The first of the so called "Stones by numbers" tracks. Its 3 minutes too long, and it kicks off what is probably the weakest album side in Stones history.

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Silver Train is nothing more than an outtake.

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I'll go out on limb here and say that it is highly improbable that The Stones would choose to produce an official promotional video of an outtake

That depends on the quality of the album, in which they weren´t at all happy with to start with.

I would have chosen Star Star if I were them at the time, though. It´s not much better, but at least it has a killer chorus, something Silver Train sorely lacks, imo.

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Great song, with a soaring slide part by Mick Taylor on Goats Head Soup. Could there have been better somgs on Goats Head Soup? Of course. The outtakes from this album are really good.

The biggest problem with Goats Head Soup imho is the mix. I still wonder if there is an altenative Jimmy Miller mix for the whole album (or for most of the songs) As I think this will be superiour to the mix as is on the album.

Seek out the alternate mix of Silver Train. I've got it on the First Decade box set. The album version is kind of like a neutered, dry mix, while the other has Mick really singing like he means it and a nice, muddy Exile sound to it.

Not sure if this is the one you mean, but this version has a lot more life to it.
If we can have ER and MY in the same show then I don't see why ADTL and Silver Train couldn't be either.

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Silver Train is nothing more than an outtake.

Mathijs

I'll go out on limb here and say that it is highly improbable that The Stones would choose to produce an official promotional video of an outtake

That depends on the quality of the album, in which they weren´t at all happy with to start with.

I would have chosen Star Star if I were them at the time, though. It´s not much better, but at least it has a killer chorus, something Silver Train sorely lacks, imo.

Star star is second class at best, cheesy and weak. Silver Train has the GHS nostalgic mood. Listening to it I want to get on the train immediately and ride to some hot place with a lotta love.

I have tried, but it takes too much effort to really like Silver Train. But I feel that way about most of this album. It sounds like it was recorded with eyes on the clock. Winter is pretty, but trite. My favorite song on the album, Hide Your Love, truly does sound like an outtake, but at least it hits groove. Coming Down Again is appropriately named. The rest of the album just feels contrived.

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Silver Train is nothing more than an outtake.

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I'll go out on limb here and say that it is highly improbable that The Stones would choose to produce an official promotional video of an outtake

Within I'm what Mathijs means is that Silver Train sounds like it's an outtake from an earlier album. In other words, it's not a strong track. I agree.

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Silver Train is nothing more than an outtake.

Mathijs

I'll go out on limb here and say that it is highly improbable that The Stones would choose to produce an official promotional video of an outtake

That depends on the quality of the album, in which they weren´t at all happy with to start with.

I would have chosen Star Star if I were them at the time, though. It´s not much better, but at least it has a killer chorus, something Silver Train sorely lacks, imo.

Star star is second class at best, cheesy and weak. Silver Train has the GHS nostalgic mood. Listening to it I want to get on the train immediately and ride to some hot place with a lotta love.

The band obviously diasagree with you

Maybe they got the GHS nostalgia now, though.

You´re not talking about the GHS nostalgic mood here, you´re talking about Taylor´s guitar, right?

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Silver Train is nothing more than an outtake.

Mathijs

I'll go out on limb here and say that it is highly improbable that The Stones would choose to produce an official promotional video of an outtake

That depends on the quality of the album, in which they weren´t at all happy with to start with.

I would have chosen Star Star if I were them at the time, though. It´s not much better, but at least it has a killer chorus, something Silver Train sorely lacks, imo.

Star star is second class at best, cheesy and weak. Silver Train has the GHS nostalgic mood. Listening to it I want to get on the train immediately and ride to some hot place with a lotta love.

The band obviously diasagree with you

Maybe they got the GHS nostalgia now, though.

You´re not talking about the GHS nostalgic mood here, you´re talking about Taylor´s guitar, right?

Both, Dandie, they belong together.

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I have tried, but it takes too much effort to really like Silver Train. But I feel that way about most of this album. It sounds like it was recorded with eyes on the clock. Winter is pretty, but trite. My favorite song on the album, Hide Your Love, truly does sound like an outtake, but at least it hits groove. Coming Down Again is appropriately named. The rest of the album just feels contrived.

Exile is American, GHS is European.

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Silver Train is nothing more than an outtake.

Mathijs

I'll go out on limb here and say that it is highly improbable that The Stones would choose to produce an official promotional video of an outtake

That depends on the quality of the album, in which they weren´t at all happy with to start with.

I would have chosen Star Star if I were them at the time, though. It´s not much better, but at least it has a killer chorus, something Silver Train sorely lacks, imo.

Star star is second class at best, cheesy and weak. Silver Train has the GHS nostalgic mood. Listening to it I want to get on the train immediately and ride to some hot place with a lotta love.

The band obviously diasagree with you

Maybe they got the GHS nostalgia now, though.

You´re not talking about the GHS nostalgic mood here, you´re talking about Taylor´s guitar, right?

Both, Dandie, they belong together.

So, you don´t get the GHS nostalgia from Coming Down Again or Angie?

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Silver Train is nothing more than an outtake.

Mathijs

I'll go out on limb here and say that it is highly improbable that The Stones would choose to produce an official promotional video of an outtake

That depends on the quality of the album, in which they weren´t at all happy with to start with.

I would have chosen Star Star if I were them at the time, though. It´s not much better, but at least it has a killer chorus, something Silver Train sorely lacks, imo.

Star star is second class at best, cheesy and weak. Silver Train has the GHS nostalgic mood. Listening to it I want to get on the train immediately and ride to some hot place with a lotta love.

The band obviously diasagree with you

Maybe they got the GHS nostalgia now, though.

You´re not talking about the GHS nostalgic mood here, you´re talking about Taylor´s guitar, right?

Both, Dandie, they belong together.

So, you don´t get the GHS nostalgia from Coming Down Again or Angie?

Of course I do, from the whole album except Star star.

It's an outtake to me as it doesn't have a real hook, something exiting, something that stands out. It sounds like Keith had this intro riff, which isn't all that original, and that's really all there is to the song. Jagger's vocal melody isn't inspired, the lyrics are week. It's really much like Chris Cross Man/Save Me. It has a nice guitar riff, but that's all there is. It doesn't go anywhere and should have stayed an outtake.

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It's an outtake to me as it doesn't have a real hook, something exiting, something that stands out. It sounds like Keith had this intro riff, which isn't all that original, and that's really all there is to the song. Jagger's vocal melody isn't inspired, the lyrics are week. It's really much like Chris Cross Man/Save Me. It has a nice guitar riff, but that's all there is. It doesn't go anywhere and should have stayed an outtake.

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You could say this about most of their studio output since Voodoo Lounge, in my opinion. At least Silver Train had the classic line up and rhythm section going for it.

Silver Train(like Dance little sister ) isn't a complex song but it kicks ass; it doesn't need to be polished more than it is.Jagger's vocal performance on it is amazing because he gives everything he's got in that song; that is the way I hear that song and that is the way I have always felt about it. It is one of those songs that some persons really like or others think it's garbage. I hope they play it live in few weeks.
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Mops

To me, the "did not know her name" refrain is a great hook, especially Mick and Keith's voices together. Love it.

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It's an outtake to me as it doesn't have a real hook, something exiting, something that stands out. It sounds like Keith had this intro riff, which isn't all that original, and that's really all there is to the song. Jagger's vocal melody isn't inspired, the lyrics are week. It's really much like Chris Cross Man/Save Me. It has a nice guitar riff, but that's all there is. It doesn't go anywhere and should have stayed an outtake.

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You could say this about most of their studio output since Voodoo Lounge, in my opinion. At least Silver Train had the classic line up and rhythm section going for it.

Thats what makes it even worse. Even "the classic line up" couldnt polish this turd.

May be a case can be made to defense Silver Train; Mick and keith must have thought that the song was solid enough to offer it to Johnny Winter. You don't write songs for others and give it to them if you don'y think it's a good song. And Johnny took it and covered it pretty close to the stones 's version which tells us that Johnny Winter must have thought that the song was great as it was.
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There are probably 30 songs that I like more than Silver Train (to take Tele´s reasoning seriously), from their studio output since VL. They aren´t necessarily rockers, though.

It´s a bit of a stretch to determine the lineup as classic, too, imo. Many would say the original lineup is the classic one.

In the "unsinpired rocker-genre" I´d take Love Is Strong, Lowdown and Rough Justice any day over Silver Train. Simply, because there are lots more going on in those tracks.

Is it really Keith playing on ST, btw? I´ve always thought it was Mick...

I like the outtake of silver train, more acoustic guitar?

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It's an outtake to me as it doesn't have a real hook, something exiting, something that stands out. It sounds like Keith had this intro riff, which isn't all that original, and that's really all there is to the song. Jagger's vocal melody isn't inspired, the lyrics are week. It's really much like Chris Cross Man/Save Me. It has a nice guitar riff, but that's all there is. It doesn't go anywhere and should have stayed an outtake.

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You don't like Silver Train but you like Plunder My Soul? Go figure.

Plunder my soul is awful,
Fake song

Is Taylor in an opening tuning? Or did he maybe just drop the high E to D for that signature riff? Also that solo in this and ADTL, anyone know how to do that really fast triplet (almost like a pull-off)? I could never get that. Unless it's the "how do you get to Carnegie Hall? line.

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Is Taylor in an opening tuning? Or did he maybe just drop the high E to D for that signature riff? Also that solo in this and ADTL, anyone know how to do that really fast triplet (almost like a pull-off)? I could never get that. Unless it's the "how do you get to Carnegie Hall? line.

You mean the main riff? That's just a standard Keith lick, played with the G and B strings - with the first string tuned in D ringing open.

Taylor's slide is in standard tuning, Keith in open G.

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May be a case can be made to defense Silver Train; Mick and keith must have thought that the song was solid enough to offer it to Johnny Winter. You don't write songs for others and give it to them if you don'y think it's a good song. And Johnny took it and covered it pretty close to the stones 's version which tells us that Johnny Winter must have thought that the song was great as it was.
Rock and roll,
Mops

You can also turn this around: they had this song already from 1969 on, and never got around releasing it as they had so much better material. Winter liked it, thought he could make it his own from a slide perspective, and Jagger/Richards didn't mind giving it to him. They did not intend to release it themselves. Then it was 1973, and GHS needed some rockers, and this was all they had on a short notice.

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Plunder my soul is awful,
Fake song

Totally agree. The songs a joke.

I don't know what's the matter with you all (that don't like it)....it's a good fun fast song with all the characteristics of trad railroad blues, but in this case the train's careering along. Whenever I put this on loud I feel like I'm standing on that part over the wheels where the carriages join.....when it goes over the points is extra good fun......brilliant.
My only question is which came first, the lyrics or the song......



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It's an outtake to me as it doesn't have a real hook, something exiting, something that stands out. It sounds like Keith had this intro riff, which isn't all that original, and that's really all there is to the song. Jagger's vocal melody isn't inspired, the lyrics are week.

This could be said of the majority of Stones songs released since GHS. Silver Train may well be pretty derivative - derivative output from a blues band, who ever heard of that? - but that doesn't make it an outtake, just a generic album track. It's mostly a vehicle for Taylor's slide playing, sure, but I'll take that over Ronnie's sloppy, tuneless garbage any day.

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Some people are under the illusion that MT is only a "kick out the solos" machine, when I'd love just as much to hear those songs that he adds little touches to live. Slipping Away? Sure, let's see what happens.

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It's an outtake to me as it doesn't have a real hook, something exiting, something that stands out. It sounds like Keith had this intro riff, which isn't all that original, and that's really all there is to the song. Jagger's vocal melody isn't inspired, the lyrics are week.

This could be said of the majority of Stones songs released since GHS. Silver Train may well be pretty derivative - derivative output from a blues band, who ever heard of that? - but that doesn't make it an outtake, just a generic album track. It's mostly a vehicle for Taylor's slide playing, sure, but I'll take that over Ronnie's sloppy, tuneless garbage any day.

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Some people are under the illusion that MT is only a "kick out the solos" machine, when I'd love just as much to hear those songs that he adds little touches to live. Slipping Away? Sure, let's see what happens.

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Likewise!

It's more generic than the others, and the spice isn't really firing it up...

The song will be soon in Rene's Talks, so I hope you guys don't waste all your bullets here...

- Doxa