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24FPS
I like to think that his final days ended in hope. He seemed to be pulling it together away from London and not out and about getting high on everything. He seemed at peace and was looking forward. Maybe he was delusional and would have fallen back into bad habits. It's not like the rock star life of the 70s would have encouraged better behavior. But I like to think he was trying to reach a better place.
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dgodkin
and yes if they had rehabs then as now who knows elvis, jim morrison and others might still be with us
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dgodkin
i didnt mean to say the band was at fault,jones brought it all on himself,but hearing jagger speak about his passing after 40 plus yrs. u can still hear the emotion he feels, and from a guy that rarely shows his feelings i just thought it was highlight of film
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24FPS
I like to think that his final days ended in hope. He seemed to be pulling it together away from London and not out and about getting high on everything. He seemed at peace and was looking forward. Maybe he was delusional and would have fallen back into bad habits. It's not like the rock star life of the 70s would have encouraged better behavior. But I like to think he was trying to reach a better place.
He would have had to reach a modest place--in terms of living quarters, that is. He was already deep in debt at the time of his death--something like over £100,000, and it's likely that he would not be able to afford living on at Cotchford much longer as an ex-Rolling Stone. Losing the place he had so loved to acquire--that might have sent him down a spiral, who knows? Plus the challenge of adjusting to a smaller, less popular degree of success in a new band. He may have embraced the start of something new once he envisioned it, but the reality of his new situation might have been less appealing to cope with once he arrived there. Who knows?
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24FPS
Mick Taylor basically walked away a few years later to save his own life. It was up to Taylor to make a positive thing out of that departure and he was unable to.
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The fact that psychiatry and some forms of rehab existed in the '60s doesn't mean they were regarded as good things.
In those days you'd just as soon try to have a friend imprisoned as attempt to force him/her to go into rehab -
it just wasn't done. It still isn't easy to do today, even with the huge array of support
that's available for users, their families and friends.
It's also vital to bear in mind that people didn't know anything about the risks of drug use.
It was an experimental time, and restrictions on substances were regarded as uptight punitive Establishment ugliness.
The Rolling Stones were young men in their early 20s, riding a wave of incredible velocity
that wasn't going to wait for them or come back again if they took a time-out from their careers.
Right: They didn't do very much to help a colleague who was floundering. They didn't have time, it wasn't their role,
they didn't know how, it was none of their business ... and did Brian want to be helped?
(He did check into one "posh" rehab place at one point, and checked out again almost immediately.)
I bet we all know people with problems that we feel powerless to help, or don't know how to help,
or don't have time to help. It's not our role. We have our own problems. The person doesn't want to be helped.
We shouldn't blame Keith and Mick for not figuring out an effective way to help someone 45 years ago.
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sanQ
True.
I read that members of Elvis' entourage tried to take him to rehab. He got as far as the steps of the place and then went back to the car.
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24FPS
I like to think that his final days ended in hope. He seemed to be pulling it together away from London and not out and about getting high on everything. He seemed at peace and was looking forward. Maybe he was delusional and would have fallen back into bad habits. It's not like the rock star life of the 70s would have encouraged better behavior. But I like to think he was trying to reach a better place.
He would have had to reach a modest place--in terms of living quarters, that is. He was already deep in debt at the time of his death--something like over £100,000, and it's likely that he would not be able to afford living on at Cotchford much longer as an ex-Rolling Stone. Losing the place he had so loved to acquire--that might have sent him down a spiral, who knows? Plus the challenge of adjusting to a smaller, less popular degree of success in a new band. He may have embraced the start of something new once he envisioned it, but the reality of his new situation might have been less appealing to cope with once he arrived there. Who knows?
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Keith did the right thing by " stealing Anita". Of course he paid for hooking up with that train wreck!
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sanQ
True.
I read that members of Elvis' entourage tried to take him to rehab. He got as far as the steps of the place and then went back to the car.
Oh, didn't know that Elvis' entourage even knew Brian let alone took him to rehab!
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24FPS
I like to think that his final days ended in hope. He seemed to be pulling it together away from London and not out and about getting high on everything. He seemed at peace and was looking forward. Maybe he was delusional and would have fallen back into bad habits. It's not like the rock star life of the 70s would have encouraged better behavior. But I like to think he was trying to reach a better place.
He would have had to reach a modest place--in terms of living quarters, that is. He was already deep in debt at the time of his death--something like over £100,000, and it's likely that he would not be able to afford living on at Cotchford much longer as an ex-Rolling Stone. Losing the place he had so loved to acquire--that might have sent him down a spiral, who knows? Plus the challenge of adjusting to a smaller, less popular degree of success in a new band. He may have embraced the start of something new once he envisioned it, but the reality of his new situation might have been less appealing to cope with once he arrived there. Who knows?
But, he was ready to receive that initial 250,000 (pounds/dollars) which would have wiped out his debt plus he was to receive 100,000 yearly (I guess starting in 1970?), so if he played it smart, perhaps at least his money issues would have been solved. He would also have received money for future Stones record sales on records he played on and any new money he would receive for future projects. But you are right about being an ex-Stone and where that road would have taken him...
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24FPS
Mick Taylor basically walked away a few years later to save his own life. It was up to Taylor to make a positive thing out of that departure and he was unable to.
Yes, mainly because he was unable to display his extraordinary guitar skills without the counterparts of his ingenious bandmates in the Rolling Stones. If you listen to the live recordings especially from 1972 and 1973 it is not really Mick Taylor who shines but the entire band worked so perfectly together.
When I saw Mick Taylor in concert around 2002 he still had the same problem. A brilliant guitarist was playing virtually nowhere, and a rather lazy and uninterested band didn't help, really. I do hope that some of the old magic comes back now und the current tour that he is allowed to play more than the occasional song.
Brian Jones probably would have had the same problem had he lived. The recipe for the Rolling Stones' success basically was the band's - often very difficult - chemistry and not the achievements of the individual members.
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sanQ
True.
I read that members of Elvis' entourage tried to take him to rehab. He got as far as the steps of the place and then went back to the car.
Oh, didn't know that Elvis' entourage even knew Brian let alone took him to rehab!