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Nikkei
i don't wanna sound revisionist as i am german. =)
but i'm thoroughly convinced that, if ABB came out
as i sequenced it (again: Old Habits die Hard as a
Stones Song! why does no-one want to share an opinion
on that??) we would today regard it as the classic
of the latter-day Stones opus. feel free to comment^^

In my "dream line-up" for ABB Old Habits Die Hard always replaced Streets Of Love but I also always included "Blue" which is the best song any Stones member recorded since the early 90's - and it's absolutely not understandable why it was "hidden" on a Jagger solo b-side and therefore not even known by some Stones fans. If it sounded too "stonesy" for Goddess Mick could as well have saved "Blue" for ABB - which, together with the inclusion of Old Habits would have raised the songwriting level of ABB considerably.

And, one more, the Stones could also have covered Peter Wolf's "Nothing But The Wheel" for ABB (Mick's duetting on Peter's version anyways!) and by omitting the substandart songs on ABB the album would suddenly turn out simply great.



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alimente
...but I also always included "Blue" which is the best song any Stones member recorded since the early 90's - and it's absolutely not understandable why it was "hidden" on a Jagger solo b-side and therefore not even known by some Stones fans. If it sounded too "stonesy" for Goddess Mick could as well have saved "Blue" for ABB - which, together with the inclusion of Old Habits would have raised the songwriting level of ABB considerably.

thanks for your opinion.
but aw mah gawd, now you got me all excited!
could you please send me this track per eMail?
can't seem to find it on YT



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Blue is on Youtube.





The thing about the "this solo song would have made that Stones album a classic" argument is that perhaps these songs in question just might not have been right for the Stones to begin with.

Take Don't Tear Me Up--it has this herky-jerky time signature that Charlie might have had a problem with.

And Old Habits Die Hard doesn't have much room for a two-guitar bite and steady Charlie backbeat, it just kind of glides along. My guess is that this is one of those tracks that Keith might have absented himself from the studio sessions for, like Anybody Seen My Baby.

Besides, the focus of A Bigger Bang, song-wise, was that they were writing together in the same room, at least mostly. Habits is one that Mick wrote entirely on his own, and I believe it was in collaboration with Dave Stewart, so it never could have been a Stones song anyway.

But this is one of the reasons why Mick's solo career was doomed from the start--besides the fact that he started it too late (in his forties)--whenever he does come up with anything good, it is never appreciated for what it is, but instead is coveted by Stones fans as a missed opportunity for the band to shine.

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stonehearted
Habits is one that Mick wrote entirely on his own.

please don't try to tell me that Keef was involved in
the writing of Streets of Love. someone said he merely
threw a little Fairy Dust over it. for Jagger it seems to
work both ways. well i just listened to Blue (thanks for
pointing it out on YT) and have to agree, this would've
made a great Stones Song. the harp alone! you just have
to imagine the right guitars where the glossy
guitars are. that goes for Old Habits as well.
Sheryl of course stays in there

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stonehearted
Habits is one that Mick wrote entirely on his own.

please don't try to tell me that Keef was involved in
the writing of Streets of Love. someone said he merely
threw a little Fairy Dust over it. for Jagger it seems to
work both ways. well i just listened to Blue (thanks for
pointing it out on YT) and have to agree, this would've
made a great Stones Song. the harp alone! you just have
to imagine the right guitars where the glossy
guitars are. that goes for Old Habits as well.
Sheryl of course stays in there

I'm not trying to tell you anything, except this:

Streets Of Love (Jagger/Richards)
Old Habits Die Hard (Jagger/Stewart)

Only one of the above tracks could have been on ABB, for obvious reasons.

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Nikkei

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stonehearted
Habits is one that Mick wrote entirely on his own.

please don't try to tell me that Keef was involved in
the writing of Streets of Love. someone said he merely
threw a little Fairy Dust over it. for Jagger it seems to
work both ways. well i just listened to Blue (thanks for
pointing it out on YT) and have to agree, this would've
made a great Stones Song. the harp alone! you just have
to imagine the right guitars where the glossy
guitars are. that goes for Old Habits as well.
Sheryl of course stays in there

I'm not trying to tell you anything, except this:

Streets Of Love (Jagger/Richards)
Old Habits Die Hard (Jagger/Stewart)

Only one of the above tracks could have been on ABB, for obvious reasons.

Yeah, but in my dreamworld I always go for what could/should have been for artistic reasons, not for what could have been given the complexities of the legal situation.

Besides, didn't the Stones "buy" IORR from Ronnie Wood? And of course there was KD Lang in the credits of Anybody Seen My Baby along with Jagger/Richards, so why not Jagger/Richards/Stewart.

ANYTHING can be done if they really want it (for the glory, or less pathetic, for artistic reasons) and don't settle for the easy route!



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stonehearted
I'm not trying to tell you anything, except this:
Streets Of Love (Jagger/Richards)
Old Habits Die Hard (Jagger/Stewart)
Only one of the above tracks could have been on ABB, for obvious reasons.

the Glimmers have stated in various interviews that
they always use Jagger/Richards no matter how much
one of them was involved. i raise you
-Doom & Gloom
-One more Shot
-Anybody seen my Baby
-How can i stop
as far as Dave Stewart goes, since SuperHeavy i'm
beginning to suspect this guy is only capable of
playing one single powerchord, which he spices up
with delay to make it mildly interesting. it's all
over that record. amazingly he was able to pull some
kind of lasting career out of it. point is, even
though he is credited, his influence on Old Habits
was probably marginal. and the lyrics. they just
have to be about the Mick-Keef relationship.
this is a lost Stones opportunity in my book.
lest they would decide to rehearse it and play
it live. wouldn't you be raving? come on

<<there was KD Lang in the credits of Anybody Seen My Baby along with Jagger/Richards>>

Which was added after the fact, at Keith's insistence, to protect them from a lawsuit. Keith was playing a demo one day for one of his daughters, and during the chorus she would sing instead "Con-stant Cra-ving", after which Keith checked it out for himself and went "Oh, @#$%^!"

KD Lang's name in the credits is not evidence of collaboration, but instead an admission of plagiarism. Upon being informed that she had been included in the writing credits for the song, Lang was reportedly "very flattered."

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stonehearted
KD Lang's name in the credits is not evidence of collaboration, but instead an admission of plagiarism.

No it's not.

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stonehearted
KD Lang's name in the credits is not evidence of collaboration, but instead an admission of plagiarism.

No it's not.

it's beside the point. Anybody seen my Baby is an example for
a song where Keef is credited, yet obviously kdlang and Mick
did the actual songwriting. much of the impressive guitar work
is Waddy Wachtel, too. so why bother with details?

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RoughJusticeOnYa
This one works well (for me) in car, basement, bar & sofa (have yet to try the bedroom ):

1. Rough justice
2. She saw me coming
3. Rain fall down
4. Streets of love
5. Back of my hand
6. Biggest mistake

*(vinyl break)*

7. Infamy
8. Sweet neo-con
9. Laugh (I nearly died)
10. This place is empty
11. Oh no, not you again
12. Driving to fast

hey RoughJusticeOnYa,
how did your shirt-thing work out from Werchter and beyond?
i am still wildly interested in those =)

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stonehearted
<<there was KD Lang in the credits of Anybody Seen My Baby along with Jagger/Richards>>

Which was added after the fact, at Keith's insistence, to protect them from a lawsuit. Keith was playing a demo one day for one of his daughters, and during the chorus she would sing instead "Con-stant Cra-ving", after which Keith checked it out for himself and went "Oh, @#$%^!"

KD Lang's name in the credits is not evidence of collaboration, but instead an admission of plagiarism. Upon being informed that she had been included in the writing credits for the song, Lang was reportedly "very flattered."

I knew you would jump on this, but by your logic Anybody Seen My Baby should have been cancelled and replaced by a "true" Jagger/Richards composition. By the way, wasn't even Pierre listed as co-author on a BTB track, Thief In The Night? That was a genuine collaboration, as far as I recall the circumstances.

Anybody Seen My KD was a true Jagger/Richards composition--they just added on the Lang/Mink credit after the fact as a precaution to acknowledge the [cough] "influence".

True, Thief In The Night was a song Keith wrote with his guitar tech--but at least de Beauport, as an employee, is within the Stones organization, unlike, say, Dave Stewart.

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alimente
...but I also always included "Blue" which is the best song any Stones member recorded since the early 90's - and it's absolutely not understandable why it was "hidden" on a Jagger solo b-side and therefore not even known by some Stones fans. If it sounded too "stonesy" for Goddess Mick could as well have saved "Blue" for ABB - which, together with the inclusion of Old Habits would have raised the songwriting level of ABB considerably.

totally right, another lost Stones opportunity. sharp bluesharp.
i can vividly imagine Keef singing the "it's a long long way down"
it would've been a counterpart to Bon Scott's "long way to the top"

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stonehearted
True, Thief In The Night was a song Keith wrote with his guitar tech--but at least de Beauport, as an employee, is within the Stones organization

i didn't mention that one, i went for HCIS. crediting
Jagger for that is an obvious joke. they could've better
credited Mr Watts for the outro or even Blondie Chaplin.

why don't revive Nanker Phelge for such occasions?

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stonehearted
True, Thief In The Night was a song Keith wrote with his guitar tech--but at least de Beauport, as an employee, is within the Stones organization, unlike, say, Dave Stewart.

Bah, that's nitpicking! Stones employee or not - this just shows that if there's a will, there's a way!

Yes, in 50+ years Mick does not know what he is doing.

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alimente
I knew you would jump on this, but by your logic Anybody Seen My Baby should have been cancelled and replaced by a "true" Jagger/Richards composition. By the way, wasn't even Pierre listed as co-author on a BTB track, Thief In The Night? That was a genuine collaboration, as far as I recall the circumstances.

all in the organization. Nanker Phelge. who tilted this towards B2B anyway?
i actually just threw around some B2B tracks as evidence that the Glimmers
don't think that much about writing credits. let's focus on discussing
the 2005 batch of songs again.

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leteyer
Yes, in 50+ years Mick does not know what he is doing.

nobody would dare to deny that the man knows what he's doing.
but does he care what he's doing? after Superheavy, i sometimes
think he doesn't give a damn about what's on the records anymore.
and wishful thinking about SOL in Alfie and Old Habits on
ABB instead doesn't equal saying he doesn't know what he's doing.