So if it's a conspiracy then why not look at it as premeditated? Why does the conspiracy have to be a beef that went wrong? This is Brian were talkin about.

Noooo, nothing is for sale. The website is my personal "bare bones" list of the Stones catalog. I will trade the domain name for a few Stones CD's im looking for.

Exactly! I think it was premeditated, because it was too quickly and too neatly covered up.

Also, there is the matter of the dope-laden meat pie that Thorogood prepared in advance--and a bottle of Brian's prescription drugs (Durophet) was found in a pocket of Thorogood's jacket by a police detective after Brian's death. Perhaps the doping was done to weaken Brian ahead of time, make him more susceptible to foul play so that he wouldn't put up too much of a struggle....

There you go, keep going!!! Take it outside though because thats where it happened.

The Durophet is an amphetamine and I probably would have snatched that myself being Brian wasn't going to be needing it anymore.

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Brian sure was a man of style. Mesmerizing to watch him in the old videos.

I don't get it. He wasn't attractive to me at all. Not only was he abusive to women, he anally raped Nico, which is in her autobiography. The guy had issues. I can't get past that side of him. I also think the Mick Taylor-era Stones are the BEST.

You wouldn't have had that era had Brian been in any way different to how he actually was. It's not the true Rolling Stones though.

Your stance is understandable, but if people allow such things get in the way of music a lot of albums need to be thrown out of people's music collections because the world of music is full of total bastards and bitches.

You ought to also consider Jagger assaulting a woman, which he didn't deny. Getting aggressive with Marianne. Keith firing gun in a room full of people. Keith pointing a gun at someone's face. Bill banging a 13/14 year old.

well stated on all points, HM. Gypsy 18, getting past the bad sides of those who exhibit sick bi-polar type abusive behaviors is not easy, be glad you don't live with some, but many of them achieve brilliance in their fields. Also feel Brian's loss of his baby sister in childhood contributed to his screwed-up personality. Have never heard anyone who has gone thru that say they emerged unscathed.

I was raised by a bipolar mother. I don't have to get past Brian's abusive behavior, and I never will

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Brian sure was a man of style. Mesmerizing to watch him in the old videos.

I don't get it. He wasn't attractive to me at all. Not only was he abusive to women, he anally raped Nico, which is in her autobiography. The guy had issues. I can't get past that side of him. I also think the Mick Taylor-era Stones are the BEST.

You wouldn't have had that era had Brian been in any way different to how he actually was. It's not the true Rolling Stones though.

Your stance is understandable, but if people allow such things get in the way of music a lot of albums need to be thrown out of people's music collections because the world of music is full of total bastards and bitches.

You ought to also consider Jagger assaulting a woman, which he didn't deny. Getting aggressive with Marianne. Keith firing gun in a room full of people. Keith pointing a gun at someone's face. Bill banging a 13/14 year old.

well stated on all points, HM. Gypsy 18, getting past the bad sides of those who exhibit sick bi-polar type abusive behaviors is not easy, be glad you don't live with some, but many of them achieve brilliance in their fields. Also feel Brian's loss of his baby sister in childhood contributed to his screwed-up personality. Have never heard anyone who has gone thru that say they emerged unscathed.

I was raised by a bipolar mother. I don't have to get past Brian's abusive behavior, and I never will

are you able to appreciate or at least recognize his musical contributions?

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Then what was found?

Buy the book and find out.

I'll dig up some toxicology reports...

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I was raised by a bipolar mother. I don't have to get past Brian's abusive behavior, and I never will

Ah well, acceptance of the others violence towards others and dodgy ways it is then.

Meanwhile, another Brian book.

I remember when Dawn Molloy began posting on the LARS board in 2008 how excited forum members were to have someone posting there who had actually known Brian.

I've skimmed through the 4-chapter sample of the kindle version on Amazon. Very well written and provides a detailed glimpse as to what life was like in early 1960s Britain, particularly how the educational system was structured--and divided--between boys and girls.

Amazing moment when one her daughters bursts into the house one day ecstatic over having tickets to see The Rolling Stones--apparently unaware of the connection her mother has to their story.

From chapter 1: "Nadine could never guess, and I had hoped would never know, the reason the extensive record collection that her father and I had did not include one single Stone's record was not because we did not like the music. If she had known the truth, perhaps the ecstasy of her Stone's ticket would have been kept to herself."

Amazon customer reviews are all enthusiastic five stars. Perhaps it will be worth checking out--hope a print version becomes available at some point.

It seems as though she was granted permission to quote Jagger/Richards song lyrics in full at the start of each chapter. I don't recall whether any other Stones "biographers" have been granted similar permissions.

Only three customer reviews, though, so tough to judge.

Apparently she's working on getting a print version out.

Poor Dawn, glad she managed to be reunited with her son!

A new to us perspective from someone who knew them. Better to buy this than yet another murder theory book.

I look forward to reading the book - tell me, does it address the chlorine issue - when the death certificate states "immersion in fresh water"?

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Yes, poor Dawn. She had been violated in so many ways.

The first time, from her first son being ripped from her. That was a wound one can never overcome as a mother. The next wound was from this man (the first offspring) admitted to me he wanted to hurt her in every way. And you know what? HE DID! Violence is his middle name. Slander, Lies and Cheating is an everyday thing for Dawn's son. If Bipolar disorder is a genetic disorder, then I believe her son fully encompassed that from Brian. This is coming from an individual who has known him for many years.

Many doctors told us Bipolar is hereditary. When someone has it, there's a predisposition for offspring, they've explained.

@#$%& sake.

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Sorry, His Majesty.

No need for sorry.

I really feel bad for Dawn. She has to give away her son, then they are re-united decades later only for him to be an arse to her!?

Awful.

Just adding this to an existing Brian thread:

Nico with Jimmy Page and Brian Jones

More "breaking news" regarding the publication of The Final Truth, with the print version due out in November along with a companion DVD.

In addition to this, today on the authors' Facebook page for the book a snippet of a police report appears filed by a businessman with the surname Jones who while staying at a hotel in Spain received a threatening phone call that was evidently intended for Brian Jones, who was also staying at the hotel, but was put through to him in error. The event apparently occurred just days before Brian died.



BREAKING NEWS!!!

We have now confirmed the date for the launch party for the printed version on 14th November at the world famous 12 Bar Club in London's West End

More details to follow as they become available

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BRIAN JONES - THE FINAL TRUTH
MORE BREAKING NEWS !!!

THERE WILL BE A DVD!!

Back in the early nineties, Terry started on his quest to find out the truth about the death of Brian Jones

As part of his research he took a camera crew to Cotchford Farm and recorded interviews with, amongst others, Tom Keylock and Frank Thorogood

We have now converted this footage for the 21st Century !!

In 2005, Terry was in Morocco on location with the Steve Woolley film "Stoned", which was based on Terry's book - we have his private video footage of that trip which we are in the process of converting

In 2009, just before his death, Tom Keylock agreed to give us a video interview - and much to our surprise, after years of denial, he finally confirmed that he WAS at Cotchford Farm on the night that Brian died.

Next week we will start pre-production on the DVD which will be a companion to the book

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More details at: [www.facebook.com]

How could a Spanish hotel manager possibly know who that (alleged) melodramatic-sounding phone call was intended for, and why would anybody complain to the hotel manager about the phone calls they're receiving? Why would the manager apologize on behalf of the hotel about a third-party phone call? Why--oh never mind! (I guess the only possible response is "read the book." )



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How could a Spanish hotel manager possibly know who that (alleged) melodramatic-sounding phone call was intended for, and why would anybody complain to the hotel manager about the phone calls they're receiving? Why would the manager apologize on behalf of the hotel about a third-party phone call? Why--oh never mind! (I guess the only possible response is "read the book." )

If I received threatening phone calls while a guest at a hotel, I'd complain to management.

I believe in FACTS.
Does anyone here know for certain that Brian was in Spain at this unnamed hotel
a few days before he died?

Perhaps Mr. Pendel will offer an enlightening post.

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How could a Spanish hotel manager possibly know who that (alleged) melodramatic-sounding phone call was intended for, and why would anybody complain to the hotel manager about the phone calls they're receiving? Why would the manager apologize on behalf of the hotel about a third-party phone call? Why--oh never mind! (I guess the only possible response is "read the book." )

If I received threatening phone calls while a guest at a hotel, I'd complain to management.

Why management? You'd call the cops, maybe, but what has the hotel got to do with somebody calling and making threats? They just happen to own the place that's being called. If you got a threatening phone call while you were at my house, you wouldn't hold me responsible (I hope!).

It's hard to believe that phone call ever actually happened anyway--it sounds like a bad B-movie.

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How could a Spanish hotel manager possibly know who that (alleged) melodramatic-sounding phone call was intended for, and why would anybody complain to the hotel manager about the phone calls they're receiving? Why would the manager apologize on behalf of the hotel about a third-party phone call? Why--oh never mind! (I guess the only possible response is "read the book." )

If I received threatening phone calls while a guest at a hotel, I'd complain to management.

Why management? You'd call the cops, maybe, but what has the hotel got to do with somebody calling and making threats? They just happen to own the place that's being called. If you got a threatening phone call while you were at my house, you wouldn't hold me responsible (I hope!).

It's hard to believe that phone call ever actually happened anyway--it sounds like a bad B-movie.

Rationale: Those third party calls went through the hotel switchboard, thus are traceable. Then this information can be relayed to police.

OK, true, back in the day the calls would have gone through a switchboard (they didn't have caller ID then, mind you, but I suppose they would still have been traceable). I think you'd probably still have been more likely to call the police if you got a call threatening to off you, but in any case it's probably moot as I'm highly dubious this call ever happened.

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How could a Spanish hotel manager possibly know who that (alleged) melodramatic-sounding phone call was intended for, and why would anybody complain to the hotel manager about the phone calls they're receiving? Why would the manager apologize on behalf of the hotel about a third-party phone call? Why--oh never mind! (I guess the only possible response is "read the book." )

If I received threatening phone calls while a guest at a hotel, I'd complain to management.

Why management? You'd call the cops, maybe, but what has the hotel got to do with somebody calling and making threats? They just happen to own the place that's being called. If you got a threatening phone call while you were at my house, you wouldn't hold me responsible (I hope!).

It's hard to believe that phone call ever actually happened anyway--it sounds like a bad B-movie.

But, he did contact police, and that's why we have an account of it now.

An English businessman with the surname Jones contacted the police because he stayed at a hotel in Spain, some time before Brian died, and received a threatening phone call one night. Brian was staying at the same hotel it turned out and apparently the phone call was put through to the wrong Mr Jones…

Source: [www.facebook.com]



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OK, true, back in the day the calls would have gone through a switchboard (they didn't have caller ID then, mind you, but I suppose they would still have been traceable). I think you'd probably still have been more likely to call the police if you got a call threatening to off you, but in any case it's probably moot as I'm highly dubious this call ever happened.

Calls thru switchboard traceable. Having been a crime reporter in Chicago, I know police are pleased for any information your legwork has garnered. Do not expect them to take the bull by the horns, YOU take the initiative to get the job done. Start at the base: origination of the threatening phone calls. Then hand them your information & let them run with it.

The police may have genuinely received a complaint, but I honestly find it hard to believe that the person genuinely received a call to that effect. I mean, seriously--"we're gonna get you, your days are numbered"? Why should we believe this guy? And I notice the Facebook page seems convinced the Freemasons are involved?

Sorry, I know how much people want this to be more than a tragic accident. I just don't see any convincing evidence.

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How could a Spanish hotel manager possibly know who that (alleged) melodramatic-sounding phone call was intended for, and why would anybody complain to the hotel manager about the phone calls they're receiving? Why would the manager apologize on behalf of the hotel about a third-party phone call? Why--oh never mind! (I guess the only possible response is "read the book." )

If I received threatening phone calls while a guest at a hotel, I'd complain to management.

Why management? You'd call the cops, maybe, but what has the hotel got to do with somebody calling and making threats? They just happen to own the place that's being called. If you got a threatening phone call while you were at my house, you wouldn't hold me responsible (I hope!).

It's hard to believe that phone call ever actually happened anyway--it sounds like a bad B-movie.

But, he did contact police, and that's why we have an account of it now.

An English businessman with the surname Jones contacted the police because he stayed at a hotel in Spain, some time before Brian died, and received a threatening phone call one night. Brian was staying at the same hotel it turned out and apparently the phone call was put through to the wrong Mr Jones…

Source: [www.facebook.com]

It's good protocol for the other Jones to contact police, hope he had some hotel phone logs to bolster his reports with. A death threat should never be taken in a cavalier fashion even if it does reach the wrong party. What if the alleged would-be-killers land on the wrong Jones door and kill him?