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It all begun with the stadium rock. The beginning of the inevitable end. The last true Stones concert (not a show) took place in October 1973.
The last full and true Rolling Stones concert took place in Apostolos Nikolaidis Stadium, Athens, Greece on 17th April 1967.
Additional session musicians onstage and a replacement guitarist is not true stones. ><
Well, then we must go back to 1969.
Those concerts until 69 were for screaming young teen girls and fighting teen boys with too much testosterone.
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It all begun with the stadium rock. The beginning of the inevitable end. The last true Stones concert (not a show) took place in October 1973.
The last full and true Rolling Stones concert took place in Apostolos Nikolaidis Stadium, Athens, Greece on 17th April 1967.
Additional session musicians onstage and a replacement guitarist is not true stones. ><
Well, then we must go back to 1969.
Those concerts until 69 were for screaming young teen girls and fighting teen boys with too much testosterone.
1969 still has the problem of the missing, kick starting Rolling Stones founding member.
Despite, but also because of the screaming girls and testosterone loaded boys, The Rolling Stones provided exciting, engaging music onstage. Lovely mass sing along on Ruby Tuesday as well during that 1967 tour.
A true live Rolling Stones experience, not one brought about through the aid of gifted, but essentially hired people.
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It all begun with the stadium rock. The beginning of the inevitable end. The last true Stones concert (not a show) took place in October 1973.
The last full and true Rolling Stones concert took place in Apostolos Nikolaidis Stadium, Athens, Greece on 17th April 1967.
Additional session musicians onstage and a replacement guitarist is not true stones. ><
Well, then we must go back to 1969.
Those concerts until 69 were for screaming young teen girls and fighting teen boys with too much testosterone.
1969 still has the problem of the missing, kick starting Rolling Stones founding member.
Despite, but also because of the screaming girls and testosterone loaded boys, The Rolling Stones provided exciting, engaging music onstage. Lovely mass sing along on Ruby Tuesday as well during that 1967 tour.
A true live Rolling Stones experience, not one brought about through the aid of gifted, but essentially hired people.
This comment speaks for itself: rancour. Well, deal with it.
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It all begun with the stadium rock. The beginning of the inevitable end. The last true Stones concert (not a show) took place in October 1973.
The last full and true Rolling Stones concert took place in Apostolos Nikolaidis Stadium, Athens, Greece on 17th April 1967.
Additional session musicians onstage and a replacement guitarist is not true stones. ><
Well, then we must go back to 1969.
Those concerts until 69 were for screaming young teen girls and fighting teen boys with too much testosterone.
1969 still has the problem of the missing, kick starting Rolling Stones founding member.
Despite, but also because of the screaming girls and testosterone loaded boys, The Rolling Stones provided exciting, engaging music onstage. Lovely mass sing along on Ruby Tuesday as well during that 1967 tour.
A true live Rolling Stones experience, not one brought about through the aid of gifted, but essentially hired people.
This comment speaks for itself: rancour. Well, deal with it.
"We recognise in others that which we know most deeply within ourselves."
- Robert Fripp
Neither you or I have experienced the true Rolling Stones live in concert. Deal with your denial.
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It all begun with the stadium rock. The beginning of the inevitable end. The last true Stones concert (not a show) took place in October 1973.
The last full and true Rolling Stones concert took place in Apostolos Nikolaidis Stadium, Athens, Greece on 17th April 1967.
Additional session musicians onstage and a replacement guitarist is not true stones. ><
Well, then we must go back to 1969.
Those concerts until 69 were for screaming young teen girls and fighting teen boys with too much testosterone.
1969 still has the problem of the missing, kick starting Rolling Stones founding member.
Despite, but also because of the screaming girls and testosterone loaded boys, The Rolling Stones provided exciting, engaging music onstage. Lovely mass sing along on Ruby Tuesday as well during that 1967 tour.
A true live Rolling Stones experience, not one brought about through the aid of gifted, but essentially hired people.
This comment speaks for itself: rancour. Well, deal with it.
"We recognise in others that which we know most deeply within ourselves."
- Robert Fripp
Neither you or I have experienced the true Rolling Stones live in concert. Deal with your denial.
Best post ever.
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Hi,
This is my 1st post on this forum, although I've been following it since the late 90's.
Some recent posts about the guest artists, namely from posters saying how their teenage daughters enjoyed them, made me think about how the latest Stones shows are made as an entertaining all-family events.
Since there are 2-3 generations present among the audience, the Stones want to please all, in some way. So the general fans get the usual show, the teens get their heroes, and the die-hards like many here get Mick Taylor. In the end there's a good mix of entertainment, some good moments, and everybody walks out happy, and for many here, that's the point of the show.
This kind of entertainment reminds me of plastic Hollywood movies we get all the time. You get the romantic part for the girls, you get the funny part, the action and some racy scenes for their boyfriends, in the end it's all a bit superficial, you eat popcorn and come out saying that it was a good time.
The common denominator here for me is the lack of an artistic component. To go on like this now, for the sake of pure entertainment, can only mean that either they consciously discard the importance of a legacy and do what it takes to maintain themselves popular to big masses, or that they were never so much aware of their cultural dimension in the 60s, 70s and early 80s. And I believe this heritage is being affected by these shows with their "diversity", even more than during the 00s shows.
Unlike some fans here, I'm the 1st to admit that since I became a fan (the same late 90s), I'm not so much interested in the band as I used to be. During the latest years I got a lot into jazz music, and Miles Davis became one of my biggest heroes. To give his example, he explored his art until the very end, always looking to innovate, to create, finding his way through the contemporary sounds. Sometimes I find myself thinking what would Miles be doing today in terms of music, if he was still alive. One thing is for sure: He wouldn't be giving concerts just playing his old catalogue, with some American Idol kids (specially white, but that's another story).
I have the deepest respect for true artists, and for the richness they give us through their work. The Stones gave so much, in their own way, that now I feel it's a pity to insist in these "please-all" kind of attitude.
Once in a while people here discuss that those who went to the concerts had a great time, and that's want counts. In the end, this means that ultimately we could a have a "Rolling Stones on Ice" tour. with guests, ballerinas, you name it. It would be really entertaining, for all the family, and I bet that in the end people would say they had a great time. And they could even say every of the 600 bucks was well spent. "Amazing how Mick can ice skate at that age! Let's just be thankful that they are still rolling (sliding)!"
Sorry for the long post. I guess the "Doxarites" are starting to come out. It's the Taylor Swift effect.
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Rock'n'roll has always been entertainment (even in the 60's or the 70's)
Entertainment is art.
The Rolling Stones are the all time greatest artists of rock'n'roll
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Actually I think the sad outcome of all these Vegas years have been that people really start believing that it has always been the same. Just "entertainment", Vegas all the same. I don't think the Stones are the only factors here - it is more like the whole rock culture coming to a mature or senior age - but I think the Stones and their audiences are a prime example of it. But gladly there are people liek Bob Dylan of the old generation who not think alike.
- Doxa
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Actually I think the sad outcome of all these Vegas years have been that people really start believing that it has always been the same. Just "entertainment", Vegas all the same. I don't think the Stones are the only factors here - it is more like the whole rock culture coming to a mature or senior age - but I think the Stones and their audiences are a prime example of it. But gladly there are people liek Bob Dylan of the old generation who not think alike.
- Doxa
But those usually are sooo booooring.
I love Dylan, but the "Vegas" Stones shows are far better then Dylan's "serious" live shows. The same with others
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Part of their greatness is that they never took themselves too seriously - but this is the opposite of some "serious" fans.
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Actually I think the sad outcome of all these Vegas years have been that people really start believing that it has always been the same. Just "entertainment", Vegas all the same. I don't think the Stones are the only factors here - it is more like the whole rock culture coming to a mature or senior age - but I think the Stones and their audiences are a prime example of it. But gladly there are people liek Bob Dylan of the old generation who not think alike.
- Doxa
But those usually are sooo booooring.
I love Dylan, but the "Vegas" Stones shows are far better then Dylan's "serious" live shows. The same with others
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Actually I think the sad outcome of all these Vegas years have been that people really start believing that it has always been the same. Just "entertainment", Vegas all the same. I don't think the Stones are the only factors here - it is more like the whole rock culture coming to a mature or senior age - but I think the Stones and their audiences are a prime example of it. But gladly there are people liek Bob Dylan of the old generation who not think alike.
- Doxa
But those usually are sooo booooring.
I love Dylan, but the "Vegas" Stones shows are far better then Dylan's "serious" live shows. The same with others
You seem to have some kind of issue with this "serious" term. Meaning something like "not easy to stomach, not entertaining, too intellectual, too challenging, too unpreditable" or what?... For me in Dylan shows there is nothing else serious that the guy seems to be serious in what he does, but I find the shows funny, witty, challenging, unpredictable. I guess the term "entertaining" is something I don't usually connect to them. But I guess that's the reason why you prefer the Stones shows over his.
What goes for the "serious" fans, I'd like to hear what's the problem with them? That they have a mind of their own, an ability to judge what they see, and put it in words? And what's a "non-serious fan"?
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Actually I think the sad outcome of all these Vegas years have been that people really start believing that it has always been the same. Just "entertainment", Vegas all the same. I don't think the Stones are the only factors here - it is more like the whole rock culture coming to a mature or senior age - but I think the Stones and their audiences are a prime example of it. But gladly there are people liek Bob Dylan of the old generation who not think alike.
- Doxa
But those usually are sooo booooring.
I love Dylan, but the "Vegas" Stones shows are far better then Dylan's "serious" live shows. The same with others
You seem to have some kind of issue with this "serious" term. Meaning something like "not easy to stomach, not entertaining, too intellectual, too challenging, too unpreditable" or what?... For me in Dylan shows there is nothing else serious that the guy seems to be serious in what he does, but I find the shows funny, witty, challenging, unpredictable. I guess the term "entertaining" is something I don't usually connect to them. But I guess that's the reason why you prefer the Stones shows over his.
What goes for the "serious" fans, I'd like to hear what's the problem with them? That they have a mind of their own, an ability to judge what they see, and put it in words? And what's a "non-serious fan"?
- Doxa
"Serious" fans seem to enjoy nowdays Stones shows very much IMO, but they also cry about the good old days so they are VERY nostalgic in their own way. And that's a little bit boring for me.
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This threat again proves me that even so called long time Rolling Stones fans like DOXA (sorry to name you) and many more just don't get the fact that not only time moves on, but also the music, the culture, our aims our wishes our age and our dreams.
Somehow some of you will never understand that Woodstock turned out to be the biggest Rock and Roll Hype with big money at the end.
And do you believe that the Rolling Stones would have continued and just died of hunger and thirst for the fame to the fans? Very silly.
I still don't get it that some of you here have much better knowledge in English but still never understood/stand the lyrics or the Rolling Stones.
If you do not like the Rolling Stones anymore that is very fine with me, Rock and Roll is a family affair since 30 years already and not just in the last decade.
You seem to dream of times you have never really lived in and you blame your own live to the music which doesn't acknowledge your ongoing as a soundtrack anymore.
Be it.
For me the 50 & Counting is by far better than ABB (which had some highlights) and Licks which also had good nights, but for sure it surpasses BtB and Steel Wheels/Jungle.
The energy of these Musicians and the art of play they still have is by far not to put into words, It is pure magic.
I am happy an thankful that I am able to take the Stones as my Soundtrack during all the decades I lived. Even With my and their ups and downs.
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....but they wouldn't give Charlie Manson a day pass would they ???
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It all begun with the stadium rock. The beginning of the inevitable end. The last true Stones concert (not a show) took place in October 1973.
The last full and true Rolling Stones concert took place in Apostolos Nikolaidis Stadium, Athens, Greece on 17th April 1967.
Additional session musicians onstage and a replacement guitarist is not true stones. ><
Well, then we must go back to 1969.
Those concerts until 69 were for screaming young teen girls and fighting teen boys with too much testosterone.
1969 still has the problem of the missing, kick starting Rolling Stones founding member.
Despite, but also because of the screaming girls and testosterone loaded boys, The Rolling Stones provided exciting, engaging music onstage. Lovely mass sing along on Ruby Tuesday as well during that 1967 tour.
A true live Rolling Stones experience, not one brought about through the aid of gifted, but essentially hired people.
This comment speaks for itself: rancour. Well, deal with it.
"We recognise in others that which we know most deeply within ourselves."
- Robert Fripp
Neither you or I have experienced the true Rolling Stones live in concert. Deal with your denial.
Best post ever.
Not really, but I am not in denial of the fact I haven't seen the true Rolling Stones.
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This threat again proves me that even so called long time Rolling Stones fans like DOXA (sorry to name you) and many more just don't get the fact that not only time moves on, but also the music, the culture, our aims our wishes our age and our dreams.
Somehow some of you will never understand that Woodstock turned out to be the biggest Rock and Roll Hype with big money at the end.
And do you believe that the Rolling Stones would have continued and just died of hunger and thirst for the fame to the fans? Very silly.
I still don't get it that some of you here have much better knowledge in English but still never understood/stand the lyrics or the Rolling Stones.
If you do not like the Rolling Stones anymore that is very fine with me, Rock and Roll is a family affair since 30 years already and not just in the last decade.
You seem to dream of times you have never really lived in and you blame your own live to the music which doesn't acknowledge your ongoing as a soundtrack anymore.
Be it.
For me the 50 & Counting is by far better than ABB (which had some highlights) and Licks which also had good nights, but for sure it surpasses BtB and Steel Wheels/Jungle.
The energy of these Musicians and the art of play they still have is by far not to put into words, It is pure magic.
I am happy an thankful that I am able to take the Stones as my Soundtrack during all the decades I lived. Even With my and their ups and downs.
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If I had the choice to choose to see the 'true' Rolling Stones I would always choose the version of the band that I've seen. To me the best band ever to be on stage. At the brink of the end of an era they still mattered in many ways, that is socially, musically, artistically and culturally.
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the stones are exactly what they were in 1962 and 1969 and 75 and every other year they've ever played.
i hate to break it to some of the folks who thought something more was happening than music but guess what,it wasn't.
i'm sure back in the 1960s it had a real deep meaning to people but it all added up to one thing.and that one thing is the same today-a working band playing music and getting paid.
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the stones are exactly what they were in 1962 and 1969 and 75 and every other year they've ever played.
i hate to break it to some of the folks who thought something more was happening than music but guess what,it wasn't.
i'm sure back in the 1960s it had a real deep meaning to people but it all added up to one thing.and that one thing is the same today-a working band playing music and getting paid.
you're no fun at all
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the stones are exactly what they were in 1962 and 1969 and 75 and every other year they've ever played.
i hate to break it to some of the folks who thought something more was happening than music but guess what,it wasn't.
i'm sure back in the 1960s it had a real deep meaning to people but it all added up to one thing.and that one thing is the same today-a working band playing music and getting paid.
you're no fun at all
He may not be fun, but he is correct.
It is all much more simple than many want to make it.