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OT: Herman's Hermits
Posted by: tipps ()
Date: September 1, 2012 10:04

Anyone remember this outstanding 60's group. They had so many hit singles
on the charts, wonder if they beat out the Beatles or The Dave Clark 5.

Re: OT: Herman's Hermits
Posted by: 1StonesRecluse ()
Date: September 1, 2012 11:09

Herman's Hermitsthumbs up

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Re: OT: Herman's Hermits
Posted by: tomcasagranda ()
Date: September 1, 2012 13:26

Will it be Freddie & The Dreamers next, or Marmalade ?

Re: OT: Herman's Hermits
Posted by: latebloomer ()
Date: September 1, 2012 13:52

Tipps, you beat me to it! I was just listening to Herman's Hermits last night and thinking of posting some videos. Loved them when I was a kid, they were one of the first bands I got into. I had a little girl crush on Peter Noone, I think me and my older sister even had a poster of him. Really fun pop music, that brings back happy memories. Check out this one, they were just too darn cute and the girls in the back crack me up.smiling smiley




Re: OT: Herman's Hermits
Posted by: mark666 ()
Date: September 1, 2012 13:54

I liked a lot of Herman's stuff. I believe in 1964 they did out sell 'The Beatles', as did 'The Monkees' in 67. 'Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick & Tich' were another very good 60's band imo with some good rockers like 'Hold Tight'.

Re: OT: Herman's Hermits
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: September 1, 2012 14:34

no milk taday .....



ROCKMAN

Re: OT: Herman's Hermits
Posted by: loog droog ()
Date: September 1, 2012 15:04

As this British Invasion music approaches it's 50th anniversary, it all seems farther and farther away.

Herman's Hermits are regarded as a joke now (used as a punch line in The Doors movie when cited as the group they should emulate in order to get signed) but they were indeed HUGE back in the day. And even then they were lightweights (Mick and Keith's reaction to their name when standing behind Ed Sullivan as he mentions that they will appear on the next week's show ). But Peter Noone AKA "Herman" was only 15 or 16 in their heyday, and maybe it's just nostalgia, but I like their music.

This song has fallen through the tracks, but it got substantial airplay. I remember being at a friends song and his older brother singing it. Somehow the simple humanity of it still rings true, and I enjoy and appreciate the song's melodic sincerity.




Re: OT: Herman's Hermits
Posted by: Green Lady ()
Date: September 1, 2012 15:51

It was a bit of a joke as far as British audiences were concerned to see some of the very lightweight groups that were idolised in the States on a level with the Beatles and the Stones - anything with a British accent sold, and this proved it. Herman's Hermits certainly came into this group, and so did the Dave Clark Five. Not that they weren't popular in the UK, but they weren't thought of as classy acts like the Beatles/Stones/Who/Kinks. It still comes as a surprise to hear how highly thought of they were across the pond.

Re: OT: Herman's Hermits
Posted by: Come On ()
Date: September 1, 2012 15:58

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tipps
Anyone remember this outstanding 60's group. They had so many hit singles
on the charts, wonder if they beat out the Beatles or The Dave Clark 5.

Outstanding! Are you maybe a member of the band?

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Re: OT: Herman's Hermits
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: September 1, 2012 16:03

The Herman & Hermits British Invasion is a good watch ....

There's a funny bit near the end where Noone tells how Keith
took him aside and told him something like if he ever did drugs he'd go tell his his mum on him



ROCKMAN

Re: OT: Herman's Hermits
Posted by: nightskyman ()
Date: September 1, 2012 16:18

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latebloomer
Tipps, you beat me to it! I was just listening to Herman's Hermits last night and thinking of posting some videos. Loved them when I was a kid, they were one of the first bands I got into. I had a little girl crush on Peter Noone, I think me and my older sister even had a poster of him. Really fun pop music, that brings back happy memories. Check out this one, they were just too darn cute and the girls in the back crack me up.smiling smiley



The players (except for the drummer) all look bored. Peter Noone was the only real factor in this 'band.'

Re: OT: Herman's Hermits
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: September 1, 2012 16:21

What is the advantage of watching the 60's (or any day) only from the point of view of history, and not being there in the first place, is that of being able to pick up the good stuff and leave the crap aside. My personal exprerience is that even not liking certain music in one's teenager age, you still needed to live 'within' it, breathe it, and it would somehow constitute the soundtrack of one's life, and follow you the rest of your life, even if you don't want to.. And afterwards, decades later, when there is no passion any more involved, the whole era is just nostalgia, and some things you once hate from the deep of your heart, you might even symphatize now.... This is especially true of 'light-hearted' pop. Listening to most of pop of the 80's - the eighties, that is - most be horrible for anyone who not a teenager then, but kinda funny to me now (who hated it so much then). But then listening to total corny crap like Herman Hermits, and seeing anything valuable there, goes beyond my grasp, but I can understand that the people who were young then, and heard that stuff in radio and television, might feel there something positively 'nostalgic' (to have liked it or not in the first place).

- Doxa



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Re: OT: Herman's Hermits
Posted by: tatters ()
Date: September 1, 2012 16:33

Quote
tipps
Anyone remember this outstanding 60's group. They had so many hit singles
on the charts, wonder if they beat out the Beatles or The Dave Clark 5.

Oh, yeah. Way more hits than the Beatles eye rolling smiley

Re: OT: Herman's Hermits
Posted by: Green Lady ()
Date: September 1, 2012 16:34

Yes - I sound so grumpy and dismissive in my previous post, but my teenage self enjoyed Herman's Hermits and Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich. Nothing wrong with cheerful lightweight pop - especially when you're 15.

Re: OT: Herman's Hermits
Posted by: TheDailyBuzzherd ()
Date: September 1, 2012 17:03

The Hermits were too twee for me, but I like a handful of tunes,
"Listen People" and "There's a Kind of Hush" in particular.

Because I don't own an LP and the anemic state of US radio programming,
I'll never hear the deeper cuts. Every once in a blue moon, I'll catch
"No Milk Today". Kinda randy, that song, right?

I can see Keith doing that, kinda like one of the shoppies in high school
to one of the straights, LoL.

Green Lady, BiNGO. 'cept that Dave Clark had more cred. Odd band, that -
never really evolved, ala The Tremeloes.

How did Noone fall out with the rest and keep the name?

Re: OT: Herman's Hermits
Posted by: 2000 LYFH ()
Date: September 1, 2012 17:20

Quote
Green Lady
It was a bit of a joke as far as British audiences were concerned to see some of the very lightweight groups that were idolised in the States on a level with the Beatles and the Stones - anything with a British accent sold, and this proved it. Herman's Hermits certainly came into this group, and so did the Dave Clark Five. Not that they weren't popular in the UK, but they weren't thought of as classy acts like the Beatles/Stones/Who/Kinks. It still comes as a surprise to hear how highly thought of they were across the pond.

So sound so grumpy and dismissive!winking smiley

Re: OT: Herman's Hermits
Posted by: schillid ()
Date: September 1, 2012 17:26

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Re: OT: Herman's Hermits
Posted by: latebloomer ()
Date: September 1, 2012 17:30

I think saying they were highly thought of is not quite accurate. I don't think anyone who is seriously into music ever thought they were great and I don't think they are either. But that doesn't mean I don't enjoy listening to them once in a blue moon for fun. They came along at the right time in America and appealed to a young, relatively innocent audience. I count myself in that group, so yes, Doxa is right, it is all about nostalgia, but we all succumb to that now and then. I liked the Dave Clark too.

Re: OT: Herman's Hermits
Posted by: Phil Good ()
Date: September 1, 2012 17:45

I remember Mick Jagger doin' a speech on a 'Rolling Stone Magazine' event.
Must have been an anniversary I think.
Anyway, I remember him saying "... glad they didn't call the magazine 'The Herman's Hermits Monthly'. LOL

Re: OT: Herman's Hermits
Posted by: GypsyRollnStone ()
Date: September 1, 2012 17:47

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Herman's Hermitsthumbs up

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Re: OT: Herman's Hermits
Posted by: KeefintheNight82 ()
Date: September 1, 2012 17:47

I read that Herman's Hermits were actually the reverse of the Monkees.

By that I mean that they were a real band that could play but the name and music were all products of a strict manager and producer. The real musicians in the band were forced to sit aside while they brought in studio musicians to record all of the music. Only Noone recorded withe the session musicians. And the material he sang was strictly controled.

The real band was forced to learn these songs and play them live and pose for pictures.

No wonder if the band resented this.


On a side note, anyone ever heard Noone's late 70s early 80s band 'The Tremblers'? I quite like putting their first album on once in awhile.

Re: OT: Herman's Hermits
Posted by: schillid ()
Date: September 1, 2012 17:49

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Re: OT: Herman's Hermits
Date: September 1, 2012 17:50

I saw the remnants of Herman's Hermits two nights ago here in Toronto where they (and Paul Revere and the Raiders) were playing at the CNE (Canadian National Exhibition). Peter Noone was with them and they were pretty good. Only problem was that both groups yakked it up while on stage, telling stories and jokes. That was done because if they'd each gone out and just played their hits, the shows would be over in just a few moments. Still, they were fun to watch and listen to. The bands were tight.

Re: OT: Herman's Hermits
Posted by: 2000 LYFH ()
Date: September 1, 2012 18:05

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Richard from Canada
I saw the remnants of Herman's Hermits two nights ago here in Toronto where they (and Paul Revere and the Raiders) were playing at the CNE (Canadian National Exhibition). Peter Noone was with them and they were pretty good. Only problem was that both groups yakked it up while on stage, telling stories and jokes. That was done because if they'd each gone out and just played their hits, the shows would be over in just a few moments. Still, they were fun to watch and listen to. The bands were tight.

Wow perfect timing. Glad you saw them. I worked at the CNE in 1977 and remember seeing Rush and Heart there. Also remember seeing Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys signing copies of his book. Actually did the whole Canadian tour with the Carnival circuit (5 or 6 stops). Good times...

Re: OT: Herman's Hermits
Posted by: 1StonesRecluse ()
Date: September 1, 2012 18:06

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Herman's Hermitsthumbs up

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Gypsys don't make good Hermits they move around to much.hot smiley

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Re: OT: Herman's Hermits
Posted by: 24FPS ()
Date: September 1, 2012 20:14

Quote
Rockman
The Herman & Hermits British Invasion is a good watch ....


That's the DVD I would recommend. You get an entirely different perspective on the group. The Gerry & the Pacemakers DVD was totally devoid of any Pacemakers. It's like Gerry did all those songs on his own. But all the living Hermits were interviewed and they were quite proficient musicians. They made a conscious marketplace decision to make the kind of music they did. Their Producer, the legendary Micky Most, believed a 3-minute single should take you on a little mental vacation. You can argue the vapidity of their music, or it's target age range, but you can't argue with the popular and financial results.

They lasted long past most flash in the pan British Invasion Acts. (1963-1971). If nothing else their songs are excellent examples of the golden age of pop singles in the 60s. And they did have a few above average cuts, using some above average writers, Ray Davies for Dandy and Graham Gouldman for No Milk Today. It's not true that the Hermits did not do any session work on their songs, especially the earlier ones. But it was Mickey Most's policy to use studio musicians, of whom Jimmy Page was one. Mickey Most is reported to have even insisted on studio musicians for Yardbirds records (excepting Page).

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Re: OT: Herman's Hermits
Posted by: loog droog ()
Date: September 1, 2012 20:21

Herman's Hermits didn't exactly "last" until 1971. That might have been the year they broke up, but they going out in 1967 and completely done by '68.

And I like them.

Re: OT: Herman's Hermits
Posted by: stonesrule ()
Date: September 1, 2012 20:43

Peter Noone was still making music in 1980. Met him at a radio station on the east coast. Likable cat.

Re: OT: Herman's Hermits
Posted by: crawdaddy ()
Date: September 1, 2012 21:10

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Green Lady
It was a bit of a joke as far as British audiences were concerned to see some of the very lightweight groups that were idolised in the States on a level with the Beatles and the Stones - anything with a British accent sold, and this proved it. Herman's Hermits certainly came into this group, and so did the Dave Clark Five. Not that they weren't popular in the UK, but they weren't thought of as classy acts like the Beatles/Stones/Who/Kinks. It still comes as a surprise to hear how highly thought of they were across the pond.

Completely agree with you Green Lady.Those 4 for me were the top acts for us teenagers in the '60's.Plenty of others including Small Faces,Animals,Yardbirds,Manfred Man ,all the Merseybeat groups and a whole lot more.So many of them did well in North America as well as Europe and the rest of the world.Great times for U.K. music.

Re: OT: Herman's Hermits
Posted by: 2000 LYFH ()
Date: September 1, 2012 21:32

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crawdaddy
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Green Lady
It was a bit of a joke as far as British audiences were concerned to see some of the very lightweight groups that were idolised in the States on a level with the Beatles and the Stones - anything with a British accent sold, and this proved it. Herman's Hermits certainly came into this group, and so did the Dave Clark Five. Not that they weren't popular in the UK, but they weren't thought of as classy acts like the Beatles/Stones/Who/Kinks. It still comes as a surprise to hear how highly thought of they were across the pond.

Completely agree with you Green Lady.Those 4 for me were the top acts for us teenagers in the '60's.Plenty of others including Small Faces,Animals,Yardbirds,Manfred Man ,all the Merseybeat groups and a whole lot more.So many of them did well in North America as well as Europe and the rest of the world.Great times for U.K. music.

Here in the US between 1963 and 1966, it was pretty much AM radio and what the top 10 hits were. So Beatles, Stones and Animals along with the so called lightweight groups were all on top of the charts then. For kids between the ages of 8 and 16, there were real no difference between them. It really started to change by 1967/68 though. We all loved the British Invasion and to this day is looked back fondly.

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