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pmk251
Who was it that said to Lennon?: Your songs are not about anything. I love you. You love me. You love him, etc. Lennon justifiably took that comment as an insult and a challenge and the fate of The Beatles was sealed. Lennon's songwriting would turn more and more inward until the band was no longer an inspiration or needed. His formula was at once simple and daunting. "Tell the truth, make it rhyme and give it a back beat." It was the tell the truth part that set him apart from other artists. John could write a crap song, but no one accused him of BSing his fans or himself. From the POB to Beautiful Boy to Watching The Wheels he was an artist of the highest order. He had the talent to give of himself. At his best he and his art were inseparable. It is a rough way to choose to go. It takes great courage.
At some point in the mid-'70's questions were asked of McCartney and the Stones: Is this it? Do you have anything else to give other than mere entertainment? Both artists' response was no. Paul set it out in Simple Love Songs and Jagger's was in IORR. The latter song especially was a clear declaration: Do not expect anything more from me. I do not have it. I think history has proven that statement correct. My problem with IORR is the song itself. It mocks artists with its economic power and vast popularity. It cheapens the genre of the music itself.
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buttons67
in my opinion "jumping jack flash", "brown sugar" and "paint it black" are the 3 most iconic rolling stones songs and should be or should have been played every gig possible.
i dont believe songs like "its only rock and roll", "tumbling dice" and "start me up" should be played every gig,
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24FPS
Don't really understand why this song got elevated to a warhorse. It's a minor song in the Stone's canon that signaled a pulling back after the glory years. It's almost as if the title is more important than the song. But they'll make you hear it at every show. And yet it's only the 2nd most obnoxious song on their calcified setlist, the winner being Sympathy For the Devil.
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pmk251
Who was it that said to Lennon?: Your songs are not about anything. I love you. You love me. You love him, etc. Lennon justifiably took that comment as an insult and a challenge and the fate of The Beatles was sealed. Lennon's songwriting would turn more and more inward until the band was no longer an inspiration or needed. His formula was at once simple and daunting. "Tell the truth, make it rhyme and give it a back beat." It was the tell the truth part that set him apart from other artists. John could write a crap song, but no one accused him of BSing his fans or himself. From the POB to Beautiful Boy to Watching The Wheels he was an artist of the highest order. He had the talent to give of himself. At his best he and his art were inseparable. It is a rough way to choose to go. It takes great courage.
At some point in the mid-'70's questions were asked of McCartney and the Stones: Is this it? Do you have anything else to give other than mere entertainment? Both artists' response was no. Paul set it out in Simple Love Songs and Jagger's was in IORR. The latter song especially was a clear declaration: Do not expect anything more from me. I do not have it. I think history has proven that statement correct. My problem with IORR is the song itself. It mocks artists with its economic power and vast popularity. It cheapens the genre of the music itself.
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rob51
Love the studio guitar sound on this one. Kind of like Honky Tonk though they've never come close to replicating that sound live so each other version pales by comparison. Quess it's next to impossible to find that sound live.
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DandelionPowderman
Well, I disagree on all points. Not bad
I agree on Bill excelling the songs, not bringing them up from sub par live.
If you listen closely to the First Barbarians-album/dvd, you'll find that Keith is all over IGMOATD as well.
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DandelionPowderman
Well, I disagree on all points. Not bad
I agree on Bill excelling the songs, not bringing them up from sub par live.
If you listen closely to the First Barbarians-album/dvd, you'll find that Keith is all over IGMOATD as well.
You mean the Kilburn shows, which were by no means Barbaric in name or nature.
Yes he played live guitar there - on all tracks - unlike on the album.
Now I WILL leave it there and we can return to navel picking on another thread at some future date.
Good to have something to look forward to after the tour is over!
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Deluxtone
Jagger on the LYL version wasn't that great
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DandelionPowderman
'The message was - Not Here and Now but Later. Repeat this slowly and clearly to yourself'
A little arrogant today? Er, more like every day, seemingly...
You can chew on this: IORR is great - the studio version AND the live versions. The former because of Mick and Keith (thank you for writing it, Ronnie!). The live versions mainly because of Keith. The exception is the LYL version, where Mick sings in a (for him) better key (G), and undoubtedly delivers more powerful vocals (like his style or not).
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DandelionPowderman
'The message was - Not Here and Now but Later. Repeat this slowly and clearly to yourself'
A little arrogant today? Er, more like every day, seemingly...
You can chew on this: IORR is great - the studio version AND the live versions. The former because of Mick and Keith (thank you for writing it, Ronnie!). The live versions mainly because of Keith. The exception is the LYL version, where Mick sings in a (for him) better key (G), and undoubtedly delivers more powerful vocals (like his style or not).
My Dear boy,
I believe that had you been a young and wide-eyed kid in the late sixties and early seventies and had experienced/lived these singles in lamost successive years - JJF, HTW, BS, TD, Angie ....... and then a relatively banal singalong ditty pandering to poppy glam of the time ... then you'd understand where I am and was - along with many others - coming from ......
So that's why there was not a lot to sing and dance about when it was released - nor did it do very well.
As you will no doubt be aware, the studio version has K Jones and Willie Weeks on it. And this was a new 'Stones' single?
'not such hot potatoes' as Nick Kent remarked when reviewing the album.
Live it took on a new dimension - as N Kent also acknowledged in his review of LYL.
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Rockman
....never topped the classic studio version ... man that record was a cut & paste job before the term was even invented
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DandelionPowderman
'The message was - Not Here and Now but Later. Repeat this slowly and clearly to yourself'
A little arrogant today? Er, more like every day, seemingly...
You can chew on this: IORR is great - the studio version AND the live versions. The former because of Mick and Keith (thank you for writing it, Ronnie!). The live versions mainly because of Keith. The exception is the LYL version, where Mick sings in a (for him) better key (G), and undoubtedly delivers more powerful vocals (like his style or not).
My Dear boy,
I believe that had you been a young and wide-eyed kid in the late sixties and early seventies and had experienced/lived these singles in lamost successive years - JJF, HTW, BS, TD, Angie ....... and then a relatively banal singalong ditty pandering to poppy glam of the time ... then you'd understand where I am and was - along with many others - coming from ......
So that's why there was not a lot to sing and dance about when it was released - nor did it do very well.
As you will no doubt be aware, the studio version has K Jones and Willie Weeks on it. And this was a new 'Stones' single?
'not such hot potatoes' as Nick Kent remarked when reviewing the album.
Live it took on a new dimension - as N Kent also acknowledged in his review of LYL.
I hear you, pa!
SAL and Heaven can't be good songs either with that logic.
Nick Kent, the voice of reason. Mr Profound himself. I bet Ronnie still hurts after Keith's right hook in 1982, right?
I forgot that you know more about music than me, and that your taste is superior because you're old...
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GasLightStreet
It is a rather bland song. There's nothing exceptional or good about it. It's simply average, pedestrian even. Sure it has a nice groove but that's not the main deal. It's the title sung over and over that made it such a pervasive FM Classic Rock Radio staple.
Funny how Keith has always shut Ronnie up about talking about how it was recorded. The first thievery by Jagger-Richards of something Ronnie wrote.
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GasLightStreet
Funny how Keith has always shut Ronnie up about talking about how it was recorded. The first thievery by Jagger-Richards of something Ronnie wrote.
More like a trade, according to the legend...