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HMS
Yes indeed - DW is better than SG which has only two outstanding songs and TY which is in fact nothing but recycling left-overs, some of them even 1o years old.
If you would call SG, ER & TY a trilogy, ER would be the winner with SG as the taillight. Besides EOMS SG is the most overrated Stones-album in the band´s history.
And yes, Black And Blue is a marvelous album especially compared with IORR & GHS, both low-points in the band-career. It is slightly better than DW indeed, but if somebody would force me to burn either Black And Blue or DW, I still would burn Black And Blue.
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Listening to DW - their best album from 1976 onwards - can never be a waste of time.
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But what makes Plundered unlistenable indeed is Mick´s new recorded singing.
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Never understood people's fondness for Plundered My Soul.
I think it has a lot to do with Taylor being back, hence people are loving it for sentimental reasons. I could be wrong, though.
Of course you are right. As I am if I say that the reason why some (even more strange) people are NOT liking the song is beacuse Mick Taylor IS on it, or not having Ron Wood there...
Seriously, I think the reason why many people like this song is because they have a thing called taste of their own and they use it might fine; based on their own judgement they actually like the song, that is, they consider it as a good song... Maybe that is pretty hard for some others to understand/accept..
- Doxa
I'm not sure about the fallout from this post Doxa, but once again you've nailed it of course...I'll now read the other two pages of this thread.
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But what makes Plundered unlistenable indeed is Mick´s new recorded singing.
When I listened to this song for the first time I thought this is Jagger singing like I haven't heard him for many years. What do you have against his voice?
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On Plundered My Soul Mick sounds like emulating himself. He mimics his former early-70s persona.
I dont like the way he sings on PMS, it sounds so pressed, so whiny, too forced.
I do not think of DW as their greatest work ever (only a fool would do that with albums like LIB, SF, BB, B&B in their back-catalog), but as their best album since Black And Blue.
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GasLightStreet
HMS is a fool. He loves bunk. His originality exists only in his septic thinking about DIRTY WORK.
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Junk song. Should be called Plunger My Toilet
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HMS is a fool. He loves bunk. His originality exists only in his septic thinking about DIRTY WORK.
I assume he's joking about it all and that EOMS is his favorite album and Gimme Shelter his favorite song... ;-)
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HMS is a fool.
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DIRTY WORK proved how sterile and bland the Stones could get, especially with 3 cover tunes on it and the rest being mediocre at minimum best.
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HMS is a fool.
Btw, In some way GLS is right: I am a fool. A fool for Dirty Work, I can´t help loving this marvelous album. I will stay in love with it for the rest of my life.
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HMS is a fool. He loves bunk. His originality exists only in his septic thinking about DIRTY WORK.
I assume he's joking about it all and that EOMS is his favorite album and Gimme Shelter his favorite song... ;-)
I´m not joking about Dirty Work. I mean whatever I wrote about this fantastic album. EOMS could be one of my top-favorites, if it was a single album without all that unnecessary subpar stuff on it. But even if it would have been a 12-track-album, it would not have been their best album... LIB and SF are better albums.
JJF is my favorite Stones-song. Gimme Shelter is my second-best favorite indeed.
To put aside all this saying about Dirty Work being my "favorite Stones-album of all times" here´s my ranking:
1. Let It Bleed
2. Sticky Fingers
3. Beggars Banquet
4. Black and Blue
5. EOMS
6. Dirty Work
7. Undercover
8. Emotional Rescue
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EOMS as No 5 is a rather high rating for this album, but it has some of the very best ballads the Stones have ever recorded. Without Shine A Light, Sweet Virgina and Let It Loose it would be No 10 or 12, maybe 14 or 16. Dirty Work - I am convinced of that - is the most outstanding album of the Ron-Wood-era, their finest album in almost 40 years.
Plundered My Soul, as bad as it is, is still ten times better than Following The River and a million times better than the other Exile-bonus-disc-crap. In fact you might say PMS is the best of the new tracks, even though it´s awful.
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So, purely hypothetically, if "Shine a Light" had not been on EOMS, would you rank Dirty Work ahead of EOMS?
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GasLightStreet
DIRTY WORK - hardly anyone knows that album...
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DIRTY WORK proved how sterile and bland the Stones could get, especially with 3 cover tunes on it and the rest being mediocre at minimum best.
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DIRTY WORK proved how sterile and bland the Stones could get, especially with 3 cover tunes on it and the rest being mediocre at minimum best.
While I agree with you that Dirty Work is a terrible album, I wouldn't call it bland or mediocre. Terrible, yes. Insane, WTF, what-the-hell-were they-thinking, cringeworthy, embarrassing, cacaphonic, an enormous turd. (Apart from 3 songs). But mediocre? That's more applicable to SW.
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DIRTY WORK - hardly anyone knows that album...
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DIRTY WORK proved how sterile and bland the Stones could get, especially with 3 cover tunes on it and the rest being mediocre at minimum best.
Hardly anyone? Man, there are millions of Stones-fans all over the world who have bought ALL of their albums... and listened to it.
I can only see 2 cover tunes on DW (Too Rude & Harlem Shuffle), I dont count the 30 seconds of Key To The Highway. And it´s nothing wrong covering other people´s songs, the Stones started their career this way and it were fine albums... and if great songs like One Hit, DW, Sleep Tonight, Winning Ugly and Had It With You are "mediocre at minimum best" than one might have to dump a good third of their entire musical output...
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HMS
No serious Stones-fan would set aside one of their best albums, which DW indeed is, if you listen to it with an open mind and open ears.
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They weren´t stretched thin, they had lots and lots of material
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Plenty of interesting outtakes floating around, unfortunately they never gave some of these songs a final polish. Dirty Work could have been easily a double album with all that material they´ve got and still they would not have used all of it.
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Stealing from themselves? That´s what they do almost from the very first beginning. If the Stones steal from the Stones, they´re stealing from the best, so nothing wrong with that.
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You´ve been listening to DW the last time in 1986? You have to give it a try at least every month. Me, for instance, I am listening to Exile a couple of times every year - the entire album with all the fillers and so-so´s. I even listen to Between The Buttons every now and then.
Talking about lots and lots of material doesn´t equal quality, Exile has lots and lots of material and a remarkable amount of fillers as well... so Exile is a good example.
I have listened to DW thousands of times over the years but never noticed that Sleep Tonight steals from Coming Down Again.
Even if it´s true that DW is their most unknown/unheard album, there is still a chance that next generations will recognize it as the true gem that it is.
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One Hit
Winning Ugly
Harlem Shuffle
DW
Had It With You
Sleep Tonight
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I almost choked on my morning scrambled eggs when I read "winning ugly".
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So, purely hypothetically, if "Shine a Light" had not been on EOMS, would you rank Dirty Work ahead of EOMS?
Sure. Without a moment of hesitation.