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I don't hear any loopage. Seems like Mick was pretty straight up about it. Why would they loop something when they recorded all of their songs for 10 minutes a take?
It's actually a very common studio technique, even when long takes are done. It is so terribly easy to do with ProTools and there is almost always a phrase or number of bars that is so much better than the rest that the urge to do it is pretty strong. I haven't listened to PMS closely enough while trying to evaluate whether that was done or not but it's likely the original tracks were all transferred to ProTools when Jagger did the add'l vocals so it's certainly possible.
...and big freakin' deal if he did. So what does that mean? Mick did a fantastic job. If you like the song, you like it, you don't need to go looking for studio 'tricks'. Who the hell cares, it's not as though it's a live album they're trying to fool us with overdubs.
As for the 'old man vocal' comments...I think we just need to get over ourselves.
Settle there treacle. I don't think anyone insinuated looping was a bad thing here, I certainly didn't and was just trying to answer some peoples questions and explain how common and easy it would have been to do with the music on this one.
Some of us like to talk about the tunes in more detail than "I like it" or I hate it", actually discern some of the reasons. The comments made here about the relative volume or sound of Micks vocal on this one are relevant to the discussion. It my case it's the only thing I don't like about the tune and that's significant since it was recorded decades later.
I know looping is easy with Pro Tools. But I don't buy it, not with Plundered. BRIDGES TO BABYLON, yes, they were clear about that. Jagger said Plundered was finished except for a lead and vocals and didn't need editing.
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I don't hear any loopage. Seems like Mick was pretty straight up about it. Why would they loop something when they recorded all of their songs for 10 minutes a take?
It's actually a very common studio technique, even when long takes are done. It is so terribly easy to do with ProTools and there is almost always a phrase or number of bars that is so much better than the rest that the urge to do it is pretty strong. I haven't listened to PMS closely enough while trying to evaluate whether that was done or not but it's likely the original tracks were all transferred to ProTools when Jagger did the add'l vocals so it's certainly possible.
...and big freakin' deal if he did. So what does that mean? Mick did a fantastic job. If you like the song, you like it, you don't need to go looking for studio 'tricks'. Who the hell cares, it's not as though it's a live album they're trying to fool us with overdubs.
As for the 'old man vocal' comments...I think we just need to get over ourselves.
Settle there treacle. I don't think anyone insinuated looping was a bad thing here, I certainly didn't and was just trying to answer some peoples questions and explain how common and easy it would have been to do with the music on this one.
Some of us like to talk about the tunes in more detail than "I like it" or I hate it", actually discern some of the reasons. The comments made here about the relative volume or sound of Micks vocal on this one are relevant to the discussion. It my case it's the only thing I don't like about the tune and that's significant since it was recorded decades later.
I know looping is easy with Pro Tools. But I don't buy it, not with Plundered. BRIDGES TO BABYLON, yes, they were clear about that. Jagger said Plundered was finished except for a lead and vocals and didn't need editing.
i just listened to plundered my soul again. the bass at least sounds looped, or bill was uncharacteristically uninventive whilst playing on that track. (assuming bill was playing bass).
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Jagger said Plundered was finished except for a lead and vocals and didn't need editing.
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Jagger said Plundered was finished except for a lead and vocals and didn't need editing.
Jagger has said many a thing which turned out to not be true and the whole Plundered episode was weird from start to finish.
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Jagger said Plundered was finished except for a lead and vocals and didn't need editing.
Jagger has said many a thing which turned out to not be true and the whole Plundered episode was weird from start to finish.
Well, sure, but it was recent ie fresh, which leads me to believe Mick isn't making things up. The talk about it from Jagger and Taylor is hilarious considering Keith didn't even know about it.
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Jagger said Plundered was finished except for a lead and vocals and didn't need editing.
Jagger has said many a thing which turned out to not be true and the whole Plundered episode was weird from start to finish.
Well, sure, but it was recent ie fresh, which leads me to believe Mick isn't making things up. The talk about it from Jagger and Taylor is hilarious considering Keith didn't even know about it.
Even with recent things. It might have been seen as bad promotion to say it was looped/edited. That'd kill some of the hyped up authenticity. They were quite vague about some things in some of the interviews surrounding the Exile-re,re,re,re,re,release.
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PLUNDERED MY SOUL live instead of Tumbling Dice in 2013 at Hyde Park would have been epic.
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i'm surprised to see so much interest in such a minor song. they wanted to milk a few extra bucks out of their archives, and so they did. if we had keith's fax to don was i'm willing to bet even money what he said was "if you can find something you can use out of these tapes to make a few more buck by all means be my guest"
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I don't hear any loopage. Seems like Mick was pretty straight up about it. Why would they loop something when they recorded all of their songs for 10 minutes a take?
It's actually a very common studio technique, even when long takes are done. It is so terribly easy to do with ProTools and there is almost always a phrase or number of bars that is so much better than the rest that the urge to do it is pretty strong. I haven't listened to PMS closely enough while trying to evaluate whether that was done or not but it's likely the original tracks were all transferred to ProTools when Jagger did the add'l vocals so it's certainly possible.
...and big freakin' deal if he did. So what does that mean? Mick did a fantastic job. If you like the song, you like it, you don't need to go looking for studio 'tricks'. Who the hell cares, it's not as though it's a live album they're trying to fool us with overdubs.
As for the 'old man vocal' comments...I think we just need to get over ourselves.
Settle there treacle. I don't think anyone insinuated looping was a bad thing here, I certainly didn't and was just trying to answer some peoples questions and explain how common and easy it would have been to do with the music on this one.
Some of us like to talk about the tunes in more detail than "I like it" or I hate it", actually discern some of the reasons. The comments made here about the relative volume or sound of Micks vocal on this one are relevant to the discussion. It my case it's the only thing I don't like about the tune and that's significant since it was recorded decades later.
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i'm surprised to see so much interest in such a minor song. they wanted to milk a few extra bucks out of their archives, and so they did. if we had keith's fax to don was i'm willing to bet even money what he said was "if you can find something you can use out of these tapes to make a few more buck by all means be my guest"
Well and who cares really, as long as the result is great, which is what you have with Tattoo You, and what you have with PMS.
I really couldn't have expected a song this good to surface seemingly out of the blue.
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i'm surprised to see so much interest in such a minor song. they wanted to milk a few extra bucks out of their archives, and so they did. if we had keith's fax to don was i'm willing to bet even money what he said was "if you can find something you can use out of these tapes to make a few more buck by all means be my guest"
Well and who cares really, as long as the result is great, which is what you have with Tattoo You, and what you have with PMS.
I really couldn't have expected a song this good to surface seemingly out of the blue.
It's an awful song
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i'm surprised to see so much interest in such a minor song. they wanted to milk a few extra bucks out of their archives, and so they did. if we had keith's fax to don was i'm willing to bet even money what he said was "if you can find something you can use out of these tapes to make a few more buck by all means be my guest"
Well and who cares really, as long as the result is great, which is what you have with Tattoo You, and what you have with PMS.
I really couldn't have expected a song this good to surface seemingly out of the blue.
It's an awful song
...and it's too bad you think that, not that I care but because I think you're missing out. What annoys me are the ridiculous justifications for not liking it. If you don't like it, that fine but don't give me it's because of MJ's vocal, or they've looped parts to complete it. I think that's garbage...if you hate the song, you hate it.
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PLUNDERED MY SOUL live instead of Tumbling Dice in 2013 at Hyde Park would have been epic.
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Someone asked a while ago if there is any other attempt - than "Plundered My Soul" - to capture some of the stylistic magic of "Tumbling Dice", and even though I put some thought on it, I couldn't pick any.
But yesterday, when I was having my well-deserved beer at my local, suddenly - and quite out of the blue - a certain Stones song I haven't listened for ages came out of the speakers, and took my attention.
It was "Mixed Emotions". Probably that issue was still in my mind, and I started, first time ever, to think the tune in terms of "Dice". And it made sense. Even at the time when it was released, back in 1989, I remember it sounded familiar - some typical Stones groove in it, easy to recognize. There was this certain retro-feel, even though it wasn't so easy to pick any particular song - or a league of them - in their catalog being very similar to it.
But now, after "Plundered", when we have two of them - the variants of that particular groove - I think "Emotions" fits rather nicely into that league. That rather mid-tempo, dancable groove, the way the rhythm is emphasized, the 'accent'of it... (even though "Emotions" is a bit more straight-forward rhythmic-wise, and having less that mystique x-factor, than the other two).
Like I said, that never had occurred to me earlier, but probably most of you find my claim not very convincing (since there is not any EXILE feel or anything like that in "Emotions" and probably Keith's guitar sounds these days a bit too obvious), but c'mon, people, give "Mixed Emotions" another listen and think of "Dice" (or "Plundered" if you like)...
- Doxa
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Very unlikely they looped it back in 70's.
They looped part of "I Don't Know Why" in the 70's.
Or copied it, whatever.
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Someone asked a while ago if there is any other attempt - than "Plundered My Soul" - to capture some of the stylistic magic of "Tumbling Dice", and even though I put some thought on it, I couldn't pick any.
But yesterday, when I was having my well-deserved beer at my local, suddenly - and quite out of the blue - a certain Stones song I haven't listened for ages came out of the speakers, and took my attention.
It was "Mixed Emotions". Probably that issue was still in my mind, and I started, first time ever, to think the tune in terms of "Dice". And it made sense. Even at the time when it was released, back in 1989, I remember it sounded familiar - some typical Stones groove in it, easy to recognize. There was this certain retro-feel, even though it wasn't so easy to pick any particular song - or a league of them - in their catalog being very similar to it.
But now, after "Plundered", when we have two of them - the variants of that particular groove - I think "Emotions" fits rather nicely into that league. That rather mid-tempo, dancable groove, the way the rhythm is emphasized, the 'accent'of it... (even though "Emotions" is a bit more straight-forward rhythmic-wise, and having less that mystique x-factor, than the other two).
Like I said, that never had occurred to me earlier, but probably most of you find my claim not very convincing (since there is not any EXILE feel or anything like that in "Emotions" and probably Keith's guitar sounds these days a bit too obvious), but c'mon, people, give "Mixed Emotions" another listen and think of "Dice" (or "Plundered" if you like)...
- Doxa
Agreed Doxa. Besides I happen to like Mixed Emotions: a good song!