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StonesSoCal
That is why the $395.00's have never shown up for sale (at least here in San Diego). If you go and buy tickets, almost all the premium tickets are being held back as "platinum" tickets. I keep pulling the same platinum options over and over again. Whereas, the "normal" priced tickets say "sold out."
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Naturalust
I can't imagine anyone but possibly Mick is truly involved or even aware of the details of the ticket selling fiasco and the obviously unfair practices you describe, so it's hard to describe "the Rolling Stones" (all inclusive) as perpetrators of the "crime". I'd like to think someone like Charlie or Keith wouldn't approve of the process but in their ignorance I guess they could be considered just as responsible.
Here's what imagine each of them would say when confronted with the facts:
Mick: "Well I can't really say, it's all show business isn't it. I don't really get involved with all that, I have plenty to worry about to get the show presented properly and choose the right songs. Do you like the new stage design?"
Keith: "I'm just the guitar player, man (wheeze, chuckle) I'm lucky to get to the gig on time and remember the songs,(wheeze, laugh)."
Charlie: "Why are you asking me a question like that? I have no bloody idea about that stuff"
Ronnie: "What was the question?...Oh I don't know you'd have to ask Mick about it, but that sounds horrible mate. But we're going to put on a great show and I'm looking froward to getting on stage for all these great cities we haven't seen in a while ."
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Rokyfan
The Stones have a contract with the promoter in each case that guarantees them $X for the show. In order for the promoter to be able to pay the Stones their guarantee, a certain number of tickets (apparently quite a large number of "good" tickets) must be sold for way over "face" either through platinum packages or through a pseudo-secondary market from which the profits go to the promoter.
Of course the Stones themselves are not involved in the mechanics. They set their price. That price necessarily means that all of those tickets HAVE TO be sold via packages and fake resellers. So they can then say "I'm just the guitar player" and be insulated from the flak. They set the price, they get the money. Everyone else, except those four men, are simply following instructions.
I'm sure the Stones would in fact all say something like those made up quotes, but are people really ignorant enough to give it any credit? What they would say if they were honest is that it is simply the free-market system -- the tickets go to those who can afford them; the more in demand they are, the more money they go for. Nobody knows this better than Mick, keith, Charlie and Ron, despite the "I just work here" facades.
"If we are all one . . . . " was a long long time ago.
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Naturalust
I can't imagine anyone but possibly Mick is truly involved or even aware of the details of the ticket selling fiasco and the obviously unfair practices you describe, so it's hard to describe "the Rolling Stones" (all inclusive) as perpetrators of the "crime". I'd like to think someone like Charlie or Keith wouldn't approve of the process but in their ignorance I guess they could be considered just as responsible.
Here's what imagine each of them would say when confronted with the facts:
Mick: "Well I can't really say, it's all show business isn't it. I don't really get involved with all that, I have plenty to worry about to get the show presented properly and choose the right songs. Do you like the new stage design?"
Keith: "I'm just the guitar player, man (wheeze, chuckle) I'm lucky to get to the gig on time and remember the songs,(wheeze, laugh)."
Charlie: "Why are you asking me a question like that? I have no bloody idea about that stuff"
Ronnie: "What was the question?...Oh I don't know you'd have to ask Mick about it, but that sounds horrible mate. But we're going to put on a great show and I'm looking froward to getting on stage for all these great cities we haven't seen in a while ."
peace
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Naturalust
I can't imagine anyone but possibly Mick is truly involved or even aware of the details of the ticket selling fiasco and the obviously unfair practices you describe, so it's hard to describe "the Rolling Stones" (all inclusive) as perpetrators of the "crime". I'd like to think someone like Charlie or Keith wouldn't approve of the process but in their ignorance I guess they could be considered just as responsible.
Here's what imagine each of them would say when confronted with the facts:
Mick: "Well I can't really say, it's all show business isn't it. I don't really get involved with all that, I have plenty to worry about to get the show presented properly and choose the right songs. Do you like the new stage design?"
Keith: "I'm just the guitar player, man (wheeze, chuckle) I'm lucky to get to the gig on time and remember the songs,(wheeze, laugh)."
Charlie: "Why are you asking me a question like that? I have no bloody idea about that stuff"
Ronnie: "What was the question?...Oh I don't know you'd have to ask Mick about it, but that sounds horrible mate. But we're going to put on a great show and I'm looking froward to getting on stage for all these great cities we haven't seen in a while ."
peace
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Rokyfan
The Stones have a contract with the promoter in each case that guarantees them $X for the show. In order for the promoter to be able to pay the Stones their guarantee, a certain number of tickets (apparently quite a large number of "good" tickets) must be sold for way over "face" either through platinum packages or through a pseudo-secondary market from which the profits go to the promoter.
Of course the Stones themselves are not involved in the mechanics. They set their price. That price necessarily means that all of those tickets HAVE TO be sold via packages and fake resellers. So they can then say "I'm just the guitar player" and be insulated from the flak. They set the price, they get the money. Everyone else, except those four men, are simply following instructions.
I'm sure the Stones would in fact all say something like those made up quotes, but are people really ignorant enough to give it any credit? What they would say if they were honest is that it is simply the free-market system -- the tickets go to those who can afford them; the more in demand they are, the more money they go for. Nobody knows this better than Mick, keith, Charlie and Ron, despite the "I just work here" facades.
"If we are all one . . . . " was a long long time ago.
Hard to believe that Mick with his business reputation isn't involved and or aware of the process. Maybe it is as simple as he is involved setting the asking price for the seats in each venue, assuring it is enough for the promoter to profit nicely after the expenses and band's fees are paid. That would be an easy clean negotiation and protect the band somewhat from accusations like the one suggested here. Besides they do make millions more on merchandise over the course of a tour.
But it could be something much more complex that actually allows the band and promoter to split any additional revenue generated by the huge markups for special packages and secondary sales. That certainly seems likely in light of the fact that there is risk to the Stones reputation and "sold out" perceptions associated with these mark ups, the amount of profit generated from these markups is potentially HUGE, and that the Stones themselves are the ones generating the demand and sharing the risk. Therefore they should be the ones sharing the additional profits.
It is an interesting and secretive business in any case, unless you are a fan of modest means and want to see your favorite band from up close, but then again you might just lucky with the Lucky Dip tickets.
My question is do you think the huge number of tickets sluffed off to the secondary marketers are done so at an agreed (significant) markup before any tickets go on sale or are these companies using bots to get their tickets or a combination of both? Since most all the early tickets shown by Stub Hub were good seats I'm afraid people trying for them through normal means were doomed from the start.
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lettingitbleed
I can assure you, the $395 tickets for San Diego were available..I got some. Now, they DID go VERY fast. Many people wanted them, so there will be plenty who tried and failed. It sucks, but thats how it goes with a band and a show this popular. Every major event these days is like this. Great seats gone in a flash. If you want to get them at face value you gotta play by the new 21st century rules:
Standing in line overnight "when the box office opens" is over. Those days are long gone.
If you want tickets, you gotta reseach before the presale, have a fast internet connection, be aware of the exact site you need to buy them from, have a high or no limit credit card at the ready, open multiple browsers, AND (very important) be trying and trying again to select the ticket link several min before they go onsale. While 10am may have been the onsale time, the links were active and waiting room open about 10min prior.
Im thinking those that could not get tickets waited until after 10am to try. Those that dont understand the new way this is done or were just unlucky now gotta head over to stubhub and pay more.
Is it fair? Well, is capitalism fair? You don't have to agree but you gotta play by the rules of the game to win.
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gotdablouse
The "Official Platinum Tickets" really take the cake, I'd never heard of them before, how long have these "things" been around?
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lettingitbleed
I can assure you, the $395 tickets for San Diego were available..I got some. Now, they DID go VERY fast. Many people wanted them, so there will be plenty who tried and failed. It sucks, but thats how it goes with a band and a show this popular. Every major event these days is like this. Great seats gone in a flash. If you want to get them at face value you gotta play by the new 21st century rules:
Standing in line overnight "when the box office opens" is over. Those days are long gone.
If you want tickets, you gotta reseach before the presale, have a fast internet connection, be aware of the exact site you need to buy them from, have a high or no limit credit card at the ready, open multiple browsers, AND (very important) be trying and trying again to select the ticket link several min before they go onsale. While 10am may have been the onsale time, the links were active and waiting room open about 10min prior.
Im thinking those that could not get tickets waited until after 10am to try. Those that dont understand the new way this is done or were just unlucky now gotta head over to stubhub and pay more.
Is it fair? Well, is capitalism fair? You don't have to agree but you gotta play by the rules of the game to win.
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gotdablouse
The "Official Platinum Tickets" really take the cake, I'd never heard of them before, how long have these "things" been around ?
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Beast
<<While 10am may have been the onsale time, the links were active and waiting room open about 10min prior.
Im thinking those that could not get tickets waited until after 10am to try. >>
Wrong. While I've experienced that in the past
(& on one occasion even managed to buy tickets via the official seller's link two whole days before they went on sale), no links for any shows I tried for went live till on the dot, despite trying the link from up to 10 minutes and more in advance each time.
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lettingitbleed
I can assure you, the $395 tickets for San Diego were available..I got some. Now, they DID go VERY fast. Many people wanted them, so there will be plenty who tried and failed. It sucks, but thats how it goes with a band and a show this popular. Every major event these days is like this. Great seats gone in a flash. If you want to get them at face value you gotta play by the new 21st century rules:
Standing in line overnight "when the box office opens" is over. Those days are long gone.
If you want tickets, you gotta reseach before the presale, have a fast internet connection, be aware of the exact site you need to buy them from, have a high or no limit credit card at the ready, open multiple browsers, AND (very important) be trying and trying again to select the ticket link several min before they go onsale. While 10am may have been the onsale time, the links were active and waiting room open about 10min prior.
Im thinking those that could not get tickets waited until after 10am to try. Those that dont understand the new way this is done or were just unlucky now gotta head over to stubhub and pay more.
Is it fair? Well, is capitalism fair? You don't have to agree but you gotta play by the rules of the game to win.
Sounds exhausting just reading it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Beast
<<While 10am may have been the onsale time, the links were active and waiting room open about 10min prior.
Im thinking those that could not get tickets waited until after 10am to try. >>
Wrong. While I've experienced that in the past
(& on one occasion even managed to buy tickets via the official seller's link two whole days before they went on sale), no links for any shows I tried for went live till on the dot, despite trying the link from up to 10 minutes and more in advance each time.
For what it's worth, i was in the "virtual waiting room" prior to the start time for every presale as well as the public sale, clicking like mad in multiple windows.
I bought the best ticket I pulled up all week, which is in A12. This was in the Zipcode presale...I didn't get anything near that good in any other presales or the general onsale.
With these ticket "hoppers" bulls**t they have (instead of being able to select your seat) I think a lot of it is luck of the draw. That, and the A3-A6 tickets being held back for VIP, Travel packages, platinum, etc. Hopefully a lot of those go unsold and go back into $395 pool.