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fiftyamp
You carry a piece to a show, you're looking for trouble. And he found it. Better him dead than one of the boys.
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baxlap
And Meredith Hunter would have lived and gone on to become a world-leading physicist who reinvented the wheel and built a better mousetrap.
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SomeTorontoGirl
That was an interesting read - thanks Edith.
Also, it doesn't mention something that I've read several times regarding Altamont, namely that the HA's seemed particularly concerned about anyone touching their bikes, which they lined up near or across the front of the stage, and they have been reported to have beaten the bejeezus out of anyone who went near them. I'm sure they were taken by surprise at by the events of the day, but I think they were maybe enjoying their role a bit, too.
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melillo
and btw , crosby stills nash and young did not go on right before the stones , it was hours before the stones came on, thats why the dead left such a gap, and lets face it, they didnt have to stab him 28 times, the angels were badgering hunter all day because he was with a white women, the angels started screwing with him , thats why he took out the gun, and yes i agree he should not have had a gun with him and he was not an alter boy either but cmon man, 28 times, thats a disgrace
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fiftyamp
You carry a piece to a show, you're looking for trouble. And he found it. Better him dead than one of the boys.
No,better nobody dead.
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mickschix
I understand the mounting frustration on the part of fans, I've been at that point myself but it is STILL no excuse for that type of violence, sorry, and to blame the Stones for ALL OF IT is not really fair. Mick has said 1 million times that in hindsight, the hiring of the CALIFORNIA Hell's Angels was a mistake; he had knowledge of the British Hells Angels and apparently that group is not at all known for viloence!
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tramp66646
A lot of people besides just gangster types carry gun's. Many practically every time they leave their homes, so who know's why this guy had one with him on this particular day? Seem's it shouldn't have been too hard to have found out at the time if he was somehow involved with anything slightly underground or just a kid with an attitude or what? Nobody ever seem's to have bothered to find out much about him.
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tramp66646
Is this an American thing? Coming from the English side of the Pond, I have to say I don't think there is any acceptable explanation for a civilian to carry a gun, loaded or unloaded, and it would be regarded as highly unusual, not to mention dangerous and criminal, behaviour today much less in the 60's to be brandishing a weapon at a rock concert.
I'm with you, Lady Jayne.
I happen to be American, and I'm disgusted with the gun culture over here.
The laws may vary from state to state, but apparently where I live, one does not even have to be able to read and write to purchase a gun.
I once spoke with a pawn shop manager who told me it is not unusual for her to have to fill out an application for a person wanting to buy a gun.
I would very much like to see the minimum standards ramped WAY up, and the waiting periods extended much longer for anyone who thinks he/she needs a gun, especially a handgun.
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melillo
ya know if the dead would have played theyre set instead of chicken shitting maybe things would not have turned out as bad
WTF??
If that ignorant SOB had not drawn a concealed firearm there may not have been a killing regardless of what band was playing.
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jp eddie
At the onset, that day's events seemed to be destined for a very peaceful experience. But, as the crowd inevitably wanted to converge onto the 'low' stage, tensions between the stage crew, the crowd, and ultimately the 'Angels' grew and eventually ran amuck leading to this very tragic moment in history.
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Mathijs
I thought from the court case it was clear that the gun wasn't loaded, but as the angel could not know this, stabbing Hunter 28 times is self defense.
Mathijs
Is this a fact? Was Hunter stabbed 28 times?
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Edith Grove
No sssoul , I understand your post, and the last thing I want is a confrontation with anyone on this board.
My rant was a result of frustration, not just for the Hunter case, but for a general feeling of sympathy that (I believe) too many people have for the perpetrators of violent crimes.
It seems to me that personal accountability is going out the window as time goes by.
In the Hunter case, the killing would not have happened if there had been a better atmosphere at Altamont, but that is not to say that Hunter is not responsible for his death.
Hunter had a choice, and he made the wrong choice. If he did not like what was going on at Altamont, he could have gone home like I'm guessing many others did that day.
There is no excuse for what he did (brandishing a concealed firearm) and anyone around him deserved to defend themselves with deadly force if need be.
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angee
From my reading of events leading up to the death, the Angels were acting beligerently well before that, riding through the middle of the crowd up to the stage. and, I think, there is evidence that the Angels were performing more than routine security duties.
Not to mention the fact that the Angels beat Marty Balin (Jefferson Airplane) into unconsciousness which is, as I understand, why the Grateful Dead refused to play. In hindsight, Keith Richards was lucky he didn't get done over.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2008-03-10 11:20 by terraplane.