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Gee, ya think? This is NOT WWII. There will not be unconditional surrender on the deck of a battleship. Battling terrorism is primarily a law enforcement and intelligence gathering exercise.

You cannot invade and bomb your way out of this mess. Even the most reactionary, trigger-happy politicians in the West haven't resorted to indiscriminate carpet bombing because it would be counterproductive.

But hey, it's more fun to spout cliched, tough-guy bromides in a John Wayne/Clint Eastwood accent than deal with the extreme complexity of the issue.

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paulywaul
Father Ted .... I luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurv your signature !!

"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to more threads about Mick Taylor rejoining the band" - G.Orwell

He was VERY clever was that Mr G.Orwell, I thought he only wrote Animal Farm n' 1984, but it seems he was a Stones fan as well !!??

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keefriff99
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Gee, ya think? This is NOT WWII. There will not be unconditional surrender on the deck of a battleship. Battling terrorism is primarily a law enforcement and intelligence gathering exercise.

You cannot invade and bomb your way out of this mess. Even the most reactionary, trigger-happy politicians in the West haven't resorted to indiscriminate carpet bombing because it would be counterproductive.

But hey, it's more fun to spout cliched, tough-guy bromides in a John Wayne/Clint Eastwood accent than deal with the extreme complexity of the issue.

Words of wisdom & nuance, and right on the ball Keef.
Thoughts & prayers to all victims and their peers...

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wonderboy
the key is to counter the ideology.

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bv
Personally I think media do make terrorists a big favour. Terror is based on fear. If the media did not write that extensive about terror then terrororists would not have any audience fore their sick actions. It is a much bigger chance of getting killed in a car accident going home from a concert than getting killed in terror. I have heard numbers saying it is by far more probable to be stroke by lightning than to get killed by terror.

This thread is here so that people may express their sympathy and feelings. We are unable to solve world problems here unfortunately, so please do not use this thread for hate or politics. There will be a fight and I will have to close the thread.

Also, I keep this thread open because we go to concerts, and because people may want to talk about fear. It is not dangerous to go to concerts. It is a lot more dangerous to stay at home. You may fall down the stairs or from a ladder. You may get a heart attack because you did not go to any concerts.

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MadMax
Bitusa2012 wrote:
"Blow their "hq" in Syria or Iran or Iraq or wherever it is to smithereens..(..)"

Come on mate, I've been to Iran about 11-12 times and if there's one place this scum ain't coming from it is good old Persia. Maybe one can change those 3 countries you mentioned to Tunisia, Maroccoo and Saudi? Thank You.

My thoughts goes to all the victims of this hideous crime. RIP

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Actually, what really "helps the terrorists" is not the subsequent news feeds of publicity, but the after effects of the militarized security state that is put in place.

As a result, at the venue in Boston where I saw the Stones in 2013, an arena, security there gets to be more of a nuisance.

Ten years ago, all you had to do was open your coat and someone would glance and let you pass. In 2016, for a Who concert, suddenly there were these metal detecting walk-through set-ups, where you had to empty your pockets and pass your items through a scanner, like you were entering a court house. After that you got scanned with a metal detector and you had to put your hands above your head, and some militarized police guy would be there to bark at each patron passing through, "Hands above your head!", like you were a criminal being placed under arrest.

Even this month in Boston at a theater gig to see the Zombies, you would expect to just walk in, but no, you got the electronic wand treatment -- for a 1,200 seating capacity theater, to see a group of 70-year-olds perform.

Thanks to the Corporation style government policies, we no longer live as free people -- we have a militarized security police state, and they are still blowing things up regardless.

In this way, "the terrorists win" -- because we let them.

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stonehearted
Actually, what really "helps the terrorists" is not the subsequent news feeds of publicity, but the after effects of the militarized security state that is put in place.

As a result, at the venue in Boston where I saw the Stones in 2013, an arena, security there gets to be more of a nuisance.

Ten years ago, all you had to do was open your coat and someone would glance and let you pass. In 2016, for a Who concert, suddenly there were these metal detecting walk-through set-ups, where you had to empty your pockets and pass your items through a scanner, like you were entering a court house. After that you got scanned with a metal detector and you had to put your hands above your head, and some militarized police guy would be there to bark at each patron passing through, "Hands above your head!", like you were a criminal being placed under arrest.

Even this month in Boston at a theater gig to see the Zombies, you would expect to just walk in, but no, you got the electronic wand treatment -- for a 1,200 seating capacity theater, to see a group of 70-year-olds perform.

Thanks to the Corporation style government policies, we no longer live as free people -- we have a militarized security police state, and they are still blowing things up regardless.

In this way, "the terrorists win" -- because we let them.

I agree with you mostly, but I was just at Gillette Stadium on Friday night to see Metallica, and the security wasn't intrusive. I emptied my pockets into a little tray and walked through a metal detector.

Took maybe an additional 30-40 seconds. Yes, it does feel like we've been conditioned to living in a police state, but in that particular example, I thought it was worthwhile.

You would think that sporting events and concerts would be a high-profile target, but nothing of the sort has happened in America. I don't think it's an accident.

Would you honestly feel safe walking into a 60,000-seat stadium in a major metropolitan area with NO security checks at all?

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stonehearted
Actually, what really "helps the terrorists" is not the subsequent news feeds of publicity, but the after effects of the militarized security state that is put in place.

As a result, at the venue in Boston where I saw the Stones in 2013, an arena, security there gets to be more of a nuisance.

Ten years ago, all you had to do was open your coat and someone would glance and let you pass. In 2016, for a Who concert, suddenly there were these metal detecting walk-through set-ups, where you had to empty your pockets and pass your items through a scanner, like you were entering a court house. After that you got scanned with a metal detector and you had to put your hands above your head, and some militarized police guy would be there to bark at each patron passing through, "Hands above your head!", like you were a criminal being placed under arrest.

Even this month in Boston at a theater gig to see the Zombies, you would expect to just walk in, but no, you got the electronic wand treatment -- for a 1,200 seating capacity theater, to see a group of 70-year-olds perform.

Thanks to the Corporation style government policies, we no longer live as free people -- we have a militarized security police state, and they are still blowing things up regardless.

In this way, "the terrorists win" -- because we let them.

I agree with you mostly, but I was just at Gillette Stadium on Friday night to see Metallica, and the security wasn't intrusive. I emptied my pockets into a little tray and walked through a metal detector.

Took maybe an additional 30-40 seconds. Yes, it does feel like we've been conditioned to living in a police state, but in that particular example, I thought it was worthwhile.

You would think that sporting events and concerts would be a high-profile target, but nothing of the sort has happened in America. I don't think it's an accident.

Would you honestly feel safe walking into a 60,000-seat stadium in a major metropolitan area with NO security checks at all?

Thanks for proving my point.

The "terrorism" situation is half the problem, and people like you, sir, are the other half of the problem.

Hope you enjoy the TSA/airport style check-in to come at your next concert venue, along with the proctology exam. I'm sure you'll find it worthwhile, exchanging freedom so you can feel "safe" instead.

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the terrorists cant change anything! we will keep going to concerts, have fun, drink a beer, smoke a joint

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buttons67
i dont understand terrorists.

if they have a firm belief that they have been wronged, why dont they take their actions out against those that have wronged them, ie government, military,police etc.

no these cowards target wee innocent lassies who have done no one any harm.

terribly sad day, no one can ever really be safe these days



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buttons67
i dont understand terrorists.

if they have a firm belief that they have been wronged, why dont they take their actions out against those that have wronged them, ie government, military,police etc.

no these cowards target wee innocent lassies who have done no one any harm.

terribly sad day, no one can ever really be safe these days.

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grzegorz67
An 8 year old girl confirmed amongst the dead. What kind of dreg of humanity sets out to blow up an 8 year old girl and what do they hope to achieve by doing so?

FEAR, HATE and a place in heaven....at least that's what they think.


There are no words. Absolutely none.

My hearfelt sympathy to all affected and if this feeble excuse for a human being who did this has acomplices, I hope they are swiftly found and caught.