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When Yardbirds '68 is officially released on November 5, it will include an early instrumental version of the song that became Led Zeppelin's "Tangerine." It will be an instrumental version because Jimmy Page has erased Keith Relf's lead vocal so that he won't have to give Keith a songwriting credit (the lyrics are Relf's) and pay royalties to his estate. Here's the song with Keith's lyrics and vocal intact.
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When Yardbirds '68 is officially released on November 5, it will include an early instrumental version of the song that became Led Zeppelin's "Tangerine." It will be an instrumental version because Jimmy Page has erased Keith Relf's lead vocal so that he won't have to give Keith a songwriting credit (the lyrics are Relf's) and pay royalties to his estate. Here's the song with Keith's lyrics and vocal intact.
[www.youtube.com]
It's not that simple.
Firstly, that early version was never copyrighted.
Secondly, Page claimed the lyrics was his.
Thirdly, if Keith Relf, who died in 1976, had anything to argue against the released version of Tangarine, he could have either sued or claimed authorship of the lyrics. He didn't though he had 6 years to do so.
We have seen it in the Stones world too, with Jones 'defenders' who claimes he should have writing credit for this and that. Funnily enough, Jones himself never argued on that point. Only his 'fans' do.
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When Yardbirds '68 is officially released on November 5, it will include an early instrumental version of the song that became Led Zeppelin's "Tangerine." It will be an instrumental version because Jimmy Page has erased Keith Relf's lead vocal so that he won't have to give Keith a songwriting credit (the lyrics are Relf's) and pay royalties to his estate. Here's the song with Keith's lyrics and vocal intact.
[www.youtube.com]
It's not that simple.
Firstly, that early version was never copyrighted.
Secondly, Page claimed the lyrics was his.
Thirdly, if Keith Relf, who died in 1976, had anything to argue against the released version of Tangarine, he could have either sued or claimed authorship of the lyrics. He didn't though he had 6 years to do so.
We have seen it in the Stones world too, with Jones 'defenders' who claimes he should have writing credit for this and that. Funnily enough, Jones himself never argued on that point. Only his 'fans' do.
Your first two points were addressed in the third post in this thread. As for point #3, I can only guess that Relf remained silent on the matter because he would have considered it ungentlemanly to do otherwise. Being ripped off by a total stranger is one thing, but if it's a fellow Yardbird, well, one might be inclined to look the other way.
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Again, only bandmates and experts claims Relf wrote the lyrics.
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Again, only bandmates and experts claims Relf wrote the lyrics.
Only his bandmates? Wouldn't they be the most reliable source?
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Capitalizing every word of a sentence is almost as annoying als using all caps.
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geeeez Jimmy...
It seems the artists who are usually most concerned with this kind of thing are already multi-Millionaires many times over and if they never received another penny they and their heirs are set for a long long time.
It reminds me of the Napster thing where the most vocal opponents of online music sharing were already multi-millionaires... meanwhile an infinite number of "nobodies" were making music and happy to post it online for free... and even happier if anyone actually listened to it and delighted if anyone posted comments that they liked it.
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Geez Page you are a multi multi millionaire. 170 million.
Greedy!
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Again, only bandmates and experts claims Relf wrote the lyrics.
Only his bandmates? Wouldn't they be the most reliable source?
Not if they have a thorn in the side of Page and his succes.
A similar story regarding Brian Jones exists, were he should, according to Bill have written the riff to Under My Thumb and Paint It Black. No one, even Charlie, has said anything in that vein. And Bill is a bitter ex-member, using his time to claim authorship for him, Taylor and Brian.
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Again, only bandmates and experts claims Relf wrote the lyrics.
Only his bandmates? Wouldn't they be the most reliable source?
Not if they have a thorn in the side of Page and his succes.
A similar story regarding Brian Jones exists, were he should, according to Bill have written the riff to Under My Thumb and Paint It Black. No one, even Charlie, has said anything in that vein. And Bill is a bitter ex-member, using his time to claim authorship for him, Taylor and Brian.
Paint It, Black?
Hm... do they know that Keith plays the riff..
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Again, only bandmates and experts claims Relf wrote the lyrics.
Only his bandmates? Wouldn't they be the most reliable source?
Not if they have a thorn in the side of Page and his succes.
A similar story regarding Brian Jones exists, were he should, according to Bill have written the riff to Under My Thumb and Paint It Black. No one, even Charlie, has said anything in that vein. And Bill is a bitter ex-member, using his time to claim authorship for him, Taylor and Brian.
Paint It, Black?
Hm... do they know that Keith plays the riff..
because someone PLAYS a riff doesn't mean they wrote it.