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bmuseed
The book will cover the 1965,1966,1969,1970 Tours, Altamont, and Gimme Shelter.
Swiss-don't leave anything unsaid. Best wishes.
No not Lang..;-) stay tuned..
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Doxa
Great, looking for the projects of swiss and bmuseed to be realized!
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Doxa
One question about Altamont. I wonder how much the actual concert and the film GIMME SHELTER are linked. Of course, the movie turned out to be a story of Altamont concert, but was that already planned initially? Like to enrich the content of tour film by this grand finale, Woodstock by their own terms?
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Doxa
It turned out to be something different than planned triumph, but still, had there not been cameras, would the whole 'free concert' ever took place?
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Doxa
I recall once reading a claim that it wasn't so 'free' or such an altruistic gesture (among other motives, also to compansate the claims of their high ticket prices, especially by ROLLING STONE magazine), since the band had plans to cash it in movie theatres... Total bullshit?
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Doxa
Swiss, sorry to hear about your beloved. Strength to both of you! I don't know if you have seen this little thread of mine about one cameraman of Altamont (Eric Saarinen), so in the case not, I put the link here (some interesting co-incidencies and details there, me thinks): [www.iorr.org]
- Doxa
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Palace Revolution 2000
The Gimme Shelter film really paints a good picture of how the festival came to be. From what we know the Stones felt like they wanted to give back to the US after the great tour. Maybe they felt that since they missed Woodstock, and that they had done Hyde Park in UK, they should do their own festival in USA. Mel Belli was instrumental in putting it together, the Grateful Dead manger too, and Mike Lang is seen too. Maybe one of the main problems was that there was not really anyone in charge.
Also , it was the 60's and things were done differently than nowadays. matter of fact, the lessons learned from Altamont played a big part in bringing about the first changes in tightening up these huge get-togethers. It had to be obvious to the movers and shakers that this concept was here to stay, that the market, and the music was only going to get bigger.
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Doxa
GIMME SHELTER movie really paints a good picture but also a kind of only picture we have of whatever involved with Altamont. Most of us, I think, do think the whole thing in terms of that movie. if I have understood right, one of the leading ideas in swiss's project is to offer different perspectives into it, or at least widen up the given perspective.
But that said, I agree with you said of its contextual, oddly lead, experimental nature, which, in the end, gave a lesson for upcoming events like that.
- Doxa
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Doxa
GIMME SHELTER movie really paints a good picture but also a kind of only picture we have of whatever involved with Altamont. Most of us, I think, do think the whole thing in terms of that movie. if I have understood right, one of the leading ideas in swiss's project is to offer different perspectives into it, or at least widen up the given perspective.
But that said, I agree with you said of its contextual, oddly lead, experimental nature, which, in the end, gave a lesson for upcoming events like that.
- Doxa
Try (if you haven't read it yet) Sam Cutler's "You Can't Always Get What You Want: My Life with the Rolling Stones, the Grateful Dead and Other Wonderful Reprobates"?
I think he gives a very good "insider" account of what happened. Indeed an interesting read (or, better, listen, as I got the ipad app version of the book with Sam reading it).
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Doxa
Thank you very much for your awesome answer, swiss! Lots of things I didn't know about its history (though my knowledge of these matters is not actually very much).
So, to sum up, could one say that everything - like usually - was not black and white; there were different parties involved, and most likely Jagger's stance didn't go hand in hand with the one of Bay Area scene, who probably were more into a 'groovy free' thing with no commercial aspect. Jagger, despite seeing there a goddamn great party and a fun thing per se, saw there also other opportunities for him and his band PR- and, in the end, even money-wise... Of course, if we leave such - a bit cynical, but perhaps realistic - scenario out, one could hippie-wise think that the plan to film it was to offer the rest of the world a chance to take part into this great party..
- Doxa
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... the Stones as a big part of the free festival panties
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stonesrule
I was around for quite a lot of the pre-Altamont discussions and I don't agree with Naturalust's above post.
I look forward to Ronnie Schneider's book because he knows what he's talking about.
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stonesrule
I was around for quite a lot of the pre-Altamont discussions
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Eleanor Rigby
Yep...wait for ron's book I think...the only one who can legitimately comment.
I would personally think the Measles took advantage of their opportunity.
Imagine as a film maker you were told of a free concert..and even better one that had some people die..gold!!!
Keep it up also swiss...very good
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71Tele
My summation of Altamont:
"Beware of unintended consequences."
That's all you really need to know.
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Palace Revolution 2000
The Gimme Shelter film really paints a good picture of how the festival came to be. From what we know the Stones felt like they wanted to give back to the US after the great tour. Maybe they felt that since they missed Woodstock, and that they had done Hyde Park in UK, they should do their own festival in USA. Mel Belli was instrumental in putting it together, the Grateful Dead manger too, and Mike Lang is seen too. Maybe one of the main problems was that there was not really anyone in charge.
Also , it was the 60's and things were done differently than nowadays. matter of fact, the lessons learned from Altamont played a big part in bringing about the first changes in tightening up these huge get-togethers. It had to be obvious to the movers and shakers that this concept was here to stay, that the market, and the music was only going to get bigger.
GIMME SHELTER movie really paints a good picture but also a kind of only picture we have of whatever involved with Altamont. Most of us, I think, do think the whole thing in terms of that movie. if I have understood right, one of the leading ideas in swiss's project is to offer different perspectives into it, or at least widen up the given perspective.
But that said, I agree with you said of its contextual, oddly lead, experimental nature, which, in the end, gave a lesson for upcoming events like that.
- Doxa
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71Tele
My summation of Altamont:
"Beware of unintended consequences."
That's all you really need to know.