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Blue
the Beatles were very innovative, but forgot to include great melodies, riffs...starting with Revolver..The Stones always have, even up to their new song "One More Shot"..they are and were masters at it.
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tomk
Odd, too, that Brian Wilson mentions Rubber Soul as his motivation to make Pet Sounds.
I wonder which version he was referring to. The American version is WAY different than the British version.
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Blue
the Beatles were very innovative, but forgot to include great melodies, riffs...starting with Revolver..The Stones always have, even up to their new song "One More Shot"..they are and were masters at it.
I'm a Stones fan but I can't agree that "one more shot" is better than Revolver.
The songs on Revolver are really well constructed and are groundbreaking lyrically - when had anyone ever sung about floating upstream on LSD and knowing what its like to be dead before? Then you have the mindblowing backwards guitar solos and the pioneering use of elements of indian music. The Beatles had managed to produce music that was trailblazing and experimental whilst remaining catchy and accessible and by and large avoiding the self indulgence of most avant-garde music. This was and is a stunning achievement.
I think the guitar motif in "and your bird can sing" is terrific. "Taxman" also features another memorable guitar riff. The string motif on "Eleanor Rigby" is also memorable. The macabre style of the piece was also very different to the Pop music norm.
"Tomorrow Never Knows" uses tape loops and sound effects as riffs very imaginatively and ends up sounding like music from another universe.
"Here, There and Everywhere" might be a bit soppy but it is a very pretty melody.
Then there is that really mad chord in "I want to tell you".
Aftermath is a good record but Revolver is better.
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slew
Blue - I don't know if I can agree with you. Revolver was so groundbreaking as was Pepper. Aftermath is a grat album as well but I don't think the Stones had caught the Beatles in 1966. In 1968 maybe but not in 1966. The Whote Album as its referred to is Overated that to me is the only Beatle record that has a LOT of filler. Julia, Rocky Racoon, Why Don't We DO It In the Road and most of the secon LP are not all that good. I think Beggar's Banquet is a superior album to e White Album. However Hey Jude/Revolution certainly still proved the Beatles could come up with hit songs. Jumping Jack Flash/Child of the Moon though I like those better probably can not be regarded as good a single as Hey Jude. The White Album though I have never understood why its in such high standing and it has the single biggest piece of trash ever released by a top band in Revolution 9 why anyone would call that good is beyond me. Only the Beatles could get away with that. That is pure gibberish!!
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slew
Blue - I too will take Paint it Black and Under My Thumb over anything on Revolver. Overall I think Revolver is a better album but not those two songs
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tomk
Revolver's rise to the top of "best ever" albums only came after the English version on CD was issued. When I was growing up, no one (even in the rock press) ever mentioned Revolver as being the greatest album ever. The American vinyl version is missing 3 key Lennon songs. Aftermath is kind of the same, as the running order is different and a few songs are missing.
McCartney rarely mentions Revolver in any interview (though he did put 3 Revolver songs on Broad Street), George preferred Rubber Soul, and I've never heard/read an interview where John mentions Revolver at all.
Odd, too, that Brian Wilson mentions Rubber Soul as his motivation to make Pet Sounds.
I wonder which version he was referring to. The American version is WAY different than the British version.
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slew
Blue - I too will take Paint it Black and Under My Thumb over anything on Revolver. Overall I think Revolver is a better album but not those two songs
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Big Al
I will add, however, tracks like Under My Thumb stand up to anything The Beatles ever laid-down on the long-player.
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treaclefingers
And Paint it, Black in particular.
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treaclefingers
And Paint it, Black in particular.
Well, of course. The Stones moments of mid-60's greatness were on par with Beatles. It's just that Lennon and McCarthey were more consistent in their quality of songwriting from the beginning. It took Mick and Keith a little longer to develop. By the time of Jumpin' Jack Flash and Beggars Banquet, they had caught up. There are times when I would take Beggars Banquet over The Beatles (White Album). As much as I enjoy Abbey Road, Let It Bleed is miles better.
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treaclefingers
And Paint it, Black in particular.
Well, of course. The Stones moments of mid-60's greatness were on par with Beatles. It's just that Lennon and McCarthey were more consistent in their quality of songwriting from the beginning. It took Mick and Keith a little longer to develop. By the time of Jumpin' Jack Flash and Beggars Banquet, they had caught up. There are times when I would take Beggars Banquet over The Beatles (White Album). As much as I enjoy Abbey Road, Let It Bleed is miles better.
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DandelionPowderman
I will always do that. The White Album is a mess, although there are a few gems in there.
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FrankM
When you actually listen to Sgt. Peppers/Revolver and compare them to Sticky Fingers/Exile or Who's Next/Tommy song for song they're not any better imo. The Beatles albums were a little more mainstream and more popular amongst the masses but not superior.