finished his set and disappeared!

Mentioning Brexit to my wife could seal the deal, and I've just been reminded Steve Winwood will be playing at Hyde Park. He's her favorite artist by a landslide, and whenever he comes to town we make sure to see him (just saw him a couple of months ago at a small casino up near where I live). But he alone could never justify me making arrangements to travel back to England, but then there's Clapton and Roger Waters at Hyde Park! I'll wait until Stones dates are etched in stone (maybe they'll also be at Hyde Park?), then see if it's possible to work out an itinerary involving all of the above...and send my wife off to Chester to see her parents without me! grinning smiley

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Re: This Is The Point...imo..
Posted by: 35love ()
Date: November 28, 2017 00:26

Please, what does it mean:
Mention ‘Brexit’ and after next year not being able to...what?
Travel around England? Or do you mean if an English citizen not being able to easily go from England to other parts of Europe?
I am asking not because I care to learn/ discuss Brexit, no,
rather: how is this information going to help me convince my case for travel/show?

Re: This Is The Point...imo..
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: November 28, 2017 00:30

Seems it was tongue-in - cheek specualtion...

"Next year will still be okay to move around Europe (including Britain). After that ????"

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Re: This Is The Point...imo..
Date: November 28, 2017 00:31

You have a point there!!!!!

Quick put your hat on and no one will see it!


Cheech and Chong

Re: This Is The Point...imo..
Posted by: 35love ()
Date: November 28, 2017 01:00

Yeah okay doesn’t help me.

Guess we’ll just see.

Re: This Is The Point...imo..
Posted by: georgie48 ()
Date: November 28, 2017 10:37

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Please, what does it mean:
Mention ‘Brexit’ and after next year not being able to...what?
Travel around England? Or do you mean if an English citizen not being able to easily go from England to other parts of Europe?
I am asking not because I care to learn/ discuss Brexit, no,
rather: how is this information going to help me convince my case for travel/show?

Sorry Love35, I didn't mean to confuse you. It's just that the European continental countries (especially the original 6) are far from pleased that the UK was all to happy to join as 7th country when all was going so well within the EEC. Share the benifits. But leaving when we all went to rough times, is far from "high class" or "loyal" behaviour. You can be sure that the negotiations will be very, very tough and that the chances of the Pound dropping dramatically are no fairy tales. Any Brit travelling to the continent after Brexit may have to pay heavily.
Personally I find it too sad for words, because I have always loved Britain, where I spent a lot of time and they "gave me" The Rolling Stones!!!

Re: This Is The Point...imo..
Posted by: ycagwywpmd ()
Date: November 28, 2017 12:09

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Please, what does it mean:
Mention ‘Brexit’ and after next year not being able to...what?
Travel around England? Or do you mean if an English citizen not being able to easily go from England to other parts of Europe?
I am asking not because I care to learn/ discuss Brexit, no,
rather: how is this information going to help me convince my case for travel/show?

Sorry Love35, I didn't mean to confuse you. It's just that the European continental countries (especially the original 6) are far from pleased that the UK was all to happy to join as 7th country when all was going so well within the EEC. Share the benifits. But leaving when we all went to rough times, is far from "high class" or "loyal" behaviour. You can be sure that the negotiations will be very, very tough and that the chances of the Pound dropping dramatically are no fairy tales. Any Brit travelling to the continent after Brexit may have to pay heavily.
Personally I find it too sad for words, because I have always loved Britain, where I spent a lot of time and they "gave me" The Rolling Stones!!!

Or to put it another way Love35, your gonna get lots of ££££££'s for your $$$$.
You really are. The holes we are digging for ourselves here are just getting deeper.

Thanks for your sentiments Georgie48 re loving Britain. Lots of us do.
Promise I'm not picking a fight, but we didn't 'give' the Roling Stones to anyone, they're still ours!! But we're really good at sharing though.
Sometimes I wonder how much they 'love Britain' as I have said elsewhere, I just sometimes think we haven't had enough back for our early support. Still, glad the world is full of people who love 'em too

Re: This Is The Point...imo..
Posted by: beachbreak ()
Date: November 28, 2017 22:48

Keith is gonna go out on stage with his Telecaster strapped to his shoulder.

It's what he does, he does it great and he loves it.

Re: This Is The Point...imo..
Posted by: buttons67 ()
Date: November 29, 2017 02:00

going to make a very good attempt to get to a uk show next year.

if i cant make it for whatever reason then, it dosent really matter, ive seen them before, so cant complain.

i wish all the band members a long life, but i dont want the stones to continue for too long as a band just for the sake of existing. would be happy to get another 3-5 years from them, couple of studio albums, mini tours and release of live albums and more from the vaults, or maybe that wont happen, we,ll know soon enough.

Re: This Is The Point...imo..
Posted by: georgie48 ()
Date: November 29, 2017 10:24

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35love
Please, what does it mean:
Mention ‘Brexit’ and after next year not being able to...what?
Travel around England? Or do you mean if an English citizen not being able to easily go from England to other parts of Europe?
I am asking not because I care to learn/ discuss Brexit, no,
rather: how is this information going to help me convince my case for travel/show?

Sorry Love35, I didn't mean to confuse you. It's just that the European continental countries (especially the original 6) are far from pleased that the UK was all to happy to join as 7th country when all was going so well within the EEC. Share the benifits. But leaving when we all went to rough times, is far from "high class" or "loyal" behaviour. You can be sure that the negotiations will be very, very tough and that the chances of the Pound dropping dramatically are no fairy tales. Any Brit travelling to the continent after Brexit may have to pay heavily.
Personally I find it too sad for words, because I have always loved Britain, where I spent a lot of time and they "gave me" The Rolling Stones!!!

Or to put it another way Love35, your gonna get lots of ££££££'s for your $$$$.
You really are. The holes we are digging for ourselves here are just getting deeper.

Thanks for your sentiments Georgie48 re loving Britain. Lots of us do.
Promise I'm not picking a fight, but we didn't 'give' the Roling Stones to anyone, they're still ours!! But we're really good at sharing though.
Sometimes I wonder how much they 'love Britain' as I have said elsewhere, I just sometimes think we haven't had enough back for our early support. Still, glad the world is full of people who love 'em too

I fully agree with you! The Rolling Stones are Brits, that why I used quote marks winking smiley still, after almost 54 years I can't help feeling they are like "my big brothers". They tought me a lot (also how not to do "things" in life grinning smiley) and it's been lots of fun sharing time with them on the road around the world!
I'm also sure they love the British fans easily as much as "the other fans", but having said that, the country (meaning politics, police, etc.) has given them an undeserved hard time, especially in the sixties! I walked around London in 1967 ... very angry. Now I look back with a smile, because the band has (except for Brian) has survived all storms and still makes us feel happy smileys with beer

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