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Redhotcarpet
They seem to add sustain to Keiths guitars like on SFM. He doesnt have to play as much, just hit the right chords on the right beat.
I can tell you that in the park it sounded like he lacked sustain generally, but he might have gotten a little beef from Pierre on SFM. Happy and BS were totally dry. If the tone didn't ring, he had to count bars and wait to play what came next.
He's a purist when it comes to sound, and it surprises me that he avoids distortion when he can.
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stone4ever
Not just Keith but Mick, Ronnie and Charlie too.
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stone4ever
Been listening to some more of the Austria show and i have to be honest, i'm getting the feeling they might have come out to tread the boards one time too many with this tour.
I know youtube clips are not the right thing to make judgements, but they give you a rough idea. This is a mess. Not just Keith but Mick, Ronnie and Charlie too.
The band need to spend a few of their between gig days rehearsing because something is terribly wrong. Maybe this was just a poor show with Mick, Ronnie and Charlie under par as well as Keith.
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stone4ever
Not just Keith but Mick, Ronnie and Charlie too.
They're old and the tour is called ''No Filter''. What exactly did you expect?
The difference is Dean was there and the others are watching you tube "oh my god mick isn't dancing like it's 1972 and Keith flubbed a solo, break up the band!!-it's like people focus on something that didn't go right and then talk themselves into the show being terrible,then you get from the people who were actually there"little rough in some spots but a really good show overall.Quote
laertisflash
It’s funny how many different opinions, on the same gig, are expressed. Just saw the comment of stone4ever. But saw also the review written by Dean Goodman, the most austere reviewer here. Dean Goodman has heard - at Spielberg- Keith “creating a massive wall of guitar sound with Ronnie ‘Red Bull’ Wood”. And he also says: « I’m sure they’re not close to hitting all the right notes, but their bone- rattling tones and menacing riffs through the countryside like a series of hurricanes”. Miles away from claims about “lack of energy”, “total mess”, etc.
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stone4ever
Not just Keith but Mick, Ronnie and Charlie too.
They're old and the tour is called ''No Filter''. What exactly did you expect?
This is so telling of iorr, just mention Mick or Ronnie having an off night and it gets defensive and nasty instantly.
Its Ok for Ron and Mick to just be old and that's that, but Keith gets 16 pages of bashing just for starters.
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lem motlowThe difference is Dean was there and the others are watching you tube "oh my god mick isn't dancing like it's 1972 and Keith flubbed a solo, break up the band!!-it's like people focus on something that didn't go right and then talk themselves into the show being terrible,then you get from the people who were actually there"little rough in some spots but a really good show overall.Quote
laertisflash
It’s funny how many different opinions, on the same gig, are expressed. Just saw the comment of stone4ever. But saw also the review written by Dean Goodman, the most austere reviewer here. Dean Goodman has heard - at Spielberg- Keith “creating a massive wall of guitar sound with Ronnie ‘Red Bull’ Wood”. And he also says: « I’m sure they’re not close to hitting all the right notes, but their bone- rattling tones and menacing riffs through the countryside like a series of hurricanes”. Miles away from claims about “lack of energy”, “total mess”, etc.
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laertisflash
It’s funny how many different opinions, on the same gig, are expressed. Just saw the comment of stone4ever. But saw also the review written by Dean Goodman, the most austere reviewer here. Dean Goodman has heard - at Spielberg- Keith “creating a massive wall of guitar sound with Ronnie ‘Red Bull’ Wood”. And he also says: « I’m sure they’re not close to hitting all the right notes, but their bone- rattling tones and menacing riffs through the countryside like a series of hurricanes”. Miles away from claims about “lack of energy”, “total mess”, etc.
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powerage78
Mick is not the problem...
Surely not !
Haha, I noticed that too...I don't think Mick even saw Keith yelling at him.Quote
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powerage78
Mick is not the problem...
Surely not !
Mick is aging gracefully. Moving around less helps his singing. Like a Rainbow and many others songs he has been excellent, imo.
... PS: I thought it was kind of funny after the now infamous BS intro the other night he started walking down the catwalk away. Probably does that anyway, but it looked like he was fleeing the scene.
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The shows are worth every penny.
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powerage78
Mick is not the problem...
Surely not !
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laertisflash
It’s funny how many different opinions, on the same gig, are expressed. Just saw the comment of stone4ever. But saw also the review written by Dean Goodman, the most austere reviewer here. Dean Goodman has heard - at Spielberg- Keith “creating a massive wall of guitar sound with Ronnie ‘Red Bull’ Wood”. And he also says: « I’m sure they’re not close to hitting all the right notes, but their bone- rattling tones and menacing riffs through the countryside like a series of hurricanes”. Miles away from claims about “lack of energy”, “total mess”, etc.
It's also funny that when Dean wrote a subpar review of the Hamburg show you seemed to take issue with it, but now he's written a semi-positive review and you call him the "most austere reviewer here" even using quotes from him to counter someone else's opinion. Yes he's a great writer and reviewer, and I respect all of his opinions and reviews whether I agree with them or not. If he writes another review that you don't fully agree with, will you ignore or discount it?
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stone4ever
Been listening to some more of the Austria show and i have to be honest, i'm getting the feeling they might have come out to tread the boards one time too many with this tour.
I know youtube clips are not the right thing to make judgements, but they give you a rough idea. This is a mess. Not just Keith but Mick, Ronnie and Charlie too.
The band need to spend a few of their between gig days rehearsing because something is terribly wrong. Maybe this was just a poor show with Mick, Ronnie and Charlie under par as well as Keith.
I was there.
It was not "a mess".
Something is not "terribly wrong".
This was not a "poor show".
Read the reviews of the people that were there...
IORR REVIEWS OF SPIELBERG
In the immortal words of Keith Richards:
@#$%& OFF!
Point to where I said he sings as well as he did when he was younger. You can't, because I never claimed that.Quote
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powerage78
Mick is not the problem...
Surely not !
No of course Mick is not the problem, i was just trying to emphasize the point that not everything that goes wrong is down to Keith not playing well.
I over emphasize out of frustration.
DP has noticed and explained that various mistakes have been down to Charlie and Mick, not all Keith.
That is all i wanted to point out.
Someone above suggested that Mick is singing to a high level and therefor everything else Mick does is irrelevant.
That's a bit like saying if Keith played well and didn't move an inch the whole show that would be OK. Well not for me , i love Keith's moves, and i don't agree Mick is singing to a level that he did when he was younger, keefriff99. That is giving Mick a terrible injustice, he sang fantastic in 02' 03' to a much greater level than today. The power and passion he puts into this performance below would be impossible for him today.
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keefriff99Point to where I said he sings as well as he did when he was younger. You can't, because I never claimed that.Quote
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powerage78
Mick is not the problem...
Surely not !
No of course Mick is not the problem, i was just trying to emphasize the point that not everything that goes wrong is down to Keith not playing well.
I over emphasize out of frustration.
DP has noticed and explained that various mistakes have been down to Charlie and Mick, not all Keith.
That is all i wanted to point out.
Someone above suggested that Mick is singing to a high level and therefor everything else Mick does is irrelevant.
That's a bit like saying if Keith played well and didn't move an inch the whole show that would be OK. Well not for me , i love Keith's moves, and i don't agree Mick is singing to a level that he did when he was younger, keefriff99. That is giving Mick a terrible injustice, he sang fantastic in 02' 03' to a much greater level than today. The power and passion he puts into this performance below would be impossible for him today.
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However, I probably could. I'm personally not a fan of his hoarse, out of breath, coked-up yowling from the mide/late '70s, so technically by that standard, I COULD claim he sings better than he did when he was young...but I won't.
He's singing WELL for a 73 year old man. His voice isn't cracking. He's not straining. He's not botching songs constantly. He's performing at an above-competent level relative to his age.
You should stop trying to conflate normal age-related attrition with Keith's decline.
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keefriff99Point to where I said he sings as well as he did when he was younger. You can't, because I never claimed that.Quote
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powerage78
Mick is not the problem...
Surely not !
No of course Mick is not the problem, i was just trying to emphasize the point that not everything that goes wrong is down to Keith not playing well.
I over emphasize out of frustration.
DP has noticed and explained that various mistakes have been down to Charlie and Mick, not all Keith.
That is all i wanted to point out.
Someone above suggested that Mick is singing to a high level and therefor everything else Mick does is irrelevant.
That's a bit like saying if Keith played well and didn't move an inch the whole show that would be OK. Well not for me , i love Keith's moves, and i don't agree Mick is singing to a level that he did when he was younger, keefriff99. That is giving Mick a terrible injustice, he sang fantastic in 02' 03' to a much greater level than today. The power and passion he puts into this performance below would be impossible for him today.
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However, I probably could. I'm personally not a fan of his hoarse, out of breath, coked-up yowling from the mide/late '70s, so technically by that standard, I COULD claim he sings better than he did when he was young...but I won't.
He's singing WELL for a 73 year old man. His voice isn't cracking. He's not straining. He's not botching songs constantly. He's performing at an above-competent level relative to his age.
You should stop trying to conflate normal age-related attrition with Keith's decline.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2017-09-20 23:45 by stone4ever.