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bye bye johnny
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AlmostHearYouSigh
Over the years I have grown tired of Keith but my sense is fans look more favorable on him than Mick. Why is that? Keith is rock and roll, yeah I get that but his everyman act is oh so tired.
As much as he annoys me I feel a bit sorry for him becasue he is kind of pathetic at this stage. I don't think anyone would ever feel that about Mick. Why is there a feeling to protect Keith? I even think Mick does this.
I suppose if the myth is bigger than the truth print the myth. Anyone ever read the book about the making of Exile A season in Hell? In Keith's mind the whole album was made in his basement. In reality less than half was and it was Mick who completed the album in LA! Yet its a Keith album and the myth of Keith started to grow.....
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Kind of looks like they all posed for separate photos and then photoshopped them together.
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Keith is Keith. Is anybody surprised?
nope. the only time i was suprised was the time on SNL when mick was keith. but that didn't last long.
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stonehearted
<<In 1987, when I asked Jagger about Richards, he said, "I feel . . . I respect him, and I feel a lot of affection for him, and I feel protective. He's the kind of person who, well, he has a certain vulnerability. He's had a lot of hard times. He's had a lot of good times [laughs]. We've had a lot of fun and a lot of heartache together." Today, when I ask him about his present relationship with Richards, Jagger replies, "It's a really good working relationship. Keith seems to be quite focused, and he seems to be enjoying playing.">>
That comparison says it all really about the current post-Life state of the Jagger-Richards (non)relationship, as impersonal as any one might have with their 9-to-5 counterparts, your thoughts of which get switched off during the commute home, to be with people you really want to know, rather than those you are merely thrown together with in the common interest of making a living.
Perhaps it's just as well that they don't record a new album, as it would only be a disjointed, fragmented mish-mash of Jagger and Richards solo efforts.
If they do make a new album, they could call it Wandering Offender, and maybe title the remaining follow-up Talk Is Primitive.
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"Jagger could still do something this startling without either Richards or the Rolling Stones"
... and he's going to. He's dying to work with younger guys = ppl in their 30's.
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rambler44I am a "Keith" guy but you make a great point here and I certainly can't defend him. And he clearly is putting on some silly macho bravado because he is pissed and embarrassed the apology became public.Quote
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I find it astonishing that given that all has transpired in the past couple of years, Keith doesn't have even the remotest sense of self preservation. Forget about feeling bad about or sorry for how he has hurt his friend. Just self preservation from the point of keeping his band together.
I guess though that is consistent with past behaviour. Just goes to show that the instant the band winds it down we're likely getting a second volume of LIFE with all the really 'bad bits'. AFTER LIFE perhaps?
Mick requested an apology? "He did," says Richards, "and I said that I regret if I caused you any, you know, inconvenience or pain, or something. It was . . ." Richards laughs. "I'd say anything to get the band together, you know? I'd lie to my mother."
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Looking back now, is there anything he wishes he hadn't said in print?
"No, no, no, no." Richards laughs again. "I say what I say and that's it. I wouldn't retract a thing, man."
I didn't think my opinion of him could be lower, but it certainly is. He's pissed that it's public that he's apologized so he basically retracts it.
What a moron.
What has struck me about all of this is how apparent it is becoming that Mick was genuinely hurt by Keith's book. Which is something I would not expect from him. In a sense it makes him more likeable and less cold. However, I think there is a lot of hurt that Keith feels too. To me Keith is like the little brother who just wants the love and affection of his big brother and is constantly rebuffed. So he rebels with the Brenda comments and the things in Life. And Mick does go out of his way everytime Keith says they love and fight like brothers to make it clear after 50 years he only works with Keith and has known him a long time. That's really harsh.
The person's perspective on the whole thing that I would like to hear is Charlie's. Both Mick and Keith have tremendous affection for Charlie and he is very close to both of them. I would love to get his take. But as a "Keith" guy I would like to point out that when Mick called Charlie in the middle of the night some years back and told his "drummer boy" to get down here. Charlie got up, got dressed in one of his impeccable suits, came down to where Mick and Keith were, and punched Mick Jagger in the face.
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stonehearted
<<In 1987, when I asked Jagger about Richards, he said, "I feel . . . I respect him, and I feel a lot of affection for him, and I feel protective. He's the kind of person who, well, he has a certain vulnerability. He's had a lot of hard times. He's had a lot of good times [laughs]. We've had a lot of fun and a lot of heartache together." Today, when I ask him about his present relationship with Richards, Jagger replies, "It's a really good working relationship. Keith seems to be quite focused, and he seems to be enjoying playing.">>
That comparison says it all really about the current post-Life state of the Jagger-Richards (non)relationship, as impersonal as any one might have with their 9-to-5 counterparts, your thoughts of which get switched off during the commute home, to be with people you really want to know, rather than those you are merely thrown together with in the common interest of making a living.
Perhaps it's just as well that they don't record a new album, as it would only be a disjointed, fragmented mish-mash of Jagger and Richards solo efforts.
If they do make a new album, they could call it Wandering Offender, and maybe title the remaining follow-up Talk Is Primitive.
Wingless Dogshit in the Doorway anyone?
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stonehearted
<<In 1987, when I asked Jagger about Richards, he said, "I feel . . . I respect him, and I feel a lot of affection for him, and I feel protective. He's the kind of person who, well, he has a certain vulnerability. He's had a lot of hard times. He's had a lot of good times [laughs]. We've had a lot of fun and a lot of heartache together." Today, when I ask him about his present relationship with Richards, Jagger replies, "It's a really good working relationship. Keith seems to be quite focused, and he seems to be enjoying playing.">>
That comparison says it all really about the current post-Life state of the Jagger-Richards (non)relationship, as impersonal as any one might have with their 9-to-5 counterparts, your thoughts of which get switched off during the commute home, to be with people you really want to know, rather than those you are merely thrown together with in the common interest of making a living.
Perhaps it's just as well that they don't record a new album, as it would only be a disjointed, fragmented mish-mash of Jagger and Richards solo efforts.
If they do make a new album, they could call it Wandering Offender, and maybe title the remaining follow-up Talk Is Primitive.
Wingless Dogshit in the Doorway anyone?
Sure. Like Duck Dunn said in the Blues Brothers movie....
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24FPS
Is it really a surprise that Bill couldn't get into it again? When people who really love you have a chance to be reunited with you they bring you in and you just pick up from your last point. He returns to the periphery 20 years later and sees nothing has changed, only gotten colder. No new music of any real merit. A stage show playing 90% of stuff he played on. And the relationship between Jagger and Richards is frostier than ever. And yet the music on stage is transcendent. Go figure.
I respect Bill for not doing it. It takes balls to say no to that kind of money and adulation, but he kept his self respect.
Respect? He got invited and afterwards he was complaining. He could have made up his mind by saying: "two songs, no way". But he didn't and was whining afterwards. Its how Charlie put it, Bill left the band in the wrong moment right before a lot of money came in and he couldn't benefit from his time being in the Stones. Bill knows that and thats one of the reasons he sounds so bitter these days, talking shit about how happy he is. If somebody is really happy with his life he doesn't have to say it to every journalist who is around. To be with the Stones is not very time consuming. He lost a fortune.
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DoomandGloom
Simple psychology at work here. Mick wants Keith to take this tour seriously. He only acknowledges him as a working partner, cutting him few breaks after all Richards could fall apart in any given moment, he has admitted he refuses to get sober. Mick appears to have all the cards, I have little doubt this tour would finish with or without Keith considering Mick Taylor is waiting in the wings. Ronnie however trumps them all, if he were to leave and play with Rod the band would be in turmoil while Keith would party carefree expecting the old Taylor to carry him. The result Ronnie demands he doesn't get shown up by MT and Taylor sits.
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Simple psychology at work here. Mick wants Keith to take this tour seriously. He only acknowledges him as a working partner, cutting him few breaks after all Richards could fall apart in any given moment, he has admitted he refuses to get sober. Mick appears to have all the cards, I have little doubt this tour would finish with or without Keith considering Mick Taylor is waiting in the wings. Ronnie however trumps them all, if he were to leave and play with Rod the band would be in turmoil while Keith would party carefree expecting the old Taylor to carry him. The result Ronnie demands he doesn't get shown up by MT and Taylor sits.
Nice analysis...
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Keith did not admit that he refuses to get sober, he has said he hasn't stopped drinking completely. Having a few drinks a day is much different from being smashed out of your brain all the time.
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latebloomer
Keith did not admit that he refuses to get sober, he has said he hasn't stopped drinking completely. Having a few drinks a day is much different from being smashed out of your brain all the time.
is it much different having a few drinks an hour? i don't want to get into advanced mathematics...but a simple yes/no response would be appreciated.
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latebloomer
Keith did not admit that he refuses to get sober, he has said he hasn't stopped drinking completely. Having a few drinks a day is much different from being smashed out of your brain all the time.
is it much different having a few drinks an hour? i don't want to get into advanced mathematics...but a simple yes/no response would be appreciated.
Yes
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I'm glad you people are all in Mick and Keith's heads and know what they are thinking and feeling!!!
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bye bye johnny
Did the writer bother to ask them if they had any plans to do a new album after the tour? If not then he should be either fired or demoted.
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24FPS
I've never quite understood why Mick is seen as so unlikeable by so many people. He seems to have carried the burden of being the adult in the band for many years. From dealing with Brian and Klein and then Keith, and trying to navigate the ship to firm financial ground. People give Mick a lot of crap and I don't understand it. Is it because the authority figure is hard to love? Mick did drugs, Mick carried on, but he could never afford to take it as far as Brian or Keith. Except for maybe a little coke excess in the 70s, which he got under control, Mick has always performed well. Keith had kind of a rough stretch of guitar playing in the mid-70s, probably due to heroin.
This f#$*ers are 70, for christ's sake. I'm still hearing a lot of immaturity in their statements. And they're only going to get grumpier! Ahhhh!!!
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bye bye johnny
Did the writer bother to ask them if they had any plans to do a new album after the tour? If not then he should be either fired or demoted.
Or he has an incredible overwhelming sense of the obvious, and for that reason didn't bother.
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I'm glad you people are all in Mick and Keith's heads and know what they are thinking and feeling!!!
Thank you, Slew! I was thinking the exact same thing. People are just making assumptions but can't have a single clue what the Stones think, feel or want.
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JumpinJackOLantern
This marriage between Mick and Keith has been on the rocks for decades and looks like it's finally headed for divorce. The kids (us fans) are the ones that will be most hurt by it. But, life will go on, and there is always the sons of the Beatles to look forward to - sometime in the next five years.
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This marriage between Mick and Keith has been on the rocks for decades and looks like it's finally headed for divorce. The kids (us fans) are the ones that will be most hurt by it. But, life will go on, and there is always the sons of the Beatles to look forward to - sometime in the next five years.
It remains a marriage of convenience--for us kids, of course.
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JumpinJackOLantern
This marriage between Mick and Keith has been on the rocks for decades and looks like it's finally headed for divorce. The kids (us fans) are the ones that will be most hurt by it. But, life will go on, and there is always the sons of the Beatles to look forward to - sometime in the next five years.
It remains a marriage of convenience--for us kids, of course.
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JumpinJackOLantern
This marriage between Mick and Keith has been on the rocks for decades and looks like it's finally headed for divorce. The kids (us fans) are the ones that will be most hurt by it. But, life will go on, and there is always the sons of the Beatles to look forward to - sometime in the next five years.
It remains a marriage of convenience--for us kids, of course.
And for millions and millions of dollars.